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Post by Erika on Jul 15, 2009 12:17:19 GMT -5
Well it was a suggestion folks - I agree that Resistance just seems too vague and could be construed as belonging to the whole Terminator franchise though.
I also hear Resistance and just think that it's really parallel to Browncoats as a name.
I suppose a fandom doesn't HAVE to have a name, Star Wars fans don't - but if we really do want to brand ourselves we probably should think of something.
We could just be Connors...again that connects us more w/ the series and not the films.
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Post by schmacky on Jul 15, 2009 12:44:18 GMT -5
Well it was a suggestion folks - I agree that Resistance just seems too vague and could be construed as belonging to the whole Terminator franchise though. I also hear Resistance and just think that it's really parallel to Browncoats as a name. I suppose a fandom doesn't HAVE to have a name, Star Wars fans don't - but if we really do want to brand ourselves we probably should think of something. We could just be Connors...again that connects us more w/ the series and not the films. I understand the need to be different from the movies... but it's not like this is a new show and needs a new name. Fans of TSCC have been calling themselves the REsistance since it started.. especially more so since it's been canceled. I've seen a lot of "Resistance, Hawaii" "REsistance, Germany" etc etc etc With over 70 countries, it might be a little difficult to change the name of something that's just naturally happened.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jul 15, 2009 13:52:58 GMT -5
Well it was a suggestion folks - I agree that Resistance just seems too vague and could be construed as belonging to the whole Terminator franchise though. I also hear Resistance and just think that it's really parallel to Browncoats as a name. I suppose a fandom doesn't HAVE to have a name, Star Wars fans don't - but if we really do want to brand ourselves we probably should think of something. We could just be Connors...again that connects us more w/ the series and not the films. I understand the need to be different from the movies... but it's not like this is a new show and needs a new name. Fans of TSCC have been calling themselves the REsistance since it started.. especially more so since it's been canceled. I've seen a lot of "Resistance, Hawaii" "REsistance, Germany" etc etc etc With over 70 countries, it might be a little difficult to change the name of something that's just naturally happened. That's the whole thing though. It IS a different show. If the show was called Connor Chronicles: Tales of The Resistance...I could see naturally choosing well The Resistance...or a variation thereof. However it's not. It's called Sarah Connor Chronicles (with a Terminator in front of that). Believe it or not Chroniclers naturally sprung to mind a LONG time ago when I first considered a name for the fanbase. (Maybe us writers are weird?) But it WAS different. It stood up OUT and APART from those who were simply fans of the films. And to be entirely on point the SCC fanbase DOES need a name that stands us out and apart. If we simply go with The Resistance we risk being swallowed up into obscurity. BUt once again...Chroniclers was just a suggestiong and the poll in my post....is 11 to 1...(12 votes thus far) for...The Resistance over Chroniclers and Sarah's Slammers. Edit- I just thought of this...which could become a common problem at Conventions should we go with a conventional name. It's like saying to two Terminator fans at a con...or just a fan who thinks you're a fan of all things Terminator.. "I'm a member of The Resistance!" "Awesome so what do you think of Salvation!" "Well I mean Sarah Connor Chronicles." "But why call yourselves a member of the Resistance then?" "Because of...the Resistance." "Yeah but The Resistance was hardly in the show at all." Whereas...if Chornicler or another name catches on. "So you're a fan of Terminator?" "I'm a Chronicler!" "Wow seriously...that's Die Hard. I had issues with it." "Me too but it broke so much new ground that it really impressed me, I was so angry when Fox canceled it." "I will admit those last few episodes were really well written. Is the Chronicler network worldwide?" "Absolutely. Over 7 countries with more on the way."
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Post by terrasj on Jul 15, 2009 15:57:19 GMT -5
I was talking with Ross about this yesterday, as well right now in Aim.
Sarah's Slammers is one of the resistance groups in the earlier comics. Its sort of a homage to John Connor's mom, Sarah, and slamming SkyNet is what they do best.
