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Post by tom on Nov 10, 2008 11:34:03 GMT -5
But if they did, one thing would be certain - their failure. So, although they don't know if they'll succeed it seems logic to try anyway rather then just wait for it to happen. Maybe I get hit by a car, but I walk home anyways cause I don't want to die at work.
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Post by t101 on Nov 10, 2008 11:54:59 GMT -5
^ He is joking. It's the scenario of Red Alert the video the game.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 10, 2008 11:56:54 GMT -5
Second, by that logic, it's possible the Connors themselves could be responsible for the creation of Skynet since they knew the most about it. It's also possible that Dyson's kids and his wife could also be responsible for the creation of neural net processor so they have to be eliminated as well. As long as they don't tell anyone about it, they will not be responsible for the creation of Skynet. But there's no way to ensure that won't happen just as there is no way to ensure that Miles Dyson wouldn't have tried to create the chip again. If they kill Andy then it would mean that they may not be able to get as much information as they need from him. As said many times before, killing people is not the only way to prevent Judgment Day. If they don't do it the way you want them to do it does not mean they can't stop Judgment Day. The very fact that the deaths of both Miles Dyson and Andy Goode hasn't prevented Judgment Day shows that it doesn't work. Play Red Alert. You're ignoring the fact that they have experience. They're not going into it with absolutely no idea of what will happen. They have been through this with Miles Dyson. They benefited by keeping Miles Dyson alive and even though they weren't able to prevent Judgment Day, they delayed it for more than a decade. Had they just killed Dyson, they wouldn't have found out about the chip and the hand from the last Terminator, they wouldn't have been able to destroy all his work, and they would have had a much harder time getting into Cyberdyne. What's more, Tarissa Dyson would have been hostile towards them and they wouldn't have found out that Andy Goode built the new Skynet.
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Post by chrisimo on Nov 10, 2008 12:34:48 GMT -5
As long as they don't tell anyone about it, they will not be responsible for the creation of Skynet. But there's no way to ensure that won't happen just as there is no way to ensure that Miles Dyson wouldn't have tried to create the chip again. Right, I'll give you that. But they have a lot more control over themselves and who they talk about what than they have over Miles Dyson or Andy Goode. If they kill Andy then it would mean that they may not be able to get as much information as they need from him. Yes, just like they may not be able to get as much information as they need from him if they let him live. What kind of informations do you talk about, anyway? As said many times before, killing people is not the only way to prevent Judgment Day. If they don't do it the way you want them to do it does not mean they can't stop Judgment Day. I never said anything different. The problem is that Sarah prepared herself for shooting him. The very fact that the deaths of both Miles Dyson and Andy Goode hasn't prevented Judgment Day shows that it doesn't work. No, it doesn't show that. For one, Andy Goode was killed after he build the second Turk and the Turk was already lost. Second, detroying Miles Dyson's work and his death delayed Judgement Day. That gives us a hint that others may develop Skynet but it is no proof. If the Connor's would know that Judgement Day cannot be prevented they could either decide to lie down or try to delay it's arrival. And for that, killing people might prove a viable option as well. You're ignoring the fact that they have experience. They're not going into it with absolutely no idea of what will happen. They have been through this with Miles Dyson. They benefited by keeping Miles Dyson alive and even though they weren't able to prevent Judgment Day, they delayed it for more than a decade. Had they just killed Dyson, they wouldn't have found out about the chip and the hand from the last Terminator, they wouldn't have been able to destroy all his work, and they would have had a much harder time getting into Cyberdyne. What's more, Tarissa Dyson would have been hostile towards them and they wouldn't have found out that Andy Goode built the new Skynet. And yet, somehow, Sarah ignores all her experience and does not talk to Andy Goode but instead burns his house. But if they did, one thing would be certain - their failure. So, although they don't know if they'll succeed it seems logic to try anyway rather then just wait for it to happen. The problem here is saying that killing Andy Goode doesn't help because someone else will build Skynet. Like that's a proven thing. In if you assume that Judgement Day will happen anyway and you can do nothing to prevent it then you could just as well stop trying to prevent it.
