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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 24, 2008 6:34:26 GMT -5
My takes: 1) I like Riley in terms of a) she's built! and b) she obviously makes it more difficult for John to go psycho like his mother has. I'm not sure she's going to be all that relevant in future episodes without getting killed at some point. In fact, it could be that Josh has brought her on as a "one-season" precisely to get John laid - and then kill off his one and only girlfriend in his life, which will really motivate him to stomp Terminators - and/or conceivably could re-activate the John-Cameron axis which appears to be somewhat at hiatus at the moment, thanks to Cameron being wacky. 2) Busy Phillips is a waste of time - expect to see her get killed early on. Otherwise, not really a factor. 3) I believe the ENTIRE point of this episode for Skynet was to get control of that power plant. Skynet, Weaver and the Greenway bot didn't care if it melted down or not - although they wouldn't have minded contaminating Los Angeles. The important thing was the fact that ANY trouble allowed them to establish Skynet-aware "automation" in not only THAT plant, but SIX others - no doubt scattered precisely over the US to cover the entire area. It's even possible that Skynet may not be relying on nuclear weapons in the future - but also the ability to melt down any nuclear plant it wants - as well as keeping power away from the Resistance. It's even possible that the "automation" they intend to put into the plant is an integral part of the "evolving" Skynet apparatus. I never bought that the ARTIE system from last system was actually going to be Skynet's "nervous system" - a surveillance system, sure, but a bunch of programs to do surveillance and control traffic lights simply wouldn't be adequate to host the actual Skynet system. However, it could well be that Skynet is arranging for all sorts of systems to be designed and built in the past intended to aid either its existence and/or its fight against the Resistance, and both ARTIE and this nuclear plant system are parts of that. 4) Cameron seduces men better than Sarah does! ;D ;D ;D Sarah comes across as a friendly, attractive divorcee. Cameron comes across as hot lightning! That bar pool segment ended up getting posted at Superiorpics celebrity babe picture site and presumably all over the Net. If Cameron ran the routine on John that she ran on those pool guys, he'd melt into a puddle! ;D ;D ;D OTOH, it would tip her hand. And this is a girl who took up ballet because she was so shy she couldn't talk to people, and still had to take an assertiveness course when she came to LA! One thing I wished they'd done - after she cleaned those guys out, they should have gotten mean, hauled her into the alley, accused her of being a hustler (which they should have known she was), and tried to force her to give the money back. Then we could have enjoyed watching her beat the crap out them! But this way was just as good - the little smirky smile as she counted her money was priceless! God, I love that girl! 5) Having Weaver metamorphose at the end was overkill for US, but the writers and the director knows you've got to telegraph this stuff, or half the audience just won't get it. Having the guy just talk about automating the plant at the end just wouldn't have brought it home to the audience what was going on. 6) Speaking of which - where are the Connors on this? If they're smart, they're following up on everything that happens at that plant subsequent to the accident. Are they that dumb that they assume that beating Skynet once means it gives up??! If they do follow up, they would instantly see that the "Automite" automation project is just a front for Skynet. And THAT would let them work back to Weaver! Right now, they have no idea where The Turk is, they know nothing about Weaver and they have no contact with Ellison, who is obviously going to be the show's "point man" for revealing facts about Weaver. Charley is the lynch pin between the Connors and Ellison - especially since episode 3! It's really dangerous that Weaver knows about the Connors (but not where they actually are), but they know nothing about her. 7) Sarah needs to chill out about that cancer business. She already KNOWS she was at risk but she jumped over that! The doctor TOLD her she has no current risk factors. All she has to do is keep getting regular checkups and catch it early enough. She could beat it for years that way even if she is at risk. Greenway was an example of that. Besides which, if she doesn't beat Judgment Day, she's dead meat anyway...which gives her four years more max, depending on how effective they are at changing the time line. So worry about cancer is just another example of how she's basically losing it. Woman needs to get laid and relieve some stress! I volunteer! ;D ;D ;D Instead of hooking her up with Derek, they're going to bring on some Aussie actress to hook up with Derek. So Derek will have the new babe, John will have Riley - and Sarah is stuck with herself. Maybe she'll hook up with Cameron! I'd pay to watch that!
