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Post by allergygal on Jun 25, 2009 3:09:49 GMT -5
Talk about The Sarah Connor Chronicles Pilot episode here.
Have you rewatched the Pilot yet? Well what are you waiting for? Watch it this evening then post your thoughts. Unlike the original episode threads, discussion in these rewatch threads is allowed to pull from what we know happens later.
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Post by allergygal on Jul 1, 2009 17:50:16 GMT -5
As we went through this series originally, I got into the idea that, while Cameron's there to protect John, she has an alternate agenda regarding Sarah. I also got into the idea that she comes from a future where John is dead and she sent herself back to alter his course and prevent it from happening. No matter what theories I've cooked up about her, though, she has largely remained a mystery to me. So as many times as I've seen this episode, I don't think I ever watched it with quite the same approach. This time, I was really looking for hints about Cameron because I believe she's the key to the whole story. Whatever her real mission is, I firmly believe, she's been manipulating Sarah and John since day one and we've been getting hints of it the entire time. I'm hoping this rewatch will help me figure it out.
She was clearly there to protect John and maybe she was also there to get him to the point of time jumping in Born to Run. But I am feeling more certain that part of Cameron's agenda involves Sarah.
Cameron to John: What about your mom? What does she do? Could be chit-chat, but since when do kids in high school break the ice by asking about each other's parents? I've always found that a little odd and am wondering if Cameron asking about his father first was just a way to ask about Sarah without seeming suspicious.
Cameron to Sarah: I was sent here to protect John— There's nothing unusual about that except that Sarah conveniently cuts her off. She may have had more to say about her mission.
Cameron to Sarah: They would have found you anyway. Finding Sarah generally means finding John, so that's probably all she meant by that. There's a possibility, though, that Cameron could've meant other machines would be coming for Sarah.
Sarah: We're not going across the border. Cameron: Where are we going? Sarah: To find Skynet. There's that slight smile Cameron makes when Sarah says that, as if she's either pleasantly surprised or pleased that things are working out exactly as they're supposed to.
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Post by gothamite66 on Jul 1, 2009 18:32:58 GMT -5
I always been puzzled about Cameron's true mission and I firmly believe part of her mission has always been to manipulate Sarah. Cameron is just so good at planting seeds in Sarah's mind. To what ends though, I am unsure.
I do think that little glimmer of a smile she shows when Sarah announces they're going to look for Skynet is Cameron pleased things are working out as planned.
This may be a wild and crazy thought but sometimes I find myself thinking that Sarah didn't die of cancer but in fact survived JD and that she sent Cameron back in time to manipulate herself and John. It's a crazy theory but still sometimes...
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Post by allergygal on Jul 1, 2009 19:31:02 GMT -5
This may be a wild and crazy thought but sometimes I find myself thinking that Sarah didn't die of cancer but in fact survived JD and that she sent Cameron back in time to manipulate herself and John. It's a crazy theory but still sometimes... I was actually contemplating the same thing when I was watching the Pilot. I think maybe k8ie suggested it to me once, but I was skeptical because I couldn't imagine Sarah trusting a machine enough to do that. I'm now thinking it's a very real possibility. Cameron never says she was sent by John, which could've been an oversight, but it could also very well mean that someone other than John sent her. I'd say the main strike against the idea of it being Sarah is that Cameron said she was looking for them for 73 days. I'd think Sarah would've remembered where they were at that point in time. So I think the "73 days" comment lends itself more to the idea that Cam sent herself back, or maybe even someone else close with John (or Sarah) in the future who maybe didn't know their exact whereabouts in 1999, but knew the state or the city. I really want to know who sent her back. I think that's a major piece of info for unlocking the whole story.
