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Post by potomac79 on Dec 5, 2008 16:33:03 GMT -5
From the promo in the woods, I was intrigued by Sarah's hesitation when Cameron was fighting the (presumed) other terminator. When Cameron was getting shot, it was like it was jarring Sarah back to the realization that Cameron is actually a machine--a machine that Sarah won't be able to easily stop if Cameron goes bad again. Or perhaps it's that Cameron is getting better at fighting the bigger terminators solo as she does it more often?
What is it with terminators opening up with under-powered weapons on another terminator? Hoping to get lucky?
Between this preview and the one with Derek and Jessie, I'm looking forward to what could be a very intense, and sometimes smile-worthy episode (hee...."or a bear." Heehee)
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Post by allergygal on Dec 5, 2008 16:59:56 GMT -5
Saw the new clips of this episode and it seems like the resistance have a submarine commandered by a triple 8.Actually i may have heard it wrong and Jesse may have said that skynet have a submarine and not the resistance. That's how I took that scene too - that the resistance has a sub and the captain is a reprogrammed machine (because apparently no sub captains survived judgement day).
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Post by traitorsgate on Dec 5, 2008 17:09:19 GMT -5
I heard the Resistance has it and the T is commanding it since ya know, perhaps no submarine commanders made it pass J-Day or whatever. And that probably explains why an Aussie is in LA w/o having been on holiday before JD It's probably already been mentioned before but James Cameron's original premise was that the Human resistance was made up primarily of Australians and various other Southern Hemisphere races as they would be in much better shape post Judgement Day as opposed to people living in the Northern hemisphere who would be utterly decimated in any Nuclear War. Ultimately though the use of American actors was born out of convenience as well as appeasing a mainstream American audience who it was felt would be unwilling to relate to a premise that required them to think beyond their own borders.
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Post by theturk on Dec 5, 2008 17:34:02 GMT -5
^^^ This scene is a direct reference to that Cameron/Wisher idea, actually. As this scene and another allude, Australia has mostly pushed Skynet back and is in good enough shape to be a source of troops and supplies to the resistance closer to the battle front lines (we'll even discover what the resistance eats!)
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Post by allergygal on Dec 5, 2008 17:42:47 GMT -5
(we'll even discover what the resistance eats!) Carrots and apples?
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Post by vicheron on Dec 5, 2008 18:03:53 GMT -5
We already know what people eat from T1 and "Allison of Palmdale," rats and garbage, better known as British food.
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Post by wb5 on Dec 5, 2008 19:37:33 GMT -5
^^^ This scene is a direct reference to that Cameron/Wisher idea, actually. As this scene and another allude, Australia has mostly pushed Skynet back and is in good enough shape to be a source of troops and supplies to the resistance closer to the battle front lines (we'll even discover what the resistance eats!) Cool. Also interesting to see that the resistance has access to such powerful hardware as a Seawolf-class nuclear submarine. I hope it survives the episode, a T888 as captain (with Jesse apparently not yet being anti turned-metal) doesn't promise much good I suppose.
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Post by t101 on Dec 5, 2008 20:04:36 GMT -5
In the clip Jesse doesn't seem to have issue with the reprogrammed terminator.
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Post by wb5 on Dec 5, 2008 20:11:30 GMT -5
Which suggest she may get issues with reprogrammed Terms because of what may happen in this episode - though I hope not.
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Post by thecolours on Dec 5, 2008 22:07:01 GMT -5
In the clip Jesse doesn't seem to have issue with the reprogrammed terminator. Perhaps, this scene is before Jesse stays with the resistance in L.A. She hasn't been around Connor's metal long enough to experience them going bad.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 6, 2008 4:27:23 GMT -5
That's how I read it, too - Jesse isn't quite that anti-metal - until maybe episode 18 where Humphrey Bogart turns her attitude around! ;D And now we know where Riley got her "carrots and apples" phrase - which means she got it from Jesse - and I think it's pretty clear she got it from her in the present, not the future. At least we know Riley's not Australian, based on her accent being 100 percent American. Again, I think the question is how much control future John has over the Resistance in other countries. Maybe as a result of issues of reprogrammed Terminators or simple nationalism (using the reprogrammed Terminators as an excuse), some of those other countries would rather someone else took the lead in the Resistance. And maybe Jesse has come back to arrange that. One thing we've seen in this series is that most of John's problems don't come from Skynet or Terminators - they come from the humans around him - his mother, Derek, Riley, high school kids, other people involved in the whole scene, criminals, etc. Maybe he has more problems with the Resistance than the "messiah" label suggests he would.