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 24, 2008 12:46:22 GMT -5
And I thought I was obsessed.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 28, 2008 5:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by aceplace57 on Oct 7, 2008 14:13:04 GMT -5
Events in Goodbye to All that made me rethink Sarah's mission in Automatic. Wouldn't it have been better to protect Greenway? Greenway was a very careful engineer that wouldn't have started the plant until all the problems were fixed.
The promos for Tower have John saying the list on the wall is people that need protecting. It's a shame they didn't figure that out sooner.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 8, 2008 21:03:52 GMT -5
Good point.
There are two issues:
1) How do you convince the person you're protecting that you're not completely nuts? Well - Cameron is a pretty good convincer.
2) How do you maintain control of the person afterward? Why assume Skynet will give up if it fails once. That was the Connors mistake about the nuclear plant - not following up. Fortunately Ellison did.
For instance, in GTAT, the boy goes home to his parents - and the FBI. What does he tell them? Does he do a forensic artists sketch of Sarah's face? Now the Connors have (another) kidnapping added to their Federal charges (in addition to Miles Dyson).
How do you control the protectee and keep protecting them?
Obviously, as others have suggested, the Connors really ought to be expanding their team rather than trying to keep the whole thing under wraps forever. It's not going to work with them cutting a path of destruction through LA every week. Perhaps they start by cutting everybody in who's being threatened by the Skynet minions.
Look at what Blade did in the first Blade movie? He rescued a doctor, told her the story about the war against vampires, used her as bait, then she essentially recruited herself into the team. Same thing with Whistler's daughter and her "Night Stalkers" associates.
This is what the Connors should be doing - recruiting new fighters NOW for the present and future war. People who can seriously expand their abilities to deal with Skynet's plots.
Hiding out in a house, trying to appear normal while hiding M-79 grenade launchers and worrying about when some Terminator is going to follow you home, while going up against an endless number of robot assassins from the future really is a poor strategy.
Speaking about that last - how long will it be before some Terminator figures out that baiting the Connors with another Terminator or a victim like Michelle Dixon , then following them home and blowing up the whole building - just like Sarkissian tried - is the best strategy?
Maybe Weaver has already implemented that strategy using Ellison.
The Connors are out of their depth. They need help. And I happen to know just who could provide that help. ;D ;D
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Post by Big Brother on Oct 8, 2008 23:49:35 GMT -5
Yeah, every time they run into another person targeted for termination, they need to sit them down, tell them the whole story, show them what Cameron can do, and then say something along these lines: "You have two choices. First, you can go back to your life. We won't try to stop you. We do ask that you not tell anyone, because not everyone will understand, and breaking secrecy could lead terminators back to you, or back to us. Your other choice...is to join us. Help us fight Skynet here and now, help us protect others targeted for termination, help us stop Skynet from ever being created in the first place, help us save the entire human race from extinction and save literally billions of lives. It won't be easy, and it won't be safe, but we need all the help we can get."
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Post by littleb on Nov 9, 2009 6:56:47 GMT -5
I'm still playing around on my shiny-disc rewatch... <rant mode on> And speaking of those shiny discs. Did they really need to put a trailer for Salvation on EVERY bloody disc?! I'm still not going to buy it. Apparently, they didn't have space for decent deleted scenes (i.e. any with Sarah) but they could fit that trailer onto the set six times over. <gnashes teeth> <takes a deep breath> <rant mode off> Anyhoo, where were we? One good thing about the discs? The "skip prologue" option. I'd forgotten how much pure cheese and ham that horrible S2 opening thing was. Pretty, pretty pictures but that voice-over was just terrible, and probably put more people off watching the show than Samson & Delilah's pop video! I kinda like Automatic, but I kinda like bits of it really. As an episode it doesn't hang together very well. As separate scenes of character-goodness, it's quite nice. Always loved the bullet flying out of the guy's chest, as an SFX that was tres cool. Not sure - given it looks like it should've pretty much shredded his heart - that he'd have had the time to get all the way to the Connor's new abode, write a load of stuff on a wall and then collapse dramatically in their living room but maybe that's just being too damn nit-picky! With what we know about Cam's behaviour through the rest of the season (i.e. her blatant attempts to seduce John when it suits whatever