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Post by gothamite66 on Jul 1, 2009 20:07:10 GMT -5
Cameron never says she was sent by John, which could've been an oversight, but it could also very well mean that someone other than John sent her. I'd say the main strike against the idea of it being Sarah is that Cameron said she was looking for them for 73 days. I'd think Sarah would've remembered where they were at that point in time. So I think the "73 days" comment lends itself more to the idea that Cam sent herself back, or maybe even someone else close with John (or Sarah) in the future who maybe didn't know their exact whereabouts in 1999, but knew the state or the city. True, but when has Cameron ever told the whole truth. The 73 days could have been a fabrication. If Sarah did send Cameron back she would be trying to remember details from thirty years in the past. It's not too much of a stretch to think she could have been a little off on the dates considering that she would have spent the past 20+ years surviving JD and fighting Skynet. All that going on makes me believe it's possible she just gave an approx. date when they arrived in NM. or Cameron could have been telling the truth about being in the past for 73 days but not telling the truth about looking for them for 73 days. Maybe she was doing other stuff first. Cameron was able to hook up with John @ school and enroll in the right classes pretty quickly for someone who had just spent the 73 days looking for the Connors.
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Post by schmacky on Jul 1, 2009 20:42:24 GMT -5
Cameron could have been telling the truth about being in the past for 73 days but not telling the truth about looking for them for 73 days. Maybe she was doing other stuff first. Cameron was able to hook up with John @ school and enroll in the right classes pretty quickly for someone who had just spent the 73 days looking for the Connors. Just as quickly as Cromartie was able to get to the school and become a "sub" for John's class. I think Cameron really was looking for them for 73 days. No reason to lie about that and make it up. Both Cameron and Cromartie were looking for him but didn't get any lead until Charley went to the police and Ellison updated Sarah's profile with the new Reese alias. Right at the beginning, it makes you wonder if John sent her back. Because really, why would she be looking for him for 73 days (again, I don't think she'd lie about it) if he sent her back? Maybe a week or so, but 73 days... really? I don't know, just seems weird. Not sure about Sarah sending her back. I don't see why Sarah would put herself through all that. Why wouldn't Cameron tell Sarah she sent her back?
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Post by Alexis on Jul 1, 2009 21:51:31 GMT -5
Very interesting ideas. As obvious as it may sound since you know my position, I totally agree with Allergygal regarding Cameron being the key to the whole story. I agree that the character has a secret-alternate agenda, but I believe that that secret-alternate agenda only includes manipulating Sarah in order to keep her under control given that she is pretty unstable/volatile. Nevertheless, I think the main part of her agenda, as we were discussing many times with TerrasJ in the live chats, might be training John for the things to come. And with "for the things to come" I mean Cameron's phrase in Samson & Dalilah: "You can't be trusted anymore... You risked your life to save me... That's a very dangerous thing to do... That could upset people" Taking into account the afore said, my theory is that Cameron already knew about Jesse's faction and she was expecting some rogue Resistance fighter to show up and try to do something to change their future relationship. All of which might confirm Allergygal's theory on Cameron sending herself back, presumably, acknowledging not only that a T-888 was sent back to kill him but also knowing about that Resistance faction (which could give that phrase a whole new dimension of meaning) and even perhaps knowing [consenting and deliverately hiding the info] about the presence of Weaver in the present. Last but not least, I agree there are hints that suggest Cameron is maybe "manipulating" John by [mainly] hiding some very important information about the future and their relationship in the future, which she seems to reveal little by little when the circumstances demand it. An example: [Pilot]John: "Like some hot girl is really gonna try and make friends with the new weird kid... If I've thought about that, I would have known that something was messed up, you know..." Cameron [showing empathy?!]: "In the future you have many friends." I think she said that [and didn't say a lot of other important things] in order to preserve his psychological integrity, just because this John in "not yet" future!John whose orders she is supposedly following (as she told Sarah in Gnothi Seauton). [Vick's Chip]John: "You lie to me?" Cameron: "Sometimes... When the mission requires it." .
But when the circumstances changed and she needed to keep him away from a real threat (Riley), she said:
[Mr. Ferguson Is Ill Today]
Cameron: "I understand that being John Connor can be lonely."
Which was also a sign of some kind of robotic empathy but also a clear attempt of manipulating John's feelings for her that resulted in an absolutely counterproductive reaction [and I think that's precisely why she avoided to talk directly about the nature of their future relationship, which we can agree that would be something really disturbing to hear for a teenager boy's mind - Not to mention for his mom ;D
Well, that's all by now. More thoughts later.
