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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 21, 2009 22:21:35 GMT -5
I'm missing something here -- what makes you think the glitch is rectifying itself? Her left hand was twitching away last night. Also, Sarah destroyed the spare left hand last night. At least I think that was a lefty she tossed into the fire. We're not even sure the bird survived. The glitch manifest itself when Cameron fights her programming to have her own free will. Obviously the bird survived. Since as the viewers are concerned they didn't see her kill the bird and I would doubt another flashback of that scene will take place showing she did kill the bird. By listening to Sarah and not going to find John she countered her mission programming and listened to Sarah's advice. If she were the Cameron in season 1 she would have just ignored Sarah and went anyways. I think in this next episode with Derek having a gun up to Cameron's head. Cameron's restraint impresses me. I think if she were 100 percent going on her programming she would have killed Derek out of self preservation without a second thought. She would have actually even considered Derek a threat and killed him already.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 21, 2009 22:50:43 GMT -5
The bird definitely survived. She was holding it with her right hand.
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Post by Alexis on Mar 21, 2009 22:53:12 GMT -5
Agreed. All god points, Valiant.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 22, 2009 0:56:49 GMT -5
And why does Sarah feel like she has to DEAL with Cameron when her glitch is rectifying itself. Because Sarah's issues with Cameron have very little to do with Cameron's glitch and a lot to do with Cameron being a terminator. Moreover, one live pigeon does not a repair make - the fact that Cameron feels the need to continue to molest the local bird population strikes me as an indication of her unease rather than a sign she's overcome her problem. As I recall it, Cameron in season one was very obedient to Sarah's commands. The bird definitely survived. She was holding it with her right hand. LOL - good point. Adapt and overcome. Clever machine.
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Post by t101 on Mar 22, 2009 2:07:25 GMT -5
I think Cameron and the bird has way more meaning than her twitchy left hand. Sarah has been wrong about Cameron before. She can't keep isolating John from anything she perceives as bad influence. He has to learn to deal with different people and machines, not everyone in his life is going to be mom or someone mom approves.. The bird definitely survived. She was holding it with her right hand. Both hands actually. Yeah, it does but I'm not quite sure why someone would take Derek. To draw John out? I'm sure they would have preferred Sarah but Derrek might do as well.
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Post by driftlight23 on Mar 22, 2009 3:25:15 GMT -5
I saw the pigeon thing as possible evidence that Cameron has now made a decision - the hand twitches usually seemed to come out of her inner conflict. Sarah's harsh words to her may have helped her to resolve something very important. No more inner conflict. No more twitch? And now we wait for the decision to be revealed, though whether it'll be in this particular episode, I'm not sure.
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Post by littleb on Mar 22, 2009 3:25:22 GMT -5
And why does Sarah feel like she has to DEAL with Cameron when her glitch is rectifying itself. ITA. Sarah doesn't know explicitly that there's a re-emergence of the glitch (not at the point we're at anyways, she could've found out by the time of the next ep) she's seen Cameron twitch once and could have put it down to the fact that she was pushing Cameron's buttons <ahem, so to speak> at the time. I'm guessing Sarah's found out about Derek/Jesse by next week - cos she's not trusting Derek either - so the glitch may also have surfaced but she has enough ongoing issues with Cameron at the moment to want to take John away. <LOL> That bird certainly looked nervous... I'm guessing the glitch may still be alive and well. Holding it in both hands doesn't imply confidence in the bad hand. If they'd shot a lovely scene of her releasing it into the sunset accompanied by soaring orchestral music, then I might believe she was all fixed. But they didn't. Also wonder why exactly Derek was shown John playing with the "complications" watch in TTDII, it seemed quite a pertinent moment. I know John mucks about with the thing at every given opportunity but it just seemed to be a red-flag moment making Derek aware of its existence. FWIW I don't think Derek's being kidnapped in this one, I reckon he's being tasered and then dragged out of the way - probably dumped somewhere. Humans are more puny than terminators, might get more than 120 seconds of incapacitation from a taser hit (Sarah was out long enough to have a big ol' dream in SMW) Well, Cameron didn't go out when she was told not to... but it seemed to take an awful lot of effort and twitching for her to stay put. As for reasons to go to Charlie... (Charley? I never know!) Maybe Sarah's motivated for medical reasons. I'm guessing whatever dubious "lump" she's found, she's found it before she heads out to see him - otherwise that'd be some weird coincidence. So his contacts might well come in useful for someone trying to live off the grid, plus he's someone to confide in because I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that she doesn't tell John.