the hell her agenda is) her comments here: "You can't be trusted anymore," are a little confusing. She warns him off risking his life to fix her, for fear of upsetting his Future comrades, but subsequently spends a lot of time messing with his emotions to the point where we're left with his decision to jump through time just for her in Born to Run... I know Cam had her own agenda, and we never really got to the bottom of it, but she's the very definition of mixed-messages here. And, for someone who went against everyone he trusts to resurrect Cam in the last episode, John's awful snippy to her in this one... One redeeming moment for the Future Leader of Humanity; the school corridor scene. As all the kids who actually get to be kids head off to class, John just stands and watches, completely isolated, still bruised up, and just not having the energy to even pretend to fit in anymore. For all the moments when he acts like a pillock, I did actually feel a pang of sympathy for him there. And I always did like Riley. Straight off the bat. Plus, it's very nice to see a curvy, not typically stick-thin and air-brushed female character who actually likes to eat! (and knowing she's from the future, it makes sense she would be quite fond of good food.) Apparently - thanks to Retcon!John - John suspected Riley from the outset. Bearing in mind that the last schoolgirl to show an unusual interest in John was a terminator, isn't he a little quick to get friendly and hand over the phone protocols? He might have suspected she was a future send-back straight away, but - if she's remaining incognito - the odds are not good that she was actually working for the Resistance and not Skynet. I guess if she was a terminator she would just have offed him there and then, but she could've been biding her time and waiting for him to take her home to meet the whole crew which - obligingly - John immediately goes and does. Takes a lot of risks this boy. I know a lot of people didn't like the S2 house, but having Sarah about to try and doze on a nice, plush sofa with "Enjoy, Relax, Dream" over her head, just before a dying resistance fighter crashes through the door and bleeds out everywhere was kinda funny. I suspect Sarah would care if her arm was broken, and she'd certainly know about it a day later, but in terms of pure Derek and Sarah goodness - pure, snarky, bitter and sweet goodness - I do love that scene. I cannot, no matter how hard I try, love the Sarah/Cameron "Car accident" line (sorry AG!) I know it was supposed to be a bit of fun, but this is one day after Cameron went on a rampage and tried to wipe out the Connors. Sarah doesn't trust her, she barely tolerates her, they would not be cracking wise and grinning at each other. Fun bits with Charley in this ep. Fun bit 1. "I don't love her anymore babe, not like that." I think, if I'd been Michelle, I would've closed my fist and made that slap into a punch. Fun bit 2. Agent Stick-my Nose into Everyone's Business handing Charley a bible for the journey. Gee thanks man. Couldn't find me a really big gun... or a flak jacket? Y'know, something that might actually be useful next week when the terminator kidnaps my wife?! Good to know the dude who forces Sarah into an unnecessary scrub-down gets his comeuppance, even if we have to wait an episode or so for it to happen... Although it was a bit of a daft sort of stand-alone, there's some very nice character beats for Sarah. Her taking point in the investigation, chasing up leads, going all under-cover and making smoke rings. Action!Sarah. Although Action!Sarah won't avoid radiation poisoning by putting her sleeve over her mouth. Clever people, like Derek, go around... And the cancer raises its ugly head again - the only time we really see Sarah's facade slip. She can cope with the bullets, torture, or machines going on a rampage but the thought of a killer just waiting inside her own body seems to completely (and understandably) freak her out. 'Specially seeing as the writing is already on the wall - no pun intended - for that battle, and it doesn't end well for her. Speaking of writing on the wall (heh). The blood wall. Thanks Fox. It was a gimmick and a hook into more standalones but - thinking about it - it didn't actually lead to that many episodes. The three dots took on a life of their own, Sherman's episode became an arc and resulted in some really good character writing. Alpine Fields was more the Terminator of the Week effort but was kinda fun all the same. Could've been worse then... but I still reckon that dude would've been better off with a sheet of paper and a pen
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Post by allergygal on Nov 24, 2009 4:29:20 GMT -5
