rossbondreturns
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Post by rossbondreturns on Mar 4, 2008 17:21:15 GMT -5
also as much as they try to sugarcoat Reese here...and BAG is fantastic.
I still don't believe that John either Authorized or knows of this mission.
And that Dereks plan has totally blow up in his face...the fact that he's willing to kill just about anyone Including all those people who should've been in the hidden traffic control center but weren't...shows that he's a totally obsessed loose cannon. And he's just biding his time before he can get out and make his own plans happen yet again.
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Post by Erika on Mar 4, 2008 17:44:13 GMT -5
Just realized. Derek couldn't have known John was Kyle's son before Queen's Gambit because he makes that comment to Sarah, almost to himself really, about how Sarah doesn't know the Reese boys and she never will. He probably didn't figure it out until after D&D between Demon's Hand and Vick's Chip. I'm thinking he figured it out when John told him about Kyle at the end of D&D. John's carefully wording what happened to Kyle and the fact that HE talked about him I think was all Derek needed to know. You know it's like you have a bunch of puzzle pieces sitting around you but no box to tell what image you're making? Then suddenly you start seeing something and then the pieces all start falling into place? I'm really ready to sit and watch all of the eps together again to see if I can pick up on anything that I missed the first time around.
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Post by roseredscare on Mar 4, 2008 20:11:01 GMT -5
I think Derek had a theory in Demon's Hand and he was fishing for a reaction when he asked about Kyle right after inquiring about John's father to Sarah.
And that scene in Vic's Chip where Sarah has to stop Derek from shooting those two unconscious guards bothered me. It seemed to just come out of no where and didn't really make sense for his character. Why would he bother to shoot those guys? They weren't a threat and weren't going to cause them any trouble. We know Derek would kill someone if they were in his way of stopping Skynet but we've never seem him just up and kill people for no reason. It just didn't make sense to me. I really wish Sarah had asked him why he was doing it so we could hear what was going through his head at that moment.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 4, 2008 22:08:17 GMT -5
Have to say I'm due to re-watch again to re-analyze the details.
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Post by Big Brother on Mar 5, 2008 5:18:26 GMT -5
Actually, they SHOULD have shot the guards. This incident is gonna be investigated, especially when they find that hole he blew in the foundation of LA City Hall and a couple dozen people are killed or injured the next day in traffic accidents caused by a mysterious malfunction of the ARTIE system. Which I still say should be partly made of chrome, but anyways...
Those guards saw their faces. They will likely be shown mugshots of others known to be partial to explosives and big government computer systems. And Sarah's pic might be among them. They've already got on Terminator and a mysterious Armenian crime boss after them, they don't need the LAPD and other cops on them even more than they are already.
Of course, their faces are surely on some surveillance-camera footage going in and out of the control center, so perhaps this is moot.
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Post by kittybot on Mar 5, 2008 10:03:33 GMT -5
I like him. He brings something new to the table, and how he views the other characters, like his dislike & mistrust for Cameron for example, and how he operates and the questions he brings up are like the sort that the audience might be thinking, he's kinda like our voice in a sense. I thought about when did he find out about John being his nephew when Derek said that he celebrated John's 30th in the future and John got drunk, I thought maybe futureJohn let some info slip then? But reading in this thread yous have all made interesting points to make me rethink on that a little more. Derek said something like he sees Kyle when he looks at John, maybe futureJohn defended Cameron to Derek in the future? Then having your younger brother Kyle keeping a photo of Sarah would make ya wonder too Actually, they SHOULD have shot the guards. This incident is gonna be investigated, especially when they find that hole he blew in the foundation of LA City Hall and a couple dozen people are killed or injured the next day in traffic accidents caused by a mysterious malfunction of the ARTIE system. Which I still say should be partly made of chrome, but anyways... Those guards saw their faces. They will likely be shown mugshots of others known to be partial to explosives and big government computer systems. And Sarah's pic might be among them. They've already got on Terminator and a mysterious Armenian crime boss after them, they don't need the LAPD and other cops on them even more than they are already. Of course, their faces are surely on some surveillance-camera footage going in and out of the control center, so perhaps this is moot. Good point. Karma. I find it funny that Derek & Cameron clash yet they operate the same sort of way when it comes to mission priorities and who to kill and not to kill.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 6, 2008 1:00:20 GMT -5
Derek lived through Judgment Day so to him, everyone is already dead. He was willing to kill those security guards because it doesn't matter whether they die by his hands or on Judgment Day. Derek has a mission and he's not going to let some walking corpses endanger it.