Interesting parallel here is we all here in the Sarah Connor Society have been (and hopefully) giving Fox all we got, slamming them with emails to save the show before it was axed, and its not like we've simply given up and accepted defeat yet either...
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Post by Alexis on Jul 15, 2009 22:15:55 GMT -5
WOW!! Looks like it's been a lot of activity here since I posted the Resistance Council idea. I'm so glad to read some dear colleagues and friends names here again. I will happily get the word out on all major ideas and events through my Terminator Blog. With 6,000 plus hits and climbing and me getting oof my ass and doing daily updates again I can pretty much assure the word will get out. I could also create a new page on said blog called: Resistance Command Or some such detailing links etc for rallying Resistance around to save SCC. terminatornewsnetwork.wordpress.comHey, Ross!! Nice to see you again, my friend. Your help in promoting the new International Resistance Rallies will be highly appreciated. Thank you. Alexis - I totally love the united fan rally idea. I was all into the first few fan rallies and then new nothing about them continuing or when or on what boards. So doing them one time a week all at once sounds like a great idea. I'm definitely all for bringing people together from different sites. That was the idea behind savethescc.com. Aelysian started that as a place for fans from everywhere to have a central location for sharing ideas and joining into campaigns. People don't seem to use the message boards there very much, though, so I think most ideas tend to come about in the chatroom. I'm glad you liked our idea of the new International Resistance Rallies, Allergygal. As for the International Resistance Council, I think the 3 big ( SCS, Wiki and SaveTheSCS) working together is a sine-qua-non condition for our campaigns to be successful and to consolidate the Resistance unity. I've talked to Aelysian a couple of days ago in the chatroom. He (or she, IDK, forgot to ask) was kind enough to offer me a specific section created especially for the International Rally campaign. I mentioned him the idea of an International Resistance Council and the Official Global Resistance Bulletins meant to be a special place where each of the big 3 might post the exact same information and announcements coming from the International Resistance Council. He told me that he liked the idea and he had been trying for a long time to contact the Wiki admins, but he never got an answer. So, he asked me to try and contact them. I already sent a PM to Wild-Kat (Wiki admin) and in case I couldn’t get an answer either, I propose to start a thread, there on the Wiki, called "International Resistance Council", in order to get more people to discuss the ideas on the project and insist on asking the admins to create a special section for the "International Resistance Council Official Anouncements And Suggestions", which I suggest should be created here and on the SaveTheSCC boards too. Alexis: I wonder if you would be open to a little tweak of your basic Resistance Council idea? What if we kept your basic idea the same to bring the big three TSCC sites together for a weekly (or maybe monthly) stradegy session to co-ordintate common efforts and shared campaigns, except we also invited in a representative from the big three international fan sites, too. The German fan site speaks for much of Europe, the Russian one is also huge, and the Argentinean site has fans from all over South and Central America (as well as Spain). @everyone: Just think if we formed a Resistance Council which was a "United Nations for TSCC." They could meet even just once a month and choose the campaign for that month -- for example, imagine the email campaign we could unleash if we all hit it at once from all over the world. Alexis and I have been working closely together on the New Global Fan Rally with a guy named Light who is a leader in the Russian Resistance. He speaks very good English, and has great teamwork skills. Alexis (if I may divulge) has in the past been a leader and moderator with the Argentinean Resistance, so then we may only lack contact with a leader from the German Resistance, and our mutual friend arthur is already working on this connection right now. It's fun to imagine the possibilities of such a world-wide co-ordinated effort. And we even have a meeting spot available because rossbondreturns has already kindly offered a location for the United Nations Resistance Council. (oo, that has a nice ring to it) What do you say, Alexis, is it okay I'm messing with your idea? Not at all, my friend. You are not messing with my idea but going bigger and broader, which is great. However, first we might need to consolidate an official alliance between the 3 big ( SCS, Wiki and SaveTheSCC) in order to put things together and then launch the International Resistance Council - Sounds good, huh? BTW, I posted the message on sconnorchronicles.com.ar and asked the admins to send a general e-mail to everyone. Light translated it into Russian and posted it on the Russian site. Arthur got a German guy to translate the message into German and post