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Post by timstuff on Mar 22, 2009 4:37:29 GMT -5
With Sarah and Cameron, it's there's this little problem involving j-e-a-l-o-u-s-y. John is now a young man at the age where he is eagerly observing his potential mate options, and it just so happens that Future!John sent his younger self a beautiful girl (who's a cyborg, but that's beside the point).
If you'll remember from "Some must watch while some must sleep," Sarah dreamed of Cameron making pancakes for John that were better than hers, Cameron knocking the snacks out of the vending machine (without breaking it), and then Cameron parading in front of John in her underwear. What this all means, is that Sarah fears Cameron will someday replace her, and will be a better guardian for John. She'll be able to fulfil all of Sarah's duties, and additionally, she has something to offer John that Sarah doesn't: romantic and sexual fulfillment, which was symbolized by Cameron in lingerie.
The next episode may offer us some new reasons for why Sarah is suddenly trying her darnedest to separate John from Cameron (she also ditched Derek, from the looks of it). However, when you get down to it, Sarah is just plain a jealous momma, and it's clouding her judgment. Sarah is more repulsed by the idea that Cameron might take her place as John's #1 woman, than she is that Cameron is a machine. If Uncle Bob were still with them, she would not be running him under this kind of scrutiny. Sarah just isn't ready to see her son united with a different woman, and she is hardly the first mother to have this dilemma.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 22, 2009 7:27:53 GMT -5
I saw the pigeon thing as possible evidence that Cameron has now made a decision - the hand twitches usually seemed to come out of her inner conflict. Sarah's harsh words to her may have helped her to resolve something very important. No more inner conflict. No more twitch? And now we wait for the decision to be revealed, though whether it'll be in this particular episode, I'm not sure. I agree, there is nothing wrong mechanically with the hand (John did replace a part, probably wasn't even needed as it didn't help). It is inner conflict about something, and I also think it looks like Cameron was on top of her problem, when she held the dove. It was interesting that last episode, she did listen to Sarah eventually (didn't follow John) and she mostly ignored John in the final scene. Did she really not notice, did she not have the reflex to (awkwardly) reach out to him (something even Weaver understands at this point, as she has attempted to do so with Savannah) or did she deliberately decide to take a back seat to Sarah, and distance herself from John?
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Post by littleb on Mar 22, 2009 7:40:46 GMT -5
With Sarah and Cameron, it's there's this little problem involving j-e-a-l-o-u-s-y. I've replied to this over in the Sarah thread seeing as it's more to do with her than 2X20... MOD NOTE - Thank youz^^.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 22, 2009 9:38:27 GMT -5
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Post by k8ie on Mar 23, 2009 0:09:34 GMT -5
OTOH, she's wearing black again in the next episode and, don't forget, Weaver heavily rocks the whites and greys.
I'm not sure a terminator wearing white is a good sign, is what I'm saying.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 23, 2009 0:25:33 GMT -5
Anyone notice how the name to this episode sounds like the name for the map room in LOST? lol
If Charley gets killed in all of this, Sarah will be to blame.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 23, 2009 0:39:02 GMT -5
If Charley gets killed in all of this, Sarah will be to blame. Of course she will. If anyone dies, Sarah is to blame.
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Post by t101 on Mar 23, 2009 2:55:22 GMT -5
This will hopefully be where all the Cameron & Derek secrets are revealed. It's about time.
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