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Post by cyadon on Mar 27, 2009 13:18:23 GMT -5
Well if it's going to be a "shocking" major male character death, I guess it would have to be Derek. Or John That would be pretty shocking, no? Maybe when Thomas Dekker said John was left alone, without any women in his life, he meant his lifeless body. ;D And that makes it obvious that the 'one woman betrays him' by Cameron spreading his ashes somewhere other than where Sarah thinks they should be. And that's when Cameron builds a new John Connor out of spare T-unit parts.
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Post by Erika on Mar 27, 2009 13:19:10 GMT -5
Josh also said the "death of a loved one" - that most certainly won't be Ellison.
I think we all know why BAG has a new pilot deal.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 27, 2009 13:21:47 GMT -5
Maybe when Thomas Dekker said John was left alone, without any women in his life, he meant his lifeless body. ;D And that makes it obvious that the 'one woman betrays him' by Cameron spreading his ashes somewhere other than where Sarah thinks they should be. And that's when Cameron builds a new John Connor out of spare T-unit parts. Or that's when Sarah and Cameron go off to find the secret Connor daughter.
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Post by cyadon on Mar 27, 2009 13:28:04 GMT -5
And that makes it obvious that the 'one woman betrays him' by Cameron spreading his ashes somewhere other than where Sarah thinks they should be. And that's when Cameron builds a new John Connor out of spare T-unit parts. Or that's when Sarah and Cameron go off to find the secret Connor daughter. And it turns out... that it's the mother of Allison Young! Cameron killed Sarah's grand daughter and took her place!
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Post by k8ie on Mar 27, 2009 13:37:57 GMT -5
Or that's when Sarah and Cameron go off to find the secret Connor daughter. And it turns out... that it's the mother of Allison Young! Cameron killed Sarah's grand daughter and took her place Um, gross much? I'm just clinging to the Ben Kenobi defence myself...
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Post by timstuff on Mar 27, 2009 14:57:03 GMT -5
I'm placing my bets on the big death being Charlie. I'm of the notion that Ellison is going to be the one who takes care of Savannah when CW gets outed, and there's no way they're going to kill off Derek since he's an important part of the show's chemistry.
I think Sarah is going to betray John by driving away Cameron. We already saw the seeds of this planted when Sarah tried to make Cameron question why Future!John sent her away, and it's only a matter of time now before Sarah finishes the job. Cameron is going to crack, and ironically, by driving her away, I think Sarah will prove that Cameron actually has feelings to hurt.
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Post by littleb on Mar 27, 2009 15:29:28 GMT -5
Josh also said the "death of a loved one" - that most certainly won't be Ellison. Thought that was Charley. Cos with Derek... I'm not feeling the love from the Connors really. Ellison is still a major male character, even if his role is a little limited at the moment (which is why I'm keeping my money on him.) He's been in the show since the outset and is a key cast member. I wouldn't be particularly "shocked" but then hopefully that's spoiler hyperbole! Everything I've read around that states BAG is treating TSCC as his priority in terms of the two shows. Can't blame a fella for keeping his options open, the ratings for TSCC in no way guarantee employment next season. I think they'd be idiots to kill him off. He has a large fan base within the fandom, Derek's an excellent character with tonnes of scope for development and BAG rocks in the role. He's a total asset. Ellison, not so much.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 27, 2009 15:44:55 GMT -5
He's a total asset. Ellison, not so much. Hey, now! Don't be hatin' on my man, the former Feebee with the fine, fine voice! Now, Derek, he troubles me. At this point, I'm really not sure why or how John and particularly Sarah should or would trust him again. Particularly since Derek was up there, sitting in judgement over everyone only to be wrong about Cameron, wrong about John and wrong about Sarah. He got played and it nearly cost the Connors dearly. Yeah, it makes Derek human but so does not forgiving him.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 27, 2009 16:07:50 GMT -5
I don't want Charley to die
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Post by gothamite66 on Mar 27, 2009 16:16:10 GMT -5
I don't want Charley to die Neither do I. But since I don't really think Jesse is dead... I think both Charley and Derek are toast.
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Post by battlejuice on Mar 27, 2009 16:20:03 GMT -5
I don't want Charley to die I know. I love the guy - and the job he does on the show. He has such a cool presence. He rocked 30Rock last night. I wish they had used him more. If/When he dies tonight, I'm gonna be crushed.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 27, 2009 16:54:51 GMT -5
*achem*
<mod voice>How about we nudge the discussion about Charley and his possible demise back to the thread for the episode we know he's actually in, eh?
Thank you kindly.
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Post by littleb on Mar 28, 2009 7:23:16 GMT -5
He's a total asset. Ellison, not so much. Hey, now! Don't be hatin' on my man, the former Feebee with the fine, fine voice! <LOL> I love that that smiley is called "lovey." It's very cute. I like Ellison (well, I did, before he went all stupid!) and I love Richard T. Jones. I can just see him dying in a firey or possibly explosively redeeming death. Humble pie to table Derek, please. I think forgiving Derek (and John's already there in To The Lighthouse) would be an awful lot easier than getting their heads around why Ellison's done what he's done. Derek was human, he made a stupid mistake for love. Plus, he's family and Sarah's tolerated him and all his baggage thus far. I'd like to see him hold his hands up and admit he was an idiot to Sarah, especially the number of times he's called her on her errors. Ellison's motives were potentially much murkier and have had (or I'm guessing, will have) cataclysmic consequences. And when all that comes to pass, I don't see anything else for him to do. He'll have burned his bridges with the Connors and if Zeira is revealed to him to be the Big Bad, I can't see him punching in his time-card ever again. I'd kill off Ellison over Funny Derek any day. If it came down to a choice between the two...
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Post by hzhp800 on Mar 28, 2009 11:15:47 GMT -5
It's not likely that Ellison would live to see Zeira revealed as the "Big Bad" because well for one, it doesn't seem as though they ARE the Big Bad. Weren't you paying attention to the "brother" talk and the cell phone call with (Skynet?) informing its human cronies how to disable Cameron? It's not impossible for John Henry to go bad.
But the show is also suggesting that John Henry could be a tremendous ally against Skynet proper. If so, Ellison's work would not be one of Stupidity or otherwise, but instead a risky gambit that may have paid off. At the very least it's allowed him to remain a player on the board and to gain further insight as to what is going on, beyond Sarah's cold shoulder. What was he supposed to do? Go live his life as though nothing might happen and then watch it all go away.
Sarah rejected him, Weaver took him in, and if anything he's rather fortunate that Weaver may have been more on the up and up than people had been giving her credit for. She certainly doesn't care about humans the way he or many would like but she doesn't seem particularly interested in their elimination either, nor does she seem all that interested in ensuring a tyrannical rule of Skynet. Of all the places Ellison could have ended up there are likely many worse than with Weaver and Zeira.
Maybe even with Skynet and its cronies trying to pick off the Connors at a lighthouse, perhaps.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 29, 2009 15:16:32 GMT -5
Nice post, hzhp800. Karma for that. I agree with your evaluation of Weaver.
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