I'd forgotten how much pure cheese and ham that horrible S2 opening thing was. Pretty, pretty pictures but that voice-over was just terrible What, you don't like generic male-voiced intro that pretended The Sarah Connor Chronicles was The John Connor Show? I loved it... just like I loved that they got rid of those pesky Sarah voiceovers. I totally agree. I liked Automatic (still do) because it does have so many great character moments, but the power plant story really wasn't good. I remember people grumbling about how fast Sarah and Cameron got jobs there, but whatever, I could swallow that part. I just think the overall story was weak and full of cliched characters. It was a very cool effect, but I'm still miffed we don't know who pulled the trigger. I guess I'll stick with my belief that it was Jesse. Oh wait! I bet it was a grey. Fischer needed to get to a time machine to get himself to 2008, so he and his greys were probably invading the time chamber and shot that guy when he was going through. That makes sense, right? Blood wall = FAIL. It makes no sense at all that he did that. And I'm jumping ahead a bit here: If the three dots weren't just smudges on a wall and they were supposed to be a message of some sort, that is EPIC FAIL. He could write out names and numbers, but not "Turk"? But really, I think the soldier was left-handed and those were finger smudges where he rested his right hand while writing. And Sarah was just fraking nuts (MORE FAIL). I guess we're supposed to assume Jesse's kind is who Cameron was referring too. If so, though, Jesse would've come from the timeline after Cam glitched and John put her chip back in (but obviously was a timeline that did not end up with John jumping to future war). I'm not even going to attempt to figure out Cameron at this point. She's so back and forth and confusing. I wonder how much her chip damage altered her agenda. It's too early in this season 2 rewatch to figure her out (if it's even possible). Yeah, WTF, John? She saves your life, remember? SHE SAAAAAAVES YOU! So you throw that in your mom's face and stick her chip back in, only to turn around and be all pissy with her. Maybe John is also a machine and he glitched too. It would sure explain a lot. That was truly a haunting scene. It was really stupid that John even went to school the morning after all hell had broken loose, but the kids rushing by in the hallway made me forgive it. I did too. Her introduction was awesome and I had high hopes for the character. Her story bored me as the season progressed, though. One cool thing I noticed about Riley that I never caught before is how she is the complete opposite of Cameron in every way. Riley is blond, full figured, loud, she likes to eat, she's a smartass, and she won't take no for an answer. When you think back to Cameron meeting John in the pilot, it's a total contrast. Hehehe. This is why you have to discard the ridiculous notion that John knew anything before "bleached skulls!". At this point in the season, he's just lonely boy who's happy to have a human girl pay attention to him. handing out the protocols to strange new girl was pretty stupid, though. When the future leader of the resistance rebels, he simply throws all training and smarts out the window. The only thing I liked about the new house was the "Enjoy, Relax, Dream" on the wall. And that scene when Sarah decided to do just that, only seconds before bloody future soldier busted in, was just awesome. I think that scene (and the one talking to Derek that follows) were brilliant in showing how Sarah is more or less following future!John's orders. Despite the fractured relationship she and John have in the present all season, she and future!John really are a team. Though I have wondered if it's not future!Sarah who sent that soldier since I think future!John might be dead at that point. She could have a hairline fracture and not know it, couldn't she? I think the point of her "I don't care" was to accentuate the fact that you don't get time to lick your wounds or rest when you're Sarah Connor. My favorite part of that scene was when she got in Derek's face about killing, though. It was about freaking time! Hee. I don't fault your logic one bit. I know it's totally out OOC for Sarah to be relaxed and enjoying herself with Cameron given yesterday's events. But no matter how hard I try, I can't not smile when I watch the cartoon-viewing scene and the "CAR ACCIDENT" scene. Charley definitely deserved that slap! He already had a gun. He apparently didn't think to keep it handy on the drive, though (not that it would've helped). But that's Ellison logic for you: Got a machine after you? Take a Bible. Want to save the world from killer robots? Don't burn them, resurrect them! Wow. I can feel an Ellison rant starting already. I better save that for later. That's why I can't dislike this episode, even though the story itself is weak. Sarah might be freaking out about radiation and cancer all episode, but she always lets the mission take priority over her well-being (just like not caring if she has a broken arm). And clever people like Derek arrive too late to be of any use. He did, however, manage to drive his DODGE RAM onto the plant grounds and right up to the entrance. So either Serrano Point has the laxest security around or he's even more clever than we thought A couple other things I loved: Riley's "hi mom", Cameron & Sarah as landmine & timebomb, and Cameron touching Kacey's pregnant belly. I really hope it was Fox that came up with that. I would hate to credit any of our writers with such a ridiculous plot device. The worst part about it wasn't even how gimmicky it was, but how it completely derailed the OMG IMPORTANT search for The Turk.