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EDIT: Just a couple of typos.
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Post by thenarrator on Jul 1, 2009 23:30:54 GMT -5
This was my first time rewatching the pilot in quite a while.
I watched it again on DVD with a friend who hadn't seen the series or any ads for it before. He's the first person I've ever seen who was surprised that Cameron was a Terminator.
I still think the original, unreleased pilot (the one I downloaded off the internet long before the series aired) had a better ending, with the crew preparing weapons and stashing another shotgun in the wall instead of just walking into the house.
Some people have questioned where Sarah got the house after the timejump, but it was established back in T2 that Sarah has caches or equipment all over. Any I.D.s she had cached, however, would be worthless: expired, outdated and the wrong ages. Hence the need for new ones.
I didn't really catch this before, but after the timejump, while they remembered the scar from where Sarah was impaled by the T-1000, they completely forgot the bullet wound in her shoulder that she just got a couple days ago.
(For that matter, a 5.56mm NATO round to the shoulder is a much bigger deal than they're making it out to be. But that's the classic myth in fiction that shoulder wounds are nothing serious, rather than shattering a bunch of bones and possibly severing a massive artery.)
There's more to say, no doubt, but I've got to get to work, so it'll have to wait....
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Post by workworkwork on Jul 1, 2009 23:32:58 GMT -5
The problem with interpreting what Cameron says is that we not only know that she occasionally lies but when she lies, she lies extremely well. By virtue of being a machine she has absolutely no 'tells' that indicate whether she's telling the truth or not. This is one of the things that makes Cameron such an intriguing character and the writers made a very interesting artistic choice by having her lie. (My pet theory is that Terminators by their very nature will always tell the literal truth, except if it would interfere with their mission.)
As for the phrase "In the future you have many friends" I actually don't think Cameron was lying (at least by her own standards). I don't think Cameron doesn't have a good handle on just what a friend is. She seems to try and suss out human behavior and attitudes as much through observation and context as she does by direct questioning.
Anyway, topic - I really liked this episode. I think Dekker does a good job portraying a young boy who has this world of responsibility shoved onto his shoulders way too soon (or is it not soon enough?) Lena Headey gives a good sense of a woman who has spent her adult life struggling to hold herself together emotionally and mentally and in the opening sequence you can see that she realizes she's been too relaxed, too comfortable for too long. I enjoyed watching both Sarah and John start to get back into their old outlaw ways, reluctant though they both were to do so.
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Post by Alexis on Jul 1, 2009 23:56:45 GMT -5
First of all, hello and welcome aboard, narrator and workworkwork. I still think the original, unreleased pilot (the one I downloaded off the internet long before the series aired) had a better ending, with the crew preparing weapons and stashing another shotgun in the wall instead of just walking into the house. I loved that ending too. Especially because of the "fade to black" when Sarah stashes the shotgun into the wall. Anyway, the official ending scene was beautifully made as well. ______________________ EDIT: Here are the alternate scenes from the Pilot, in case someone haven't seen them yet: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sJFr1GoTys
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Post by littleb on Jul 2, 2009 3:47:40 GMT -5
