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Post by t101 on Mar 26, 2009 9:30:01 GMT -5
I think they wont know who Weaver is until the last moment. I just don't see them walking in there so casually if they knew. And Cameron is not with them.
PS. There is a new spoiler in the spoiler thread.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 26, 2009 23:16:22 GMT -5
Ausiello has reported that a major MALE character will die in the finale. A lot of people think it will be Ellison, but I refuse to believe he'll die as a moron. Plus, with BAG signing on to a new pilot and the episode description shaking John like a leaf, my money is on Uncle Derek biting the dust. Edit: this will also be the episode where Sarah and Cameron betray/leave John. I'm almost willing to bet that Cameron betrays John by killing Derek (and if there is a season 3, perhaps there's a justifiable reason)... I don't know how or why Sarah will leave. Then again, I'm just grasping at straws right now, but I could snatch one.
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Post by Andrew Goode on Mar 26, 2009 23:19:24 GMT -5
Oh seriously!?! Derek!!! nooo!
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 26, 2009 23:22:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I just don't see WHY it would be Ellison. That's almost too predictable... and I can't see the writers doing him dirty and killing off his character with the position he's in. It would make him look really weak and stupid.
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Post by thecolours on Mar 27, 2009 0:09:15 GMT -5
John being shaken to the core, might have to do with the betrayal, and not Derek's possible death. I hope Derek doesn't die. This series didn't start getting really good until Derek showed up.
Ellison on the other hand, hasn't been interesting since Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today.
But, a part of me believes that Ellison ends up adopting Savannah. With the back story of his wife's miscarriage, and Savannah always running into his arms, instead of Weavers, it would make a lot of sense (thematically) for him. He's lost so much because of his obsession with the Connors. (His marriage. His child. His career.) And, he's questioned his belief in God, every step along the way. Ellison is going to realize that there is a greater purpose to why all these bad things have happened to him, and why they have lead him to where he is today. His faith will be rewarded, when he realizes God's plan is for him to rescue Savannah from Weaver, and raise her as his own.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 27, 2009 0:14:11 GMT -5
I enjoy BAG as an actor (on this show, anyway), but I'm sick of the Connor's being like a "crew", ya know? I think it's time to narrow down the group and I think it starts with Derek. I know he's there to prevent J-Day, but aren't they all? One of the major "good guys" is going to have to bite the dust and I don't see Derek out living Sarah or even Cameron for that matter. As much as I've enjoyed his work on this show, with the closure of Jesse, it's time for Derek to go down with guns blazing.
That's just me, though. I'm sure everyone will disagree with me.
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Post by t101 on Mar 27, 2009 3:35:09 GMT -5
The crew dynamic you speak of never took off to begin with...
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Post by allergygal on Mar 27, 2009 5:10:24 GMT -5
Last time we had a big OMG character death it ended up being Cromartie, who was resurrected shortly thereafter as John Henry. SO maybe we're getting played with this spoiler again and it's John Henry this time. He could still be on the show next season too. Anothe Cromartie model shows up to hunt for Sarah in 2008 LA (Skynet will know where she is now because of the arrest) in order to find John.
If we're contemplating human character deaths, though, I think Ellison is much more likely to get killed than Derek. His story has been pretty dull and I can't even imagine where they'd go with him after all the Weaver and JH stuff explodes in his face. Even if he realizes the error of his ways soon, it's already too late. Sarah can't ever trust him, so he's not any use to her even if he turns his back on Catherine. Ellison's story seems to be nearing a conclusion and his death wouldn't surprise me. If he's not the one to die, though, I'm hoping Sarah will save his life (from Catherine). I think if Ellison got saved by Sarah after he'd betrayed her, he'd finally have a little respect for who she is and what she does.
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Post by littleb on Mar 27, 2009 6:17:12 GMT -5
Last time we had a big OMG character death it ended up being Cromartie, who was resurrected shortly thereafter as John Henry. SO maybe we're getting played with this spoiler again and it's John Henry this time. He could still be on the show next season too. Anothe Cromartie model shows up to hunt for Sarah in 2008 LA (Skynet will know where she is now because of the arrest) in order to find John. Problem with another Cromartie showing up is losing Garrett Dillahunt cos it wouldn't have his face. I think they've done too much to build up JH as a character - and are still in the process of making him a major threat - to get rid of him. If the Turk really is Skynet then I think JH will stick around to be a problem next season. Add a vote for Ellison. I don't think Derek's going anywhere if we get a third run. He's far too popular a character and a real asset to the show - especially in terms of Future!Flashforwards. Ellison however seems to have reached the end of his arc. I can definitely see him making some Miles Dyson-esque redeemingly heroic sacrificial swan dive come the finale. If he realises he's made a complete mess of things - and I'm sure Sarah or John will be letting him know - then I can see him trying to put it all right and karking it in the process. Comes full circle from Samson & Delilah about him not doing the "devil's work" if he finds out that's exactly what he has been doing then he's going to be looking for a way to redeem himself. Funny, Cromartie seemed to know Ellison would eventually lead Skynet to the Connors, and there they are all standing in that lift together...
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Post by allergygal on Mar 27, 2009 12:03:32 GMT -5
Problem with another Cromartie showing up is losing Garrett Dillahunt cos it wouldn't have his face. I think they've done too much to build up JH as a character - and are still in the process of making him a major threat - to get rid of him. If the Turk really is Skynet then I think JH will stick around to be a problem next season. Oh damn. I forgot about cromartie originally looking different. OKay, scratch that idea then. I don't want to lose Garret! I could see Ellison sacrificing himself for Savannah. That might be a fitting end for him. And Good call on "the devil's work." He sure has been up to exactly that. Oh Cromartie, you were a very wise machine
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 27, 2009 12:04:25 GMT -5
Ellison is too predictable, IMHO. I wouldn't even consider that a 'major death.'
I'm going to stick with Derek.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 27, 2009 12:28:09 GMT -5
I've been very underwhelmed with Ellison so far this season. His only big moment was delivering Cromartie to Weaver. They've showed very little of his "mentoring" sessions with John Henry. I'm not sure if his death would be that big of a deal to Sarah or John.
Ellison's fate hinges on Weaver and JH. Without them there's nothing for Ellison to do in S3.
I can see them killing Derek off. His big story this season with Jesse is over. Apparently the writers aren't interested in using him to mentor John. They tried that once in Goodbye to All That and then let the mentor thing fizzle out.
I agree, Derek is the most likely one to die. John might even shed a couple tears.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 27, 2009 12:41:26 GMT -5
^^^
Co-sign.
Ellison is just too boring of a character to get the axe right now. He was very interesting in the first season, but this season he's hardly a 'major' character. Killing him off in the finale would be a major letdown, especially with the momentum this show has right now.
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Post by gothamite66 on Mar 27, 2009 13:09:24 GMT -5
^^^ Co-sign. Ellison is just too boring of a character to get the axe right now. He was very interesting in the first season, but this season he's hardly a 'major' character. Killing him off in the finale would be a major letdown, especially with the momentum this show has right now. I'm gonna agree with you guys also. I think Derek will be the one to die. They keep saying it's going to be shocking. Ellison is the obvious one to go, the easiest one to go and really wouldn't be very shocking. Derek on the other hand is part of the family. Killing a family member would be shocking.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 27, 2009 13:14:12 GMT -5
Well if it's going to be a "shocking" major male character death, I guess it would have to be Derek. Or John That would be pretty shocking, no? Maybe when Thomas Dekker said John was left alone, without any women in his life, he meant his lifeless body. ;D
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