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Post by littleb on Nov 28, 2009 16:10:09 GMT -5
I'd forgotten how much pure cheese and ham that horrible S2 opening thing was. What, you don't like generic male-voiced intro that pretended The Sarah Connor Chronicles was The John Connor Show? I loved it... just like I loved that they got rid of those pesky Sarah voiceovers. <snorts> Hell, maybe that's why the show was cancelled - misleading the audience into thinking it was all about John and then making John a douche. You might be onto something there... I liked Automatic (still do) because it does have so many great character moments, but the power plant story really wasn't good. I remember people grumbling about how fast Sarah and Cameron got jobs there, but whatever, I could swallow that part. I just think the overall story was weak and full of cliched characters. Oh it was. I guess for the viewers who weren't scared away by Samson & D, Automatic might've finished a few more off because it wasn't the strongest of stories. Shame when Mousetrap was a whole lot of win and launched into a really good run of episodes. Sarah and Cam conveniently getting jobs at the plant was silly - but not down at the level of "Hey, I have this key for this lock-up, would you like it, perfect stranger?" Desert Cantos silly... I think the weakest bit of writing was for the nasty plant manager, he was a walking barrel of cliche and continued to be until Weaver finally offed him. It was a very cool effect, but I'm still miffed we don't know who pulled the trigger. I guess I'll stick with my belief that it was Jesse. Oh wait! I bet it was a grey. Fischer needed to get to a time machine to get himself to 2008, so he and his greys were probably invading the time chamber and shot that guy when he was going through. That makes sense, right? I don't think Jesse would've had reason to shoot the dude, would she? Plus, she was probably already through to 2008 by then... She and Riley were already watching John when he had Emo!Hair IIRC (and I might not actually remember correctly, it's been a long day!) Hell any one of the bad guys could've shot him, metal or greys. I just liked the slam-bam, no mucking about entrance. It was pretty audacious and very cool. Blood wall = FAIL. It makes no sense at all that he did that. It was stupendously silly. I mean, Sarah'd been in the house a while by then, dude, knock on the door and ask for a pen and paper! That way, you don't need to be all cryptic either, anything they don't understand they could ask you to clarify... oh wait... <thinks of number of episodes devoted to 3 dots> would that make things too easy?! And I'm jumping ahead a bit here: If the three dots weren't just smudges on a wall and they were supposed to be a message of some sort, that is EPIC FAIL. He could write out names and numbers, but not "Turk"? But really, I think the soldier was left-handed and those were finger smudges where he rested his right hand while writing. And Sarah was just fraking nuts (MORE FAIL). I would like to think that the dots were intentional and that Sarah wasn't just going bonkers, cos I kinda like Sarah and I prefer her sane. The dots put her on a quest which led to all sorts of lose-win scenarios, but there's no way in hell that the guy could've expected her to take the path she took just by looking at and dreaming about three bloody smudges. So it does come down to happenstance, and perseverance and (maybe) fate in the end. Which maybe makes her not so bonkers and more just damn persistent? I'm not even going to attempt to figure out Cameron at this point. She's so back and forth and confusing. I wonder how much her chip damage altered her agenda. It's too early in this season 2 rewatch to figure her out (if it's even possible). I'm not sure she's figureoutable! Even knowing what we know about the rest of the episodes. She's a mess of contradictions, grey areas and ulterior motives. I'd love to know where they were heading with her and whether they did have an overall arc for her character. I wonder if the show writers had a bible of key character moments and developments cos with John - they seem to forget from one week to the next. Suddenly, gone with the Robo!Love and it's all Ms Carrots and Apples. Contrary little bugger, this future leader of the world... I love that even more when coupled with John in The Tower. He gets so many good scenes in the therapy with Sherman and everything he says is right there in that school corridor, that disconnect with normality, the fact that he doesn't get to be a kid. He never has. Heh, I'd never thought of her like that. She was another