As we went through this series originally, I got into the idea that, while Cameron's there to protect John, she has an alternate agenda regarding Sarah. I also got into the idea that she comes from a future where John is dead and she sent herself back to alter his course and prevent it from happening. I still reckon that last is the most likely scenario for Cameron. The 73 days is a good point; if she'd been sent back by John or Sarah, they would probably have been able to pinpoint their whereabouts more accurately without having to give her the run-around for 73 days. Cam has always seemed to have a mission other than the obvious and it was never more apparent than in Born to Run where she seemed to be manipulating John quite blatantly to push her "join us" agenda... Could just have been a clumsy way to bring the conversation around in an effort to help her identify John. She probably wouldn't have known what he looked like aged 15 and may have been digging for details hoping he would slip and give her a clue helping her ID him as John Connor. Does she ever say how she homed in on the Connors? She may have had the school as a location and was just scoping out the potential of the new kid. John Reese as an alias is pretty obvious to us, but IIRC, she doesn't know that Kyle is his father... Oh definitely the latter. I always read that as Cameron being pleased that things were going her way. Even without the retrospective perspective! As for the phrase "In the future you have many friends" I actually don't think Cameron was lying (at least by her own standards). But then, John is depicted as a leader acting in isolation (with only Cameron as confidant) by Jesse. That was Jesse's entire reason for acting the way she did. So, either they are from alt.futures, or one of them is telling lies. Based on the extremity of Jesse's efforts and what we know about Cameron's predilection for bending the truth, I would go for Cameron as the one lying there. The show has been a little confused on the issue of John's flist - Derek says they celebrated his birthday together and got drunk as skunks, Cam says he has many friends and Jesse reckons he's all shut off and withdrawn. Maybe they're all working different timelines but the writing was never consistent on this point. Anyway, topic - I really liked this episode. It's a great pilot; it does exactly what it should do. It establishes the characters, establishes the main threat(s), links to the movies and gives a few hints at its future secrets. Really well written and beautifully acted. I remember seeing it listed in the TV Guide and kinda sheepishly 'fessing to my better half that I was going to watch it cos it was Terminator... I probably watched it about 4 times in 2 days and well <shrugs> look where we are now! Absolutely. You get that tiny, lovely glimpse of what a normal life could be like for the Connors. The engagement ring, the loving fiance but at the same time you're seeing this, Sarah's already had her nightmare and her smile never reaches her eyes. "Half an hour. One bag, plus the guns. I'll make pancakes." One line to sum up Sarah and the awful tension and balance she has to strike between her role as mum and protector. This was a massive theme for both seasons and that line is just awesome at saying so much with so little. Same as the scene where she's asking John about the "pretty girls." She's just busted his ass about "getting caught hacking" and you see her physically check herself, relax her body language and even give herself a "oh chill the frak out!" eye-roll. It's a really lovely scene and it still amazes me how many really great character moments they managed to stuff into one episode. Weird that Sarah inadvertently sparks the whole thing off by running. If she hadn't run, Charley wouldn't have gone to the police, her ID wouldn't have hit the system, Cromartie wouldn't have found them... 'cept I guess he would, cos they always do I didn't really catch this before, but after the timejump, while they remembered the scar from where Sarah was impaled by the T-1000, they completely forgot the bullet wound in her shoulder that she just got a couple days ago. Ahh, Sarah and her magical shoulder shifting scars... and amazing, instantaneous powers of recovery! I think they put her scars in when it suited (i.e. The Good Wound) and just couldn't be arsed most of the time. It always made me giggle how - when they get out of the car at the bank - she initially kinda holds her arm stiff then just decides "oh to hell with it", drops it down and carries on as if she's not just been shot in the shoulder. I mean, I know the woman's hard as nuclear nails, but still...! One other thing that made me laugh rewatching was Cameron nonchalantly wiring their truck to explode (or leaving an explosive in it) at the Dyson's house. Bloody good job they didn't have to flee in that and then accidentally hit a pot hole! There was no way she would've known they'd be leaving in the Dyson truck...