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Post by kittybot on Mar 6, 2008 1:35:56 GMT -5
Derek lived through Judgment Day so to him, everyone is already dead. He was willing to kill those security guards because it doesn't matter whether they die by his hands or on Judgment Day. Derek has a mission and he's not going to let some walking corpses endanger it. That reminds me of the mindset of crazySarah in T2 in the hospital when she has that poison needle to Silberman's neck Dr. Silberman: It won't work, Sarah. You're no killer, I don't believe you'd do it. Sarah Connor: You're already dead, Silberman. Everybody dies. You know I believe it so don't frak with me! I think because in the Future Derek being a fighter was taught to kill (well you cant exactly kill machines) dispose anything in that endangers the mission, and it's hard for Derek to make that change in his fighter instincts that now he's in the past. I remember in Terminator 1 when Kyle was going to shoot the cops until Sarah said "No, they'll kill you" Its like introducing a wild animal into a domestic house-that is what Derek is to me ;D going into Sarah's bedroom, using her toothbrush lol, he's gotta lot to learn. Hehe and he refers to Cameron as the 'pet'
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Post by Black Canary on Mar 6, 2008 10:00:25 GMT -5
Ya know? What I'm scared about with Derek is what he's going to do next. I know he was off making nice with John at the park, but I'm wondering if he's just bidding his time until John becomes his next target. I mean, he's got to have some resentment against John... nephew or not, he sent Kyle back KNOWING he was going to be killed... but if John's out of the picture... wellll.... I'm sure you can put two and two together.
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Post by ReeseDN38416 on Mar 6, 2008 12:59:13 GMT -5
I'm also worried about what Derek might do next. Really all four of the main cast are live wires. Sarah and Cameron are bound by the fact that they'll always protect John. John and Sarah are bound by their value for human life and John is bound by his responsibilities as a hero. But it's hard to see what Derek is bound by. He's still feeling things out and so far... he's submitted to most of the house rules. But there is a feeling in the air that it's only a matter of time before... I don't know. I like that I don't know. Creates tension wonderfully.
ETA: I agree that it's still unclear how much of Derek and Co.'s mission was authorized by John Connor... if it was authorized at all.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 6, 2008 13:17:26 GMT -5
I doubt that Derek would do anything that would go against future John's plan. I doubt that he can do anything future John doesn't know about.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 6, 2008 18:01:20 GMT -5
The thing is future John is a world away and it's the current John and Sarah, that he has to deal with. He may still have his own agenda, but with Sarah constantly watching him as much as she can, she seems like she'll keep him on track as much as she can.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 7, 2008 1:18:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't discount future John's control over Derek. We've seen future John's ability to plan for the long term. He manipulated Kyle into falling in love with Sarah and he probably began to train Kyle for the mission to protect Sarah the moment they met. Who knows what John has in store for Derek. It's possible that every major event that has happened to Derek since he's joined the Resistance was orchestrated by future John.
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Post by jen22 on Mar 10, 2008 18:19:45 GMT -5
Derek isn't so much different than a Terminator when it comes to the value of human life. He doesn't value it at all. I don't believe in him thinking JD will happen so it really doesn't matter whether he kills everyone that crosses his path or not. Isn't their current mission to stop JD? If they don't believe they can stop it (which Derek seems to...otherwise why spy on all those people who are involved creating Skynet) why fight? And if they can stop it (not sayin it's true) that means every human has a chance to survive, has a chance to get children who in turn get children. So with every human he kills now he kills their offpsrings.
Sarah has proven that she just isn't a killer. No matter what. She might kill when it comes down to 'kill or be killed'. But she can't just kill for the sake of it. Derek on the other hand reminds me of a crazy psycho killer. He certainly had that look in his eyes after Sarah stopped him from shooting those cops. That makes him dangerous even to the Connors. He also knows that Sarah won't kill him. I don't think the thread she made bothered him at all. Because he knows she has never killed anyone.
There is no saying what he will do to even John. The reason why he made up his own plan instead of following orders is because he wanted to finally feel significant in the grand scheme of things. He was insignificant in the future. His little brother was the hero, he was the one people liked more, he was the one John trusted more. And when he found out about Wisher being Andy Goode he thought he could finally be the hero by trying to stop JD in the past in his own way. Which totally backfired on him. And that he continues to lie and make things up just shows that he isn't really working with the other 3. If Derek wants to take the place of John, be the future leader of mankind (and I think so) he will stop at nothing to achieve that.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 10, 2008 21:28:02 GMT -5
Derek actually lived through Judgment Day so to him it already happened. All the people around him are already dead. Plus if thinking that he can stop Judgment Day doesn't make Derek any less dangerous, it could have an opposite effect. If he thinks that by completing his mission he could stop Judgment Day then it won't matter to him who he kills because in the end, it'll save 3 billion lives.
If Derek is truly dangerous or even delusional then I doubt that future John would have sent him.
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