mixed bag of contrasts - funny to annoying to deeply sympathetic. Every time she really got sympathetic though they'd lessen her character by making her devious - i.e. the reveal that she slit her wrists just to try and make John care about her, not the fact that the guilt of her deceit was eating away at her. Ultimately, I think they undermined her to the point where her death didn't have the impact that it could've. Heh, oh you noticed that too, huh? Hmmm. I doubt it. It's a pretty big bone. It'd hurt like hell! My favourite part of that scene... is kinda all of that scene I love Sarah's gettting on with it attitude and Derek's concern. And I can still just about watch it without thinking of the gag reel and giggling. Hey, I like the cartoon scene. I just... the car accident thing, I cannot love. Not even a little! Plus, the slashiest line EVER from Kacey to Cameron... and Sarah's horrified reaction (which is even funnier when you watch it with an eye for the subtext!) Speaking of writing on the wall (heh). The blood wall. Thanks Fox. It was a gimmick and a hook into more standalones but - thinking about it - it didn't actually lead to that many episodes. I really hope it was Fox that came up with that. I would hate to credit any of our writers with such a ridiculous plot device. The worst part about it wasn't even how gimmicky it was, but how it completely derailed the OMG IMPORTANT search for The Turk. It brought us back full-circle to The Turk but kinda by default which was a weird way of doing it (and seeing as the original Turk had no dots, maybe it wasn't entirely thought-out.) It was stupid because the episodes still required people to tune in week in, week out, there were very few that were complete standalones. The blood wall was an easy route in to a plot "hey, Sherman's name, let's find Sherman" but I can't hate it entirely because the episodes then were usually really good. Thankfully they managed to raise the bar above standard Mission of the Week fare but it was a shame that the wall was deemed necessary in the first place.
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Post by allergygal on Dec 1, 2009 17:18:40 GMT -5
I'm thinking we should've started a whole new board called "The Bitchy Season 2 Rewatch" because these episodes are getting no slack from us! I'd forgotten how much pure cheese and ham that horrible S2 opening thing was. So bad. I wonder what Fox genius thought that one up? I'm glad they dropped it after a couple of episodes. Yeah the plant manager was the worst of the characters, all gruff and suspicious of Sarah and scaring her with radiation so she could freak out about cancer. Charm Acres could've used a man like him! I guess the most likely scenario is just that Skynet was invading as that soldier came through. It's not as fun as human factions fighting for control of time, though. And I find it hard to believe that Jesse could get such easy access to the time machine. Bubble Tech friend or not, where the hell was the security? I'd expect you'd have to go through a few layers of security with official orders from John Connor to get anywhere near the time chamber. Without that, I'd think you'd have to take the time machine by force. So that's how I cooked up Jesse shooting the soldier. Just my wishful thinking, really, since I was so disappointed with her story in the end. Look! Sarah in a tank top! You're so easy. ;D Me too. As much as I loved Sarah's journey while we were in it, I'm not satisfied with either scenario: that the 3 dots were a message intending to point to The Turk, or that they were smudges that led her to The Turk because of her persistence/insanity. There's too much luck involved. I think maybe the 3 dots was a victim of let's tidy up all the threads by season's end. Oh, you know what? If the three dots was an actual clue from the soldier and they really were supposed to point to The Turk (still a very thin idea), maybe his getting shot as he came through had something to do with John Henry? I have no idea how he'd come up with 3 dots to represent JH, but we also have no idea what becomes of The Turk after BTR. Maybe the 3 dots actually represent JH's brother. Now I'm getting waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead. I'll figure her out eventually! I've been cooking up a theory that Sarah sent Cameron. It goes beyond wacky, though, bordering on crack!theory I think it was more like character moments written on little pieces of paper in a hat and each week they reached in and blindly grabbed one. I'll wait to get into that until a later ep, but I totally agree. LOL. So you're shipping Sarah/Cameron now, are you?