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Post by allergygal on Jul 2, 2009 4:16:57 GMT -5
True, but when has Cameron ever told the whole truth. The 73 days could have been a fabrication. If Sarah did send Cameron back she would be trying to remember details from thirty years in the past. It's not too much of a stretch to think she could have been a little off on the dates considering that she would have spent the past 20+ years surviving JD and fighting Skynet. All that going on makes me believe it's possible she just gave an approx. date when they arrived in NM. Good point about it being so long ago that Sarah (or John) could have forgotten exactly where they were. They did move around a lot and had only known Charley for 6 months before running off to New Mexico. But it feels too deliberate in the story for it to just be fuzzy memory. For that same reason, I also don't think Cameron was lying about the 73 days. Not sure about Sarah sending her back. I don't see why Sarah would put herself through all that. Why wouldn't Cameron tell Sarah she sent her back? If Cameron said "you sent me here", I think Sarah's immediate thought would be: lying terminator bitch! (And it would be followed by multiple shotgun blasts) ;D Even harder than imagining Sarah relying on a machine that much is imagining her believing that she'd ever rely on a machine that much. But if times were desperate enough — if John got killed in the future and the resistance was losing without his leadership — maybe Sarah would resort to sending metal back to changes things. I just thought of something... If future!John was dead, then why would Cromartie have come to the past to kill him? Hmmm. I think this might blow my whole future!John (from Cameron's future, I mean) was dead theory. I suppose Cromartie could have just come back from an earlier point in the future before John was dead. Yeah, we don't know what year Cromartie came from, so I guess the theory isn't blown I agree that the character has a secret-alternate agenda, but I believe that that secret-alternate agenda only includes manipulating Sarah in order to keep her under control given that she is pretty unstable/volatile. Nevertheless, I think the main part of her agenda, as we were discussing many times with TerrasJ in the live chats, might be training John for the things to come. Yeah, there's definitely that — Cameron essentially doing Sarah's job but in her own way. She was protecting him and training him, but I think there's much more to Cameron's agenda. That apparent reference to Jesse's group is a confusing one because Jesse was already in 2007 before Cameron went bad and before John risked his life to put her chip back in. I find it really hard to believe that Cameron came from a future where her going bad and John putting her chip back in had happened in her past. I agree. I think Cameron mixes truths and lies in an effort to help John while also manipulating him. She's playing a complex game. I watched it again on DVD with a friend who hadn't seen the series or any ads for it before. He's the first person I've ever seen who was surprised that Cameron was a Terminator. Hey, TN! Nice to see you here Ha. That's awesome. It's hard to imagine someone actually not being spoiled about that since it was common knowledge at the time. But if I'd known nothing about Cameron before the series started I'm, sure I would've been surprised too (and it would've been a very fun reveal). I still think the original, unreleased pilot (the one I downloaded off the internet long before the series aired) had a better ending, with the crew preparing weapons and stashing another shotgun in the wall instead of just walking into the house. I never even thought about that possibility. That's a pretty cool way to explain how they got that house so quickly — just a safehouse Sarah had tucked away from years earlier. I'm not sure how realistic it is that a house could sit with the lawn unmowed for 8 years without people complaining, but I really like that as an explanation. Augh, yes. That's another one I remember lots of people grumbling about (including me). The only way to explain away the disappearing fresh bullet wound is by declaring that time travel heals you. But even so, there should've been a scar. Maybe the scar you can see is supposed be the healed bullet wound, but that would mean they forgot the T-1000 scar. Either way it was a screw-up. In the unaired version of the pilot, they do show Sarah the bullet wound in the final scene. More later.
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Post by thenarrator on Jul 2, 2009 11:49:06 GMT -5
Could just have been a clumsy way to bring the conversation around in an effort to help her identify John. She probably wouldn't have known what he looked like aged 15 and may have been digging for details hoping he would slip and give her a clue helping her ID him as John Connor. Does she ever say how she homed in on the Connors? She may have had the school as a location and was just scoping out the potential of the new kid. John Reese as an alias is pretty obvious to us, but IIRC, she doesn't know that Kyle is his father... That was my assumption: a combination of fishing for information and attempting to get close to the target. It's doubtful that there are any pictures of 15-year-old John in the future (if there were, I would assume he would destroy them to confound Terminators... I would in his position) so she'd need some confirmation. When you know she's a Terminator her questions come off as pretty obviously being clumsy probes: "My dad sells tractors. What does