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Post by rossbondreturns on May 4, 2008 19:31:07 GMT -5
I can understand that and there is a balance that must be reached. i think that in S2 here we'll see the whole think balance out a lot more. That said I quite like the Sarah we have now. On the slow and deadly boil and erupting into violence every now and again. Perhaps she should be badass more often and they have promised more action in S2- but Sarah on the boil is more scary to me that Sarah kicking ass the majority of the time. And I'm sure we'll see her show John a thing or too...remember we only had 9 instead of 13 episodes last season. That and the show was finding its feet. Now we have more basis on which to stand up and run. I love both character but obviously John a little more because I'm a guy. And I hope that he handles it well when Judgment Day happens but I also hope that they don't give up...but fight it until the absolutley have to get safe. To see them as equal partners...until he takes on the mantle of leader should be what the show ends up aiming for. Greetz! I'll refresh this page later.
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Post by theturk on May 4, 2008 20:16:48 GMT -5
The main thing you're seeming to get hung up on is Sarah's ignorance of computers, as described in "The Turk." But it's not a reflection of her intelligence, it's an aspect of her character-- for very understandable reasons she hates and fears computers and tries to have as little to do with them as possible. That scene is about John and Sarah's different relationships to technology, computers, and artificial intelligence, not John=smart, Sarah=dumb.
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Post by k8ie on May 4, 2008 21:00:18 GMT -5
Fair enough, Turk, but that's not the way it played to me.
To be fair, it was one scene in an episode I otherwise enjoyed tremendously and I didn't walk away from it thinking that Sarah was a bonehead but "it was just a rack of computer equipment" would have been my response and the worst thing a computer ever did to me was eat my final essay on the Cistercian Order for my Medieval History seminar*.
Sarah's attitude towards technology comes across brilliantly in the earlier scene in Andy's place, when he shows her the machine (Lena Headey has absolutely the best "I'm trying to hide how much everything you've said make me want to vomit" face). But network access and the computer singularity are things that, without turning her into a technophile, I would have expected Sarah to have at least some idea about - if only from a Sun Tzu perspective.
(*although I'm still pissed off about it 15 years later)
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Post by rossbondreturns on May 4, 2008 21:19:22 GMT -5
I get what both of you are saying.
John: Expecting his Mother to perhaps find out about the computer they're up against.
Mom: Thinking ... I don't care...I don't want to care.
When it's very important that she does.
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Post by k8ie on May 4, 2008 21:53:16 GMT -5
I get what both of you are saying. John: Expecting his Mother to perhaps find out about the computer they're up against. Mom: Thinking ... I don't care...I don't want to care. When it's very important that she does. Yeah, kind of. At the same time, I take the Turk's point about Janeway - plaster saints are boring. And frankly I don't need Sarah to be perfect. But I admit there are places that I have definite expectations of the character's abilities/behaviour based on what I've taken from the movies. Sarah's absolute commitment to protecting John is one, that she would have some sort of basic familiarity with computer technology, despite her feelings about it, is another.
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Post by rossbondreturns on May 4, 2008 22:13:32 GMT -5
Agreed and I'm not disagreeing with you here. In fact I am posting between watching the UBER resolution The Dark Knight trailer and working on more of T6: Rogue Future.
But it does make a certain ammount of sense that John would be more into the Tech aspect of things while Sarah is more into the human element.
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Post by k8ie on May 4, 2008 22:47:50 GMT -5
I think it makes perfect sense and that's certainly the trajectory that T2 would seem to have set up with the reprogrammed terminators and hacking (hey, I just found another thing to nitpick T3 about, go me ). But at the same time, John needs to be able to lead and inspire people and Sarah needs to be able to recognize a network connection when she sees it or this war is going to go nowhere fast. Admittedly, by "Vick's Chip" she's mastered flashdrives, which puts her ahead of my mother - obviously, I'm being facetious here. Except about my mother. Addicted to her e-mail but incapable of programming the DVR - why is that? And the Dark Knight trailer is very, very sweet indeed. Although, just once would it kill a comic book movie to have a female character who wasn't the assistant, the love interest or the damsel in distress (or all three at once)?