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Post by littleb on Dec 5, 2009 7:32:33 GMT -5
So many posts to try and keep up with! Arrgh! ;D I'm thinking we should've started a whole new board called "The Bitchy Season 2 Rewatch" because these episodes are getting no slack from us! LOL. I guess it hasn't helped that S2 was kicked off by two relatively weak episodes. Fun. But ultimately more holes than a nice piece of emmental cheese. I'd forgotten how much pure cheese and ham that horrible S2 opening thing was. So bad. I wonder what Fox genius thought that one up? I'm glad they dropped it after a couple of episodes. That HAD to be a Fox idea. Draw new viewers in yadda yadda... If I'd switched on brand new and seen that, I'd have switched over again just as quick! For some reason this post doesn't allow me to quote myself without a lot of cutting and pasting so I'll try and wing it! Yeah the plant manager was the worst of the characters, all gruff and suspicious of Sarah and scaring her with radiation so she could freak out about cancer. Charm Acres could've used a man like him! His characterisation was just so hamfisted and hackneyed. The overweight, nasty, leering, white-collar boss. I'm not even sure he had the wherewithal to be suspicious of Sarah, he just didn't like her cos he was mean and she was nice to the dude who had lymph nodes half way down his forearm <giggles at another smack-the-forehead moment> Yeah, you'd think there'd be more to jumping through time (with all the implications for changing the world) than just friending a bubble tech - but then that was Jesse telling Derek a load of BS anyways so I'm guessing there was more to that and she probably wasn't a lone ranger (for a start, she jumped with Riley so I think we can discount her story completely.) Her story did peter out weakly didn't it? Although, I'm not convinced we'd actually gotten to the end of it. We just got to the end of the show first. oh wait... <thinks of number of episodes devoted to 3 dots> would that make things too easy?! *LOL* I am shallow. I have no issues with that at all I don't think they actually had to put them on the Turk, that was way too convenient, esp. as the Turk never actually had them on in the first place so Sarah's recognition of them was impossible. I kinda like the fated sense to her journey - the dreams to the fingerprints to being played to persisting and finally linking through to the drone. I like that she mad progress by sheer bloody determination, but I think it would have been better had she followed a path of her own making and ended up with Kaliba (via the drone). Adding the three dots to that, yes, too much tying up the loose threads. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead girlie! The whole brother aspect was a third season development I'm guessing. The link through to Cyberdyne and Dyson and then Danny Dyson. That I would have loved to see develop (so I'm kinda doing it myself with the pad and pen!). The future stuff and JH being humanity's saviour, not so much really. I wonder if the show writers had a bible of key character moments and developments cos with John - they seem to forget from one week to the next. Suddenly, gone with the Robo!Love and it's all Ms Carrots and Apples. Contrary little bugger, this future leader of the world... John was all over the place. Cameron also. I think out of them all, Sarah might have been the most consistent in terms of development. A lot of that might've been because she was reacting to what was happening around her as opposed to being the one undergoing all the whacky changes. The one thing they never really went anywhere with was the "bad bitch" change after Some Must Watch. She had gave offing Riley a minor consideration and wore some dodgy mascara for a week and then pretty much went back to being normal Sarah. But in terms of all the main players, she had some of the best writing. Plus, the slashiest line EVER from Kacey to Cameron... and Sarah's horrified reaction (which is even funnier when you watch it with an eye for the subtext!) LOL. So you're shipping Sarah/Cameron now, are you? *laughs* No. I never have. But that line is an absolute gift for those that do!
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Post by allergygal on Dec 7, 2009 6:27:59 GMT -5
So many posts to try and keep up with! Arrgh! ;D Yeah, it was sooooo much better when it was silent around here Fox failed to realize that people who like Sarah Connor might actually be watching The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It's a very difficult concept to grasp. I can see why they were so confused I think maybe it only does the second level of quoting when the full username quote tag is used instead of just the quote tag. When I'm replying to a long post, I usually open the reply window in a new tab and keep the original page in another so I can refer back when I get confused. That section I underlined... LOLAnd you hit the problem with the boss character perfectly. Oh I wouldn't discount her whole story. She never said she jumped alone, she just omitted that little detail about Riley. Super sekrit plan. She might've loved derek, but she coudn't tell him everything or maybe he would've stopped her. Maybe. I'm sure we'd have seen her in the future, but as far as present-day story goes, I don't know what else they'd do with her without Derek around. The idea of her and Sarah forming any kind of team seems pretty far-fetched. Sarah was pissed enough at Derek, I can't see her ever working with Jesse. But I'm getting way ahead again. There will be plenty of opportunity to bash the Jesse story ;D I definitely would've liked it better if played out that way. I think we're supposed to pretend the 3 dots were on The Turk originally, making Sarah's recognition of them possible. Just too much luck for my taste as it was. The 3 dots journey was like "The Broken" — great until the end. Maybe the "fated sense to her journey" was the point because "There is no fate but what we make." It's a bit of a stretch. I hope no newcomers to TSCC read these threads because we're totally dropping spoilers all over the place. If only I'd set up a new board for rewatch discussion somehwere... oh yeah, I did! But then we all bailed. Heh. Oh well. It's more fun this way anyhow You know, you'd almost think the show was actually about Sarah by how well she was written! But I completely agree about the follow-up after SMW. I thought there was going to be more fallout, but we moved into miscarriages and whatnot instead. The "retroactive abortion" line from to just popped into my head. Now I'm wondering if there was some clever thematic element to Jesse story that I missed. Please no. I'd rather just continue to hate it. I'm thinking it may be time for Mousetrap.