yours do?" But then, John is depicted as a leader acting in isolation (with only Cameron as confidant) by Jesse. That was Jesse's entire reason for acting the way she did. So, either they are from alt.futures, or one of them is telling lies. Wasn't it established that the future Jesse came from was different from (at the very least) the one Derek came from (i.e. Derek being captured and tortured by a Grey) because of the changes they'd made in the timeline, including but not limited to Derek killing Andy Goode? Likewise, it's a lot more likely for John Connor of the future to be isolated and only interact with Cameron if he's the John Connor who went through the time jump right years forward who basically grew up alongside Cameron and was a lot younger when J-Day hit. Weird that Sarah inadvertently sparks the whole thing off by running. If she hadn't run, Charley wouldn't have gone to the police, her ID wouldn't have hit the system, Cromartie wouldn't have found them... 'cept I guess he would, cos they always do It was pretty sloppy of her to not change her alias after that. A complete failure at the basic level of paranoid precaution. Did she think that Charlie would just write her off? (I am a bit curious, however, about how they connected the missing person's report of Sarah Reese with Sarah Connor. Were there fingerprints taken? Did her picture get put in the system and computer analysis compared it to mug shots? It happened fast, too. Actually, how could Ellison make it to the police station before Charlie had even finished reporting her missing? Was that his second visit, or was Ellison already on his way. Was Sarah's cover already blown? Was she right to run?) It always made me giggle how - when they get out of the car at the bank - she initially kinda holds her arm stiff then just decides "oh to hell with it", drops it down and carries on as if she's not just been shot in the shoulder. I mean, I know the woman's hard as nuclear nails, but still...! Yeah, I remember that. She seemed to be favoring her shoulder a little before they went into the bank, and then they just dropped it. One other thing that made me laugh rewatching was Cameron nonchalantly wiring their truck to explode (or leaving an explosive in it) at the Dyson's house. Bloody good job they didn't have to flee in that and then accidentally hit a pot hole! Naw, modern explosives are too stable to be detonated by something like that. I can think of a few people (tabletop gamers, naturally) who would totally think "We should rig our car so we can blow it up in a pinch, just in case a situation ever arises where that would be handy." Good point about it being so long ago that Sarah (or John) could have forgotten exactly where they were. They did move around a lot and had only known Charley for 6 months before running off to New Mexico. But it feels too deliberate in the story for it to just be fuzzy memory. For that same reason, I also don't think Cameron was lying about the 73 days. She might also have just gotten into position 73 days ahead of time and waited. Established her cover and whatnot, so that by the time John shows up she's no longer the new kid in school. That apparent reference to Jesse's group is a confusing one because Jesse was already in 2007 before Cameron went bad and before John risked his life to put her chip back in. I find it really hard to believe that Cameron came from a future where her going bad and John putting her chip back in had happened in her past. Almost certainly not, IMHO. Remember that the events that led to that situation (Sarkissian, etc.) were the result of their tampering with the timeline (Sarah burns down Andy Goode's first Turk, Derek shoots him, etc.) and their quest to find Skynet. None of that exists in a timeline where Cameron doesn't go back and start the events of the series rolling. Hey, TN! Nice to see you here *squints* Is that you, Roxy? It's nice to be seen. :-) I'm not sure how realistic it is that a house could sit with the lawn unmowed for 8 years without people complaining, but I really like that as an explanation. If she had enough money to straight up buy a house, she might have had enough to pay to have it taken care of in her absence. Alternatively, people might have complained, and the city mowed the lawn of an apparently derelict house. That happened in my hometown once. I'm trying to think if there's something else I meant to say that I'm forgetting....
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Post by Alexis on Jul 2, 2009 19:07:46 GMT -5
That apparent reference to Jesse's group is a confusing one because Jesse was already in 2007 before Cameron went bad and before John risked his life to put her chip back in. I find it really hard to believe that Cameron came from a future where her going bad and John putting her chip back in had happened in her past. Oh, I think you got me wrong with that one. I meant to say that Cameron said "That could upset people" because she already knew that [in the future where she came from] there was currently a rogue Resistance faction that was very, very upset about John Connor and his reprogrammed machines (and especially about her being his "spokewoman", of course). So, my reading of that phrase is: "That could upset people" even more than they already are. Let's put it this way: - The Resistance might have found out about Skynet planning to kill John by sending back another terminator (Cromie). And that's precisely what Derek and his crew saw in D&D: Terminators carrying one of the pieces which are going to be used to build the time-machine meant to be used by Cromie.
