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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 11, 2008 21:02:52 GMT -5
Yeah, everything is fine now. I'm just saying, I hope this show doesn't turn into a million resistance fighters or terminators being sent back. If that happens, the show kinda becomes a parody of itself.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 11, 2008 21:08:20 GMT -5
I agree and from what we've heard things don't seem to be going that way, but still in all there's gotta be a bunch of X variables on both ends. Catherine alone already has me wondering if what other Terminators she's aware of to get the job done if need be.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 11, 2008 21:18:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a few terminators here and there. It would actually be kinda interesting and almost give them a head start on JD.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 11, 2008 21:23:12 GMT -5
Just my take, but I really don't think Resistance Fighters are going to be appearing all the time. We've got one more mentioned this season and that's Derek's love interest, which remains questionable as to what period we'll be seeing her in.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 11, 2008 21:43:56 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Now, that should be interesting.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 11, 2008 21:46:36 GMT -5
At this point, it makes two new Resistance Fighters on the season two score card, but as to what time period she is in remains to be seen. To bring on the drama, they could bring her in at some point to deal with Derek or strictly remain in flashbacks.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 11, 2008 22:28:26 GMT -5
Well, I can't really see any point in bringing in a girl friend for Derek - unless it has something to do with why he acts the way he does toward Cameron. I hope Josh doesn't flood the show with too many new characters, it will become very hard to keep everything tied together properly. Josh has said as much in recent interviews. As long as the new characters do nothing but advance the main plot line and don't hang around too long, it will be okay.
Also, I agree that they need to rein in the number of Terminators and Resistance Fighters sent back through time or they'll end up with so many loose ends and unlikely plot points that it will turn off the fans, especially the picky ones who nitpick every detail. I don't mind this whole notion of some kind of "time war" going on, but you quickly run into the basic time travel paradox problems - what Josh and the writers call "The Black Hole" from which you can never return when scripting the shows in the writers room. Like someone has said, why not just time travel back to some decade or century before Sarah Connor was born and just kill her parents or grandparents or whoever? You can explain anything if you try, but there's no point in just being complicated. The show should stay focused on John, Sarah, Cameron, Derek and a small handful of Skynet Terminators. In fact, the show should spend a fair amount of time just dealing with the human problems the Connors encounter - people like agent Ellison and the various thugs and human conspiracies - sort of show that the biggest problems John and Sarah have are not because of Skynet but their fellow humans.
There's also a lot of problems involved with the constantly changing timeline. Supposedly Andy Good was part of the team that created Skynet. Now he's dead, and things just keep right on truckin'. How many more changes will the Connors have to deal with before it becomes apparent to them that Skynet and Judgement Day are inevitable and can't be stopped no matter what they do?
In the end, this is why I hate time travel stories. That and the fact that I consider time travel to be the one thing which is really impossible. So the less the show deals with that end of the story, the better I'll like it.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 11, 2008 22:29:59 GMT -5
Well, I can't really see any point in bringing in a girl friend for Derek - unless it has something to do with why he acts the way he does toward Cameron. I hope Josh doesn't flood the show with too many new characters, it will become very hard to keep everything tied together properly. Josh has said as much in recent interviews. As long as the new characters do nothing but advance the main plot line and don't hang around too long, it will be okay. Also, I agree that they need to rein in the number of Terminators and Resistance Fighters sent back through time or they'll end up with so many loose ends and unlikely plot points that it will turn off the fans, especially the picky ones who nitpick every detail. I don't mind this whole notion of some kind of "time war" going on, but you quickly run into the basic time travel paradox problems - what Josh and the writers call "The Black Hole" from which you can never return when scripting the shows in the writers room. Like someone has said, why not just time travel back to some decade or century before Sarah Connor was born and just kill her parents or grandparents or whoever? You can explain anything if you try, but there's no point in just being complicated. The show should stay focused on John, Sarah, Cameron, Derek and a small handful of Skynet Terminators. In fact, the show should spend a fair amount of time just dealing with the human problems the Connors encounter - people like agent Ellison and the various thugs and human conspiracies - sort of show that the biggest problems John and Sarah have are not because of Skynet but their fellow humans. There's also a lot of problems involved with the constantly changing timeline. Supposedly Andy Good was part of the team that created Skynet. Now he's dead, and things just keep right on truckin'. How many more changes will the Connors have to deal with before it becomes apparent to them that Skynet and Judgement Day are inevitable and can't be stopped no matter what they do? In the end, this is why I hate time travel stories. That and the fact that I consider time travel to be the one thing which is really impossible. So the less the show deals with that end of the story, the better I'll like it. This man speaks the gospel.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 11, 2008 22:46:37 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong here, but when a person or person's gets set on a clear goal in mind. The Connor's in this instance, their going to be determined to end it as much as possible. The idea stems right back to the original Termintor, when it comes down to it. Kyle Reese put all the ideas into her mind. The Terminator coming into play cemented it and the events of T2 was a further wake-up call. The Connor's aren't just going to give in. Their going to do whatever is necessary to get what they believe the job is to get it done.