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Post by littleb on Dec 8, 2009 5:54:06 GMT -5
So many posts to try and keep up with! Arrgh! ;D Yeah, it was sooooo much better when it was silent around here Hee. Are we the true diehards then? Fox failed to realize that people who like Sarah Connor might actually be watching The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It's a very difficult concept to grasp. I can see why they were so confused Well, this is the channel that renewed Dollhouse (and then ditched it, cancelled it and plonked all its remaining eps together in a frantic get-shut effort), so what can we really expect from them? Sense? But - bearing the TSCC DVD release in mind - apparently the above concept was quite a tricky one for Warners to grasp as well... I think maybe it only does the second level of quoting when the full username quote tag is used instead of just the quote tag. When I'm replying to a long post, I usually open the reply window in a new tab and keep the original page in another so I can refer back when I get confused. Me too. I'm doing that right now. Makes it hard work, but I'm perseverant like that! That section I underlined... LOL What, that section right here? v v v and she was nice to the dude who had lymph nodes half way down his forearm Heh. I am all about the pointing out of the medically ridiculous. But mostly... this show wasn't all that terrible... Oh I wouldn't discount her whole story. She never said she jumped alone, she just omitted that little detail about Riley. Super sekrit plan. She might've loved derek, but she coudn't tell him everything or maybe he would've stopped her. Maybe. I guess we'll never know what Derek would've done, I like to think that he would've stopped her. On the basis of her plan being quite crappy. He might've been swayed towards her idea of getting rid of the metal, but I think his methods would've been more direct (esp. if we are to believe his reaction to Riley's eventual demise) I'm sure we'd have seen her in the future, but as far as present-day story goes, I don't know what else they'd do with her without Derek around. The idea of her and Sarah forming any kind of team seems pretty far-fetched. Sarah was pissed enough at Derek, I can't see her ever working with Jesse. But I'm getting way ahead again. There will be plenty of opportunity to bash the Jesse story ;D If Sarah was willing to ditch Cam and Derek for their part in the Riley saga, there is no way in hell she would team up with the instigator of it. Although I do think they missed a trick by not letting Jesse and Sarah have a proper good knock-down scrap! I hope no newcomers to TSCC read these threads because we're totally dropping spoilers all over the place. If only I'd set up a new board for rewatch discussion somehwere... oh yeah, I did! But then we all bailed. Heh. Oh well. It's more fun this way anyhow Timing was bad. We all went on holiday! Spoilers, schmoilers, rewatches are far funner when bearing the whole of the show in mind. John was all over the place. Cameron also. I think out of them all, Sarah might have been the most consistent in terms of development... She had gave offing Riley a minor consideration and wore some dodgy mascara for a week and then pretty much went back to being normal Sarah. But in terms of all the main players, she had some of the best writing. You know, you'd almost think the show was actually about Sarah by how well she was written! But I completely agree about the follow-up after SMW. I thought there was going to be more fallout, I really really wish there had've been. She went through a hell of a lot in the space of a very short time, and then carried on as normal. Or as normal as Sarah can actually be. I kinda like the idea of her picking herself up, dusting herself off and just getting on with it, but OTOH, the writing suggested a massive change in her character that the rest of the writers didn't seem to want to run with. Which was slightly confusing. but we moved into miscarriages and whatnot instead. The "retroactive abortion" line from to just popped into my head. Now I'm wondering if there was some clever thematic element to Jesse story that I missed. Please no. I'd rather just continue to hate it. Hey, you expanded into a whacky theory, I see! Not sure what I think about that... I'll have to give it a little consideration time... I'm thinking it may be time for Mousetrap. Dude. It is always time for Mousetrap
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