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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 7, 2008 15:21:28 GMT -5
I'm betting on the old SLIDERS plot device personally. The alternate Kyle Resse from a different timeline. I know it sounds like a sort of cop out, but it doesn't have to screw with the timeline that we already know and it's give them a get out jail free card in the long run unless Sarah keeps him in our reality. For me, it's a huge copout. Kyle from an alternate reality isn't Sarah's Kyle, isn't our Kyle. Isn't the one she loves or we love. They aren't interchangeable. I really, really hate it when you have a movie with the parallel world thing going on and the love interest dies only for the hero to hook up with an alternate her in the end. They aren't the same. I just really don't like that. They don't have to hook up. I know this is a shipper's thread, but it would at least give John some idea of who his father truly is but then again that would take the fun out of getting to the future status of the films. Dream sequences ala T2 are probably the best we'll get unless there's some HUGE loop hole developed, where the fabric of reality is falling away and John manages to come through our world somehow.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 7, 2008 16:49:08 GMT -5
Well, I could settle for a dream sequence. I'm dying for a dream sequence. It would have to be done very well - too important to screw up. But the part of the dream sequence with the two of them together in the Extreme Edition of T2 is possibly my favorite scene in all of Terminator. It is so powerful, so beautiful, and so heart-breaking. You can't lose that.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 7, 2008 16:51:48 GMT -5
Its kind of a pity that wasn't in the original theaterical release.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 7, 2008 17:13:36 GMT -5
Its kind of a pity that wasn't in the original theaterical release. It's a huge pity, to me. It's a great scene, IMO. It shows us a lot of Sarah. That she still loves him. She just clings to him - she's so tough and that sort of vulnerability and pain it just drives home how much she'd endured (same could be said for a couple of other scenes, too, of course). And it's not too "pretty" in my opinion. She looks like her, she cries, she's got hair out of place, etc. And she never doubts that he'd love her if he was here and he gives her strength, when she doesn't have any of her own. That last part might be my favorite thing of all. I love heroes. I like comic books. And sometimes when a hero is too weak or too beaten down to stand on their own or face the day, the people that love them lend them their strength. Encourage them. They do not do the hero's deed for the hero - that's important. They make the hero stronger. And that's just grand. And that she could get this from just a memory is even grander. And it's another reason I hate the subplot in "The Demon Hand" - it says the strength she had from inside and gained from him (or his memory - though I tend to ascribe more meaning to her dreams, give the "dog" thing from T1) both combined wasn't enough. I definitely didn't like that.* So in my own head I pretend that signing-away thing never happened. *Yes, I know it wasn't part of the theatrical release, so it doesn't technically say that. But it's the only one I have on DVD it's the way I remember the movie and I like it better, and the DH subplot just really messes with that scene to me (besides being illogical anyway and contradictory to the movie).
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 7, 2008 17:19:05 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with you actually. It fleshed out the characters, that much more in the long run. I waited forever to get T2 on tape and ended up with one of the Artisan releases and then finally got the Extreme Edition a few years later. I actually consider the Extreme/Director's Cut to be the true version of the canon in the Terminator-verse.
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Post by ReeseDN38416 on Mar 7, 2008 17:20:52 GMT -5
So in my own head I pretend that signing-away thing never happened. So do I.
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Post by shmi on Mar 7, 2008 17:36:42 GMT -5
(or his memory - though I tend to ascribe more meaning to her dreams, give the "dog" thing from T1) I agree. Especially with the "He's the target now." Sarah had no way of knowing that. And it was a marvelous scene. I'd love a dream sequence in SCC if it was anywhere near as good. I do think it should be reserved for something very big though. I don't think it'd work as well for a normal (well what passes for normal in her life) day.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 7, 2008 21:07:21 GMT -5
Hopefully we do get something like that ala T2.
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Post by allergygal on Jul 9, 2008 0:14:56 GMT -5
It was so nice when Sarah talked about Kyle in D&D. I think we need occasional moments like that. And a Kyle dream would be awesome.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 9, 2008 0:15:48 GMT -5
Be nice if Kyle came back to Derek as well. Even if its just in flashbacks.
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Post by Erika on Jul 9, 2008 4:01:34 GMT -5
I really, REALLY want a Jonathan/Lena Kyle/Sarah flashback on the show, maybe we could even have him come to her when she's in some extreme emotional distress when everything is crashing down around her. I'd love to see those 2 interact together.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jul 9, 2008 4:14:23 GMT -5
Maybe redoing a scene from the original film as well.
Plenty of room for them to cross one another's paths again onscreen.
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Post by vicheron on Jul 9, 2008 6:20:16 GMT -5
Sarah really doesn't know that much about Kyle since she only spent about a day with him. It would be interesting if both Derek and Sarah had dream sequences about Kyle but the Kyle in Derek's dream is very different from the Kyle in Sarah's dream since Derek knows so much more about Kyle.
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Post by k8ie on Jul 9, 2008 9:17:30 GMT -5
Maybe redoing a scene from the original film as well. I wouldn't really want to see a scene from T1 reshot but I think there's some scope for revisiting that time period. A nightmare that features Kyle circa T1 would be awesome but as TSCC has pushed Sarah's age circa T1 to about 17, it would force my willing suspension of disbelief in unpleasant ways - while I'm sure Headey can play 17, she doesn't look 17 and visually, TV is a rather literal medium (let's not even discuss what freaking age Sarah and Kyle were meant to be when Cameron filmed T1). Well, Derek has his memories. Presumably, if we see more Future!War, we'll see more Kyle. It'd be interesting if we saw Cam's perspective on Kyle, too.
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Post by allergygal on Jul 9, 2008 12:21:18 GMT -5
I really, REALLY want a Jonathan/Lena Kyle/Sarah flashback on the show, maybe we could even have him come to her when she's in some extreme emotional distress when everything is crashing down around her. I'd love to see those 2 interact together. Maybe redoing a scene from the original film as well. I wouldn't really want to see a scene from T1 reshot but I think there's some scope for revisiting that time period. A nightmare that features Kyle circa T1 would be awesome but as TSCC has pushed Sarah's age circa T1 to about 17, it would force my willing suspension of disbelief in unpleasant ways - while I'm sure Headey can play 17, she doesn't look 17 and visually, TV is a rather literal medium (let's not even discuss what freaking age Sarah and Kyle were meant to be when Cameron filmed T1). I agree with K8ie. I don't think a flashback could work because of the age differences, but in a dream sequence that wouldn't matter - she'd remember him as he was and she could be her current age.
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