it on tscc.de. And you are about to contact the Chinese Resistance. So, dude, I'm seriously looking forward to that Rally on July 26!! Well I've been meaning to place up a new free messageboard connected with my 3 blogs for a while. And in fact I've found a nice setup that give a free board/forum + A Flash Based chat room + a free image album and more. I'm thinking of signing it up either the RossBondReturns Name...or RossBondBlogs...and then maybe open a sub-board for the United Nations Resistance Council...or perhaps the United Resistance Forces Command. I'll likely sign up anyway...so I'll update this post as I go along. Time to get signed up methinks. nofatebutwhatwemake.aimoo.com/And there we go. Everyone play fair and if anyone want's to be a Mod who has done it before please let me know. Thanks. That's great Ross!! Looks like the International Resistance Council might have a home. I think this would be perfect, because if we want the big 3 ( SCS, Wiki and SaveTheSCC) to support the International Resistance Council project, we need to be independent. That way, there is no privilege for either of them but the 3 would count on an equal positioning into the International Resistance Council structure.So, the members of the Council will come from Sarah Connor Society, Terminator Wiki and SaveTheSCC and invite representatives from other international fan sites, but they would gather in a neutral place. That would be perfect. However, the problem I see is that the forum would need to be a bit more focused on TSCC (the movie section is above TSCC section) and I would also create a special section for the International Resistance Council on top of the forum to include threads for the Council Announcements, the International Resistance Rallies Discussion Thread, etc., and put a TSCC pic as background picture. Anyway, it is definitely not my intention to tell you what to do with your new website, those were just a couple of friendly suggestions, you know. As for the Chroniclers vs. Resistance Fighters, I have to agree with Schmacky, Allergygal and b2tbone. Although I can see clearly what you and Erika mean, I think that we don't need to draw a distinction between us and the rest of the Terminator fans, just because we are an indivisible part of the Terminator 'verse and so we should try to get the rest of the Terminator fans to join us, not to push them away. Besides, as Schmacky said, the fans all over the world already chose to call themselves Resistance Fighters and also they are known as Resistance Fighters by the other fandoms. No-one is organizing campaigns to save the movies, which makes more clear who the Resistance Fighters are and what are they fighting for. ____________________ @everyone: I think that the next step in order to regroup and organize the Resistance is to create the International Resistance Council AND a specific section in every website which might be called the "International Resistance Council Official Announcements And Suggestions", where the exact same info need to be posted on every website, so that the Resistance Worldwide Network will be effectively coordinated and organized like no other fan base ever. No fate.
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Post by vicheron on Jul 15, 2009 22:29:23 GMT -5
There's Tech-Com. Heck, you can even go with Cyberdyne Systems Corporation, Artificial Intelligence and Robotics Division, Project Resurrection.
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Post by schmacky on Jul 15, 2009 22:40:56 GMT -5
Ross.. like I said, I understand the need to separate but where I'm coming from is this... there are fans from over 70 different countries on this planet and most of them, if not all, refer to themselves as the Resistance.
Attempting to change the name of something that has already naturally progressed is quite difficult (and confusing).
And about the Resistance barely being in the show, I have to disagree. Since the very first episode a member of the Resistance has been there - Cameron. And then Derek and they've had several episodes in the future. But above that, the start of the Resistance was the moment Sarah Connor decided to take the fight to Skynet. In my opinion anyway.
As you can tell from your poll (though there aren't that many votes), most people are not all too keen on the word Chroniclers.
A big issue I have with the word Chroniclers is... 1, we're not chronicling anything. Sarah is. We're not the chroniclers, she is. Also, it makes it seem like what happens in the show is historical in some sense, as if it really happened and happened already.. and obviously it didn't. Yes, the show is called The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but that doesn't mean the word Chroniclers is a good word to describe the fanbase.
Just my opinion.
Have any other ideas besides Chroniclers?
edit: Oh and in regards to Sarah's Slammers... that one just doesn't make sense. It had no mention in the show.. it's from a comic book, yeah? No one who watched the show and didn't read any of the comics would understand what is Sarah's Slammers. In my opinion, that would be worse than the Resistance because at least if you watched the show you know what The Resistance is.
