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Post by vicheron on Dec 7, 2008 4:13:44 GMT -5
John Connor is also in the front lines. If John Connor wasn't fighting Skynet in its backyard, then the machines would win. Without John Connor, Skynet would be rebuilding the U.S. military, that means strategic bombers, ballistic missiles, probably even orbital weapons. What are other countries going to do about that? How are they going to stop Tomahawk missiles being fired from hundreds of miles away in the ocean, B-52 bombers dropping biological and chemical weapon payloads from 40,000 feet in the air, and nukes launched from satellites? They'll all be dead before they realize what's happening The fact that John Connor is so close to Skynet forces it to reallocate resources to build more ground forces. Not to mention the fact that John Connor will be constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts in building weapons that humans have little defense against. The United States, post Nuclear war would be but a skip & a hop away from the Stone Age, with it's military infrastructure bearing the brunt of any Nuclear retaliation from Russia and or China. Ever since the Cold war there have been numerous studies that all come to the same conclusion, that post WWIII the United States would effectively cease to exist. Skynet obviously managed to scrape together all the resources it needed for an army of machines along with new technologies far superior to what we've created. Without John Connor and his plucky band of rebels, Skynet would be making strategic bombers and ballistic missiles to blow away its enemies from hundreds of miles away instead of HK's and T series for a draw out ground war. |
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Post by t101 on Dec 7, 2008 4:18:04 GMT -5
John Connor is also in the front lines. If John Connor wasn't fighting Skynet in its backyard, then the machines would win. Without John Connor, Skynet would be rebuilding the U.S. military, that means strategic bombers, ballistic missiles, probably even orbital weapons. What are other countries going to do about that? How are they going to stop Tomahawk missiles being fired from hundreds of miles away in the ocean, B-52 bombers dropping biological and chemical weapon payloads from 40,000 feet in the air, and nukes launched from satellites? They'll all be dead before they realize what's happening The fact that John Connor is so close to Skynet forces it to reallocate resources to build more ground forces. Not to mention the fact that John Connor will be constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts in building weapons that humans have little defense against. The whole point is that US will be gone. You'd be rebuilding it from scratch, in that case it really makes no difference where you start. BTW tomahawk missiles only fly 2500km and are relatively slow, modern air defense kills them. |
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Post by vicheron on Dec 7, 2008 4:42:38 GMT -5
John Connor is also in the front lines. If John Connor wasn't fighting Skynet in its backyard, then the machines would win. Without John Connor, Skynet would be rebuilding the U.S. military, that means strategic bombers, ballistic missiles, probably even orbital weapons. What are other countries going to do about that? How are they going to stop Tomahawk missiles being fired from hundreds of miles away in the ocean, B-52 bombers dropping biological and chemical weapon payloads from 40,000 feet in the air, and nukes launched from satellites? They'll all be dead before they realize what's happening The fact that John Connor is so close to Skynet forces it to reallocate resources to build more ground forces. Not to mention the fact that John Connor will be constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts in building weapons that humans have little defense against. The whole point is that US will be gone. You'd be rebuilding it from scratch, in that case it really makes no difference where you start. BTW tomahawk missiles only fly 2500km and are relatively slow, modern air defense kills them. Skynet is based in the United States, that's where it has to rebuild. Without John Connor and his forces constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts, it will be able to build the long range weapons that can devastate its enemies from miles away. Instead, Skynet has to build tanks and infantry to fight off the enemies that are at its doorstep. Who in the post Judgment Day world has the air defenses to shoot down Tomahawks? Saddam wasn't able to do much about them during the first Gulf War and that was a time when Iraq had one of the top 20 most powerful and advanced military forces in the world. All the countries that had the weapons and technology to defeat even WW2 era missiles will be decimated on Judgment Day. |
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Post by t101 on Dec 7, 2008 6:17:10 GMT -5
Skynet is based in the United States, that's where it has to rebuild. Without John Connor and his forces constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts, it will be able to build the long range weapons that can devastate its enemies from miles away. Instead, Skynet has to build tanks and infantry to fight off the enemies that are at its doorstep. We can agree that JC is on the front lines. Yes. But I would not be so fast to judge what's easier hiding out in bunkers far away or being right there in the face of Skynet. No one post JD would have Tomahawks. That's the point. And it goes both ways. The thing about being somewhere other than US or Russia (or any former nuclear power) chances are you have superior infrastructure still standing and time. Saddam did not have the appropriate means to do much. |
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Post by vicheron on Dec 7, 2008 6:50:28 GMT -5
Skynet is based in the United States, that's where it has to rebuild. Without John Connor and his forces constantly sabotaging Skynet's efforts, it will be able to build the long range weapons that can devastate its enemies from miles away. Instead, Skynet has to build tanks and infantry to fight off the enemies that are at its doorstep. We can agree that JC is on the front lines. Yes. But I would not be so fast to judge what's easier hiding out in bunkers far away or being right there in the face of Skynet. No one post JD would have Tomahawks. That's the point. And it goes both ways. The thing about being somewhere other than US or Russia (or any former nuclear power) chances are you have superior infrastructure still standing and time. Saddam did not have the appropriate means to do much. I'm not sure what you're talking about but I'm talking about Skynet and why John Connor is so important in the war. Skynet has obviously built up quite an army. My point is that if John Connor and his forces weren't there to fight Skynet on its home turf then it will be able to build more powerful weapons that can eradicate the rest of the world from miles away. John Connor is the reason why Skynet hasn't been able to build a fleet of strategic bombers, an arsenal of missiles, deadly chemical and biological weapons that wipe out not only humans but also animals and plants humans need to survive, and satellite based weaponry. That's why John Connor is considered the savior of the human race. |
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Post by t101 on Dec 7, 2008 7:08:55 GMT -5
Is it? Because actually it makes no sense to me why Skynet didn't just make the place uninhabitable for people, I don't see what John Connor could do about it if he couldn't stop Skynet from building armies of terminators. But I'll just suspend disbelieve and enjoy.