Doesn't mean it'll stop Skynet, but it'll at least prepare them that much more for the future that's ahead.
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Post by sandrinha on Sept 12, 2008 18:51:11 GMT -5
Why isn't anyone discussing the *emotional* Cameron we saw in the preview trailer? I'm shocked LOL.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 12, 2008 19:00:01 GMT -5
Why isn't anyone discussing the *emotional* Cameron we saw in the preview trailer? I'm shocked LOL. That's not in this episode. That will be in episode four.
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Post by sandrinha on Sept 12, 2008 19:16:01 GMT -5
Why isn't anyone discussing the *emotional* Cameron we saw in the preview trailer? I'm shocked LOL. That's not in this episode. That will be in episode four. My bad i saw a promo that had two episodes in one clip and got all mixed up. Sorry ;D.
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Post by vicheron on Sept 12, 2008 20:30:00 GMT -5
Well, I can't really see any point in bringing in a girl friend for Derek - unless it has something to do with why he acts the way he does toward Cameron. I hope Josh doesn't flood the show with too many new characters, it will become very hard to keep everything tied together properly. Josh has said as much in recent interviews. As long as the new characters do nothing but advance the main plot line and don't hang around too long, it will be okay. Also, I agree that they need to rein in the number of Terminators and Resistance Fighters sent back through time or they'll end up with so many loose ends and unlikely plot points that it will turn off the fans, especially the picky ones who nitpick every detail. I don't mind this whole notion of some kind of "time war" going on, but you quickly run into the basic time travel paradox problems - what Josh and the writers call "The Black Hole" from which you can never return when scripting the shows in the writers room. Like someone has said, why not just time travel back to some decade or century before Sarah Connor was born and just kill her parents or grandparents or whoever? You can explain anything if you try, but there's no point in just being complicated. The show should stay focused on John, Sarah, Cameron, Derek and a small handful of Skynet Terminators. In fact, the show should spend a fair amount of time just dealing with the human problems the Connors encounter - people like agent Ellison and the various thugs and human conspiracies - sort of show that the biggest problems John and Sarah have are not because of Skynet but their fellow humans. There's also a lot of problems involved with the constantly changing timeline. Supposedly Andy Good was part of the team that created Skynet. Now he's dead, and things just keep right on truckin'. How many more changes will the Connors have to deal with before it becomes apparent to them that Skynet and Judgement Day are inevitable and can't be stopped no matter what they do? In the end, this is why I hate time travel stories. That and the fact that I consider time travel to be the one thing which is really impossible. So the less the show deals with that end of the story, the better I'll like it. In T1, they said that the records were destroyed in the war so Skynet didn't know much about John Connor, only that Sarah Connor was his mother and that she lived in Los Angeles. That was why the Terminator killed two other Sarah Connors before he found the real Sarah Connor. James Cameron was very careful in making sure that there weren't too many questions raised about the time travel aspect by adding various plot devices. The Terminator and Reese were supposed to be only two sent back and the time machine was supposed to get blown as soon as Reese got sent back so no one else can be sent and they can't get back to the future. Information about the past was limited so Skynet couldn't just send the Terminator to any time period it wanted. Nothing dead can go through so they can't bring advanced weapons and "cheat." Since many of these plot devices have been done away with, the story is beginning to unravel. The writers of the show really needs to either reinstate some of these plot devices or create new ones so that we don't end up with too many "why doesn't Skynet/Resistance just do this" kind of questions whenever someone gets sent back. At the very least, I hope that they at least set some rules on how many Terminators/Resistance fighters can be sent back, how often they can be sent back, and what time period they can be sent back to, preferably starting with this episode. It would even be better if the Resistance fighter(s) in this episode are the last batch to be sent for quite a while.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 12, 2008 20:37:48 GMT -5
That's not in this episode. That will be in episode four. My bad i saw a promo that had two episodes in one clip and got all mixed up. Sorry ;D. No need to apologize. I thought the same exact thing the first time I seen the preview.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 12, 2008 20:43:52 GMT -5
Form the Sci-Fire Wire talk with Josh...on how much or actually little time travel there has been-
Speaking in an interview on the show's set at the Warner Brothers studio lot in Burbank, Calif., on Sept. 9, Friedman said that there are more people who will be taking that trip through the time machine.
"There are some people who [ask], 'Why do people keep coming back?'" Friedman acknowledged. "Well, first of all, I think, ... there's not a lot of people that come back from the future. We've had really only one person, one group of ... four people, [who] came back, but only one of them ... survived [Brian Austin Green's Derek Reese]. That was only one event, one timeable event. I know that originally in the mythology, it was all, like, it's very difficult for people to come back. ...
"Well, it requires a lot of energy, and it's not an easy thing to do. And there aren't that many ... devices to do it with, and the ones that are constantly hunted, I think. But I'm not opposed to people coming back."
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