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Post by cyadon on Nov 10, 2008 12:41:52 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: This thread seems to be meandering off topic in regards to discussing the topic of episode 2x07 Brothers of Nablus. If you have things that are specifically about that episode, please continue to post in this thread.
If you would like to continue to further discuss the motivations and moral standing of Sarah Connor, you can post in her thread in the Character/Ship discussion forum.
Now, let's get back to the topic at hand.
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Post by melchizedek on Nov 15, 2008 7:10:13 GMT -5
Not sure whether this has been mentioned elsewhere, but during the cosy bedroom scene you'd have thought John might have asked Cameron....."While we're chatting, what was all that 'you love me' stuff about, back when we were trying to kill each other?" Even if chalked down to a broken chip, you'd still think it was something worth asking about. Mind you, I suppose this is TV. For years watching "Lost" I've been wondering why no-one ever sits Ben Linus (or one of the others) down and asks "Look, what the hell's going on here?" But I suppose that would solve the mystery and finish the series off pretty quickly
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Post by chrisimo on Nov 15, 2008 8:38:11 GMT -5
Not sure whether this has been mentioned elsewhere, but during the cosy bedroom scene you'd have thought John might have asked Cameron....."While we're chatting, what was all that 'you love me' stuff about, back when we were trying to kill each other?" Even if chalked down to a broken chip, you'd still think it was something worth asking about. Mind you, I suppose this is TV. For years watching "Lost" I've been wondering why no-one ever sits Ben Linus (or one of the others) down and asks "Look, what the hell's going on here?" But I suppose that would solve the mystery and finish the series off pretty quickly Yeah, but this is a general problem with Cameron and the Connors, in my opinion. If I were John Connor, I would talk a lot more to her, to understand her. Even if I were Sarah I would do that. But it is easier for the writers to not do that, because the more Cameron talks, the more they have to explain and the greater the possibility that they contradict their own writing.
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Post by timstuff on Nov 16, 2008 4:58:49 GMT -5
Not sure whether this has been mentioned elsewhere, but during the cosy bedroom scene you'd have thought John might have asked Cameron....."While we're chatting, what was all that 'you love me' stuff about, back when we were trying to kill each other?" Even if chalked down to a broken chip, you'd still think it was something worth asking about. Mind you, I suppose this is TV. For years watching "Lost" I've been wondering why no-one ever sits Ben Linus (or one of the others) down and asks "Look, what the hell's going on here?" But I suppose that would solve the mystery and finish the series off pretty quickly Yeah, but this is a general problem with Cameron and the Connors, in my opinion. If I were John Connor, I would talk a lot more to her, to understand her. Even if I were Sarah I would do that. But it is easier for the writers to not do that, because the more Cameron talks, the more they have to explain and the greater the possibility that they contradict their own writing. In the case of Sarah, I don't think she wants to know more about Cameron. She sees her as a machine-- a tool that they can use, and if she goes bad they can destroy her. If Sarah learns too much about Cameron, she'll start thinking of her as a person, and if she starts thinking of her as a person, there's a chance that she could become attached. After all, God forbid that the Sarah Connor starts looking at a terminator like she's her own daughter. And as for John, he doesn't ask more about Cameron because he knows that it's "inappropriate." Deep down, I think John has a thing for Cammy, but he knows if he acts on it, his mom is going to shut them both down. He does not want to get attached to Cameron, because it's already happening. If John had remained cold and emotionally distant to Cameron in the first season the way Sarah does, he probably would not have reactivated her. He viewed her as a person though, and she was a person he cared about so he had to save her. Now though, he's trying to pull back. When Cameron told him "you can't be trusted," his hopes and desires kind of got dashed on the rocks, and now it's back to square one. He's brought Riley into his life in order to give him someone to divert his feelings towards, even if he's living a lie. He does not want to try and get closer to Cameron, because he feels like it will only make things more painful if his mom busts them. He's still a teenage boy, and he wants to avoid the repercussions of falling in love with a cyborg.
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