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Post by vicheron on Dec 7, 2008 7:47:11 GMT -5
Making the earth uninhabitable by humans is a monumental task that would require vast amounts of resources. Just look at the amount of pollution we've created over the last 100 years and it has barely made an impact on humans. In order for Skynet to make the planet inhospitable to humans, it would have to greatly exceed our current level of pollution.
The fact that Skynet has to build Terminators and HK's means that it can't build strategic bombers, missiles, and all those other weapons that humans have little defense against. Skynet wouldn't have to build so many heavily armed war machines if it wasn't facing heavy resistance from the Resistance.
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Post by wb5 on Dec 7, 2008 8:19:37 GMT -5
No one post JD would have Tomahawks. That's the point. Actually, isn't the "Jimmy Carter", modified Seawolf-class submarine, normally equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles (for underwater launch) as part of its arsenal? This sub is apparently making supply runs for the resistance between Australia and the US, captained by a reprogammed T888, and maybe it still has some of its armaments. It probably isn't the only sub to survive, as the whereabouts of many subs at sea would be unknown to Skynet. As to why John Connor is that important, obviously because the first movie required a Christ-like figure. We can say though, that Connor is leading the resistance in the region where Skynet is based (do other regions even recognise his authority, or do they merely cooperate as equals and allies?), and as such he is well-placed to go on the offensive against Skynet. Which he does in the end, when he takes Skynet's time machine, and he also does it by reprogramming Skynet's own machines against it. Even a relatively intact Australia presumably couldn't do much, offensively, against a Skynet operating from somewhere in protected bases in the US. Another thought: if the resistance has a sub, it could possibly sink Skynet's aircraft carrier (aka "the arc", feauted in "Allison of Palmdale") quite easily, unless Skynet has added some sophisticated sensors and defenses against subs. At least, if it is aware that Skynet has a more or less intact aircraft carrier, and where it is. |
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Post by t101 on Dec 7, 2008 9:22:54 GMT -5
The fact that Skynet has to build Terminators and HK's means that it can't build strategic bombers, missiles, and all those other weapons that humans have little defense against. Skynet wouldn't have to build so many heavily armed war machines if it wasn't facing heavy resistance from the Resistance. I do not find this believable. And really still don't get how humanity didn't just die of radiation, they shouldn't survive on the surface. Maybe all the weapons had already been spent in the conflict. |
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 7, 2008 10:33:29 GMT -5
Jesse is sure laying the Aussie accent on thick. Usually it's easy to understand her.
I guess we'll learn more about the bond between Jesse and Derek. It seems even stronger than the one between Derek and John. I got a bad feeling that Derek will eventually betray John.
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Post by Ace on Dec 7, 2008 13:23:17 GMT -5
Any word on if General Perry is in this episode? Or is that all still rumor at this point? I'm a huge fan of the Future War especially when the writers give us little Easter Eggs that relate back to the first movie.
Needless to say anything about the 132nd would be awesome to hear about.
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Post by t101 on Dec 7, 2008 13:36:33 GMT -5
www.imdb.com/name/nm0489594/This guy is listed to play Governor Wyman not only for the last episode but this one as well. So we might get a glimpse of why he is important.
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Post by theturk on Dec 7, 2008 14:59:52 GMT -5
Peter Mensah, aka General Perry appears in this episode. Consider it confirmed. It's more a "dudes in a bunker" than a combat-heavy future war segment, but I think it tells a pretty darn compelling story.
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Post by Ace on Dec 7, 2008 18:46:51 GMT -5
Peter Mensah, aka General Perry appears in this episode. Consider it confirmed. It's more a "dudes in a bunker" than a combat-heavy future war segment, but I think it tells a pretty darn compelling story. Excellent... that's awesome! I knew it had been suggested and was on imdb but you can never know with that website. I don't mind the "dudes in a bunker" scenes with the television show. I'll watch my Terminator dvd for my future war fix. Ironically the lowest budget film out of them all has the most future war scenes? Though I guess to be fair they had a better reason to display them with Kyle Reese. Much as the series does with Derek. Whereas the last two films didn't have any future war connection. I'm hoping we get another "Hang In There Baby" line from somebody. LOL Ace |
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Post by vicheron on Dec 7, 2008 19:27:07 GMT -5
The fact that Skynet has to build Terminators and HK's means that it can't build strategic bombers, missiles, and all those other weapons that humans have little defense against. Skynet wouldn't have to build so many heavily armed war machines if it wasn't facing heavy resistance from the Resistance. I do not find this believable. And really still don't get how humanity didn't just die of radiation, they shouldn't survive on the surface. That's because gamma radiation is just high energy photons. It works in the same way as light coming from a light bulb. Once you turn the light bulb off, there's no more light. Nuclear weapons deliver a massive burst of gamma radiation but that's it. It's like a giant trillion watt light bulb that gets turned on for a split second. Sure, there will be radioactive material lying around but there won't be nearly enough to severely impact humans. |
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