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Post by littleb on Dec 6, 2008 9:38:53 GMT -5
We already know what people eat from T1 and "Allison of Palmdale," rats and garbage, better known as British food. <gasps> How rude! I'll have you know I make a mean toad in t'hole and a damn fine hot pot. And I make my pancakes from scratch
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Post by traitorsgate on Dec 6, 2008 15:46:58 GMT -5
Again, I think the question is how much control future John has over the Resistance in other countries. Maybe as a result of issues of reprogrammed Terminators or simple nationalism (using the reprogrammed Terminators as an excuse), some of those other countries would rather someone else took the lead in the Resistance. And maybe Jesse has come back to arrange that. This has always been one of the major short-comings of the whole Terminator franchise, that is to say that John Connor is Mankind's only hope - based on what? His knowledge of fighting Bots in the present? Well that may well be of some value in the short term particularly initially but the whole idea of him being able to lead mankind on a Global scale especially when he's living in a country that would have been completely decimated in a Nuclear War while many other very powerful countries (Namely Australia & South Africa) would still be largely intact is more than a little contrived. It's not so much a question of Nationalism in the traditional understanding of the word but rather in order for a Human resistance to operate effectively it needs military leadership on a strategic level as well as some form of pseudo political leadership both of which could only realistically come from outside of Nth America, most likely from one of the two aforementioned Southern Hemisphere Nations. In all likelihood John Connor would only ever be able to exert control at a tactical level within the SoCal region (assuming for the sake of argument that's where he is post JD) which could conceivably bring him into conflict with the Human Resistance outside of his little sphere of influence. Either way the whole Messiah concept (for lack of a better term) is born out of Hollywood's desire to base a hero figure around something they can market, read the Hollywood Leading Man concept as opposed to a realistic concept of Human society in a post Nuclear War environment.
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Post by vicheron on Dec 6, 2008 20:11:12 GMT -5
John Connor is also in the front lines. If John Connor wasn't fighting Skynet in its backyard, then the machines would win. Without John Connor, Skynet would be rebuilding the U.S. military, that means strategic bombers, ballistic missiles, probably even orbital weapons. What are other countries going to do about that? How are they going to stop Tomahawk missiles being fired from hundreds of miles away in the ocean, B-52 bombers dropping biological and chemical weapon payloads from 40,000 feet in the air, and nukes launched from satellites? They'll all be dead before they realize what's happening The fact that John Connor is so close to Skynet forces it to reallocate resources to build more ground forces. Not to mention the fact that John Connor will be constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts in building weapons that humans have little defense against.
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Post by traitorsgate on Dec 7, 2008 3:47:24 GMT -5
John Connor is also in the front lines. If John Connor wasn't fighting Skynet in its backyard, then the machines would win. Without John Connor, Skynet would be rebuilding the U.S. military, that means strategic bombers, ballistic missiles, probably even orbital weapons. What are other countries going to do about that? How are they going to stop Tomahawk missiles being fired from hundreds of miles away in the ocean, B-52 bombers dropping biological and chemical weapon payloads from 40,000 feet in the air, and nukes launched from satellites? They'll all be dead before they realize what's happening The fact that John Connor is so close to Skynet forces it to reallocate resources to build more ground forces. Not to mention the fact that John Connor will be constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts in building weapons that humans have little defense against. The United States, post Nuclear war would be but a skip & a hop away from the Stone Age, with it's military infrastructure bearing the brunt of any Nuclear retaliation from Russia and or China. Ever since the Cold war there have been numerous studies that all come to the same conclusion, that post WWIII the United States would effectively cease to exist.
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