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Post by Derek Reese on May 5, 2008 0:49:27 GMT -5
Thanks for clarifying certain details, theTurk.
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Post by allergygal on May 6, 2008 2:27:55 GMT -5
One must also remember that although the show is called the Sarah Connor Chronicles...it really is about John becoming a leader rather than Sarah becoming a totall dominating ass kicker. These are the options, that the show is either about John becoming a leader or about Sarah becoming a total dominating ass kicker? Ross, what am I going to do with you? It's neither. It's about how Sarah deals with John growing up and growing into the leader he needs to become ("without John your life has no purpose") even while she tries to change his fate. Ensemble cast, yes — they're all working to stop judgement day, but the focus is on Sarah's journey. You folks seriously don't want Sarah to be Captain Janeway, do you? The leader who knows as much or more about every subject than her subordinates? Because man, that character was just deadly to watch. I'll plead ignorance on Janeway because, shocking as it is, I've never been a Star Trek fan. I love both character but obviously John a little more because I'm a guy. If k8tie and I are both on the boards, you should run for cover then
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Post by allergygal on May 6, 2008 2:28:32 GMT -5
The main thing you're seeming to get hung up on is Sarah's ignorance of computers, as described in "The Turk." But it's not a reflection of her intelligence, it's an aspect of her character-- for very understandable reasons she hates and fears computers and tries to have as little to do with them as possible. That scene is about John and Sarah's different relationships to technology, computers, and artificial intelligence, not John=smart, Sarah=dumb. No that's not the main thing, but it was the first thing that got dropped into the TSCC "?!" file in my brain. For a while I was worried that the show was portraying her as someone who wouldn't even touch a computer, but that fear was thankfully laid to rest in Vick's Chip and What He Beheld. I understand that she would prefer to avoid the technology that she knows dooms mankind, but without any understanding of it, how can you fight it? Still, I wouldn't expect her to be as computer savvy as John at this point. He's younger, more adaptable and actually likes computers. There was a time, though, when she taught him about computers. When John hacks an ATM in T2, he says his mom taught him how to do it. So she's not ignorant on the subject. She's not anti-computer. She's not exactly fond of nuclear bombs either, but that made her want to learn everything she could about the development of them, not shun history. The John=smart, Sarah=not, was an exaggeration of course, but I definitely noticed a trend. And not just about computers. The living room scene in Vick's Chip is a perfect example... Sarah could only understand 1/3 of what she read (Seriously?) in the files she and Derek stole from Barbara Chamberlain's house. So she apparently passes them off to John to read because the next thing you know he's running a meeting in the living room about it. John's got info on Barbara Chamberlain, Jessica Peck (Seriously? He read up on a lobbyist?) and he explains the ARTIE system. Sarah, however, still doesn't get it (neither does Derek). Traffic? Huh? Cameron explains it in simpler terms so they can understand. Once they do, Derek just wants to blow up City Hall (hey, at least he's thinking). Sarah has zero ideas. But John then comes up with the idea to make a computer virus (and he can actually make this virus). So Sarah's only contribution to the entire thing is "I'll get it inside." But Derek actually leads the City Hall break-in because he knows the tunnels. So really, he got it inside. Thank goodness Sarah was there to plug in the thumb drive! Zack, you must think I hate the writers and hate the show by now, but I swear I don't (and not in a Cameron "I swear" kind of way). I actually love the show with a passion and think you guys do a great job. Sarah Connor is my favorite character of all time, so while I watch these 9 episodes over and over again waiting for a new season, I have to grumble about the flaws sometimes. I'll try hard to make my next post a total love-fest because really, I think I owe you one.
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Post by miniglik on May 6, 2008 10:11:51 GMT -5
It's cracking me up that y'all are having this same conversation over here. (Not that I have much to add.)
However, the ARTIE briefing scene wasn't really a problem for me. I think in that part of the story Sarah actually acted the military leader. Your