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Post by Alexis on Jul 15, 2009 23:13:53 GMT -5
"Los finitos"? "The Bleached Skullz"? ;D
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Post by schmacky on Jul 15, 2009 23:55:58 GMT -5
"Los finitos"? "The Bleached Skullz"? ;D LOL Los Finitos.. that's funny!
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Post by Alexis on Jul 16, 2009 0:14:56 GMT -5
Just posted the International Resistance Rallies announcement on the Czech site and FreanchFan's site. Also, I checked out the reactions on sconnorchronicles.com.ar and people loved the idea!
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Post by Alexis on Jul 16, 2009 0:22:44 GMT -5
"Los finitos"? "The Bleached Skullz"? ;D LOL Los Finitos.. that's funny! Don't even try to steal it from me. It's already been properly registered and copyrighted! ;D
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Post by schmacky on Jul 16, 2009 0:28:23 GMT -5
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jul 16, 2009 11:40:29 GMT -5
Ross.. like I said, I understand the need to separate but where I'm coming from is this... there are fans from over 70 different countries on this planet and most of them, if not all, refer to themselves as the Resistance. Attempting to change the name of something that has already naturally progressed is quite difficult (and confusing). And about the Resistance barely being in the show, I have to disagree. Since the very first episode a member of the Resistance has been there - Cameron. And then Derek and they've had several episodes in the future. But above that, the start of the Resistance was the moment Sarah Connor decided to take the fight to Skynet. In my opinion anyway. As you can tell from your poll (though there aren't that many votes), most people are not all too keen on the word Chroniclers. A big issue I have with the word Chroniclers is... 1, we're not chronicling anything. Sarah is. We're not the chroniclers, she is. Also, it makes it seem like what happens in the show is historical in some sense, as if it really happened and happened already.. and obviously it didn't. Yes, the show is called The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but that doesn't mean the word Chroniclers is a good word to describe the fanbase. Just my opinion. Have any other ideas besides Chroniclers? edit: Oh and in regards to Sarah's Slammers... that one just doesn't make sense. It had no mention in the show.. it's from a comic book, yeah? No one who watched the show and didn't read any of the comics would understand what is Sarah's Slammers. In my opinion, that would be worse than the Resistance because at least if you watched the show you know what The Resistance is. Believe me I understand that I'm fine with The Resistance in a way. BUt IMHO we need a way to make SCC Resistance stand out above all the rest of the Resistance groups...or people will go...oh they're just more of the same. And if that happens we get jack crap in recognition. The Resistance: 2027Would set us apart because the future war footage in SCC takes place in 2027.
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Post by Alexis on Jul 16, 2009 14:24:36 GMT -5
IMHO, when you already have a consolidated identity and a strong public image, you just don't change it, you might re-invent it, but you don't change it. For example: Coca-Cola has had different variations of their brand: Coca-Cola Light, Coca-Cola Cero, Coca-Cola blah blah blah... But it's always been Coca-Cola. Several years ago, Pepsi felt like they were in need of a change 'cause Coca-Cola was screwing them up, so they re-invented themselves, they re-invented their public image with a slogan that said to people: "We are same, but we are different now, we represent a new generation". Then you got the slogan: "Generation NeXt" (and those crappy Spice Girls ads, annoying jingle included, etc ) and that way Pepsi's re-positioning into the young people segment of the global market became stronger, and so they brought balance to the Force once again. ;D Anyway, the point is that you don't need to change your name, your identity, to re-invent a brand. Ergo, I vote for TSCC Resistance Fighters.Don't know what "TSCC" means? Just Google it! Someone should create a Wikipedia entry to the acronym "TSCC". Slogan: Nike: "Just do it."Adidas: "Impossible is nothing."TSCC: "Take back the future. Bring back TSCC." + "Will you join us?"Just a thought.
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Post by Erika on Jul 16, 2009 17:21:17 GMT -5
Sarah's Resistance works also
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