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Post by stealthgear on Nov 16, 2008 14:42:34 GMT -5
I wouldnt mind if they actually override the movies and make a happy ending timeline offshoot where they destroy skynet and prevent the future war for good. These particular characters deserve more because we spend more time thinking about them than the movies. We already have a doomed ending in the movies, give us a good/cool one.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Nov 16, 2008 15:44:49 GMT -5
While it would be nice.
It would fly against all of Camerons reasons for creating the series in the first place.
Terminator is meant to a cautionary tale of what goes WRONG when we put to much TRUST in Machines.
If they were to stop Judgment Day than that message would be lost.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 16, 2008 19:20:22 GMT -5
Except that in T2, their trust in Uncle Bob saved their lives and it almost saved the human race.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Nov 16, 2008 20:01:26 GMT -5
Except that in T2, their trust in Uncle Bob saved their lives and it almost saved the human race. True. But it didn't. One of the many reasons why the Future Changed ending was sliced. James didn not want a definitive end to the war...let alone a stopping of Judgment Day. It negated his entire premise.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 16, 2008 20:17:34 GMT -5
But that's not the point, the point is that they trusted a machine with their lives and it came through for them. Their trust in Uncle Bob was justified in the end.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Nov 18, 2008 1:18:17 GMT -5
It's pointless to argue the time travel paradox because by definition it is a paradox - and therefore cannot exist and cannot be reasoned about. This is why it's been said that it's called the "Black Hole" in the Terminator writers room.
As for the cautionary point of James Cameron, this is the same thing you find in the Star Trek and Star Wars imagery and numerous other sci-fi stories. Long before there was a Terminator movie, there were stories like "Colossus" which became "The Forbin Project" movie.
In fact, Gene Roddenberry did a pilot for a series called "The Questor Tapes". It was a TV movie wherein a team of scientists build an android from plans left behind by a missing genius scientist. The android turns out to have a preprogrammed mission to find that scientist, and joined by one of the human engineers, starts searching for the missing scientist, while pursued by the world's governments who believe he has gone rogue for some nefarious agenda.
Even his human companion wonders about the android's agenda when he finds the android using super-surveillance equipment to monitor situations all over the world in a secret lair.
The human asks the android to consider the possibility that his creator was not sane. The android responds, "One's creator not sane? How would you answer that question in your own case?"
It turns out the missing scientist is himself an android from another world, one of a long line of androids sent to Earth throughout history to assist it in its development. The new android, whose programming was damaged by the human scientists constructing him, needs a human to teach him the emotional side. At the end, he and the human engineer team up to assist the world, while the government agent tracking them, who discovers the real story, sacrifices his life to protect the android from being discovered and destroyed.
In essence, this movie was the exact OPPOSITE of the Terminator franchise in concept. The concept was that the human race needed help from machines - albeit androids that understood human emotions and human values.
This is similar to the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" where alien civilizations had turned over all police functions to a caste of robots.
It would be more interesting for the Terminator TV series to turn the Terminator movie franchise on its ear - and have Cameron be the one that contributes as much to the defeat of Skynet as John Connor, and to do so WITHOUT going through the whole "I need to be human" process that is a constant in such stories.
Blurring the difference between man and machine by having machines take on human emotions and humans behaving like soulless machines is all very interesting, but not so much as blurring the conflict between man and machine entirely.
James Middleton has said that future John risks the wrath of his peers by "embracing the enemy" by using reprogrammed Terminators. There is no better way to show that than in his relationship with Cameron and its effects on Sarah, the quintessential human in this series.
Sarah has every human flaw - except maliciousness - magnified to an enormous degree. John has various flaws but not nearly as many as Sarah. This is reasonable since the show technically is about Sarah Connor more than it is John Connor.
From my Transhuman standpoint, seeing the effect on Sarah Connor of John turning away from her "bald humanity" and her neo-Luddite dislike of machines from way back in her child hood days and becoming "tainted by the machines" in his relationship with Cameron and his approach to combating Skynet would be much more interesting than simply reprising James Cameron's cautionary tale one more time.
But that's just me - and I rather doubt Josh Friedman has that same vision.
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