- Cromie got to use the time-machine before the Resistance attack and then they had to make a plan in order to stop him.
- Connor sent back Cameron [or Cameron sent herself back] with a very specific plan.
She must convince John and Sarah to time-travel from 1999 to 2007 in order to:
1- Evade Cromartie.
2- Jump over Sarah's dead and...
3- Prerare John for an eventual alliance with the machines. Maybe they (future!John Connor and Cameron) already knew that there were machines in the present, trying to stop Skynet as well.
4- Meet Derek and the rest so that they could work together on stopping Skynet and JD.
- Obviously, part of the plan consisted on sending Derek back to kill Andy Goode and be in charge of the "stop JD" operation, for which I assume that when Jesse somehow found out about Cameron being in the present, she decided to go after her (and Derek, of course) in order to stop her and try to persuade John that working alongside with machines is not good at all (based on her own experience).
That said, I'd like to point out that I don't like at all the multiple time-line thing. I think it only came to mess things up. Personally, I think it is [from a narrative point of view] much more effective that the rules of time-travel avoided the multiple time-lines, just because we can never be sure of which freaking alternate future/dimension/universe are the time-travelers coming from. That is a huge narrative problem, which confuses the audience and, IMHO, should have been avoided by simply establishing that every time you change something in the past, a new future is created and the former future is erased.Anyway, just my opinion. ____________ EDIT: Just corrected some grammar mistakes.
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Post by littleb on Jul 3, 2009 3:12:03 GMT -5
Could just have been a clumsy way to bring the conversation around in an effort to help her identify John... That was my assumption: a combination of fishing for information and attempting to get close to the target.... When you know she's a Terminator her questions come off as pretty obviously being clumsy probes: "My dad sells tractors. What does yours do?" Yeah, there was always something weird about her in those scenes, something not quite right. Laugh too high, questions too pointed, just too damn friendly. Derek and Jesse kinda decided they were from different timelines in Complications and then Derek decided that Jesse wasn't his Jesse in Today's the Day II. Ow ow ow ow ow. Sorry, that's just my normal reaction to time-loop brain-breakage! I suspect the inconsistencies were with the writing though... or with Cameron telling a few fibs to get John on-side. I guess she was hoping he would. On a realistic level, someone as paranoid as Sarah would've changed her name, so I'm thinking Friedman decided to sacrifice a little bit of plausibility for the sake of a quick plot-fix. <LOL> Please do not think about the fine details so very thoroughly. You may find that logic escapes them... I don't think Ellison was already onto her, I think he was brought by her being flagged up by the system. There'd be no need to take her prints from Charley's house cos ostensibly, at that point, she'd done nothing wrong so they must've matched her via mugshot. And then Ellison got on his faster-than-the-speed-of-light jet to get to the police station before Charley had even finished saying "hey, my girlie's gone AWOL" Oh god, why is this board screwing up the quoting so badly?! It's making my head hurt. Hey, TN! Nice to see you here *squints* Is that you, Roxy? Heh. I don't think anyone on here has the same name as they do on lj... Some people have questioned where Sarah got the house after the timejump, but it was established back in T2 that Sarah has caches or equipment all over. I'm not sure how realistic it is that a house could sit with the lawn unmowed for 8 years without people complaining, but I really like that as an explanation. LOL to the lawn mowing, but that house was so crappy I went with TN and assumed it was one of their safe houses. Whatever happened to booking into a nice hotel? The most expensive one you can find?! I guess that's hard to do when you've jumped through time in the buff... Maybe the scar you can see is supposed be the healed bullet wound, but that would mean they forgot the T-1000 scar. Either way it was a screw-up. In the unaired version of the pilot, they do show Sarah the bullet wound in the final scene. I always thought that scar was from the recent wound and they forgot her other one. Jeez, this show forgetting or misplacing one of Sarah's scars?! Never!!! BTW seeing as we're picking nits, if you squint at the two computer files on Sarah in this ep, she mysteriously grows an inch between them... one has her at 5'4" and the other at 5'5". Heh. Apologies for any quote mangling btw, the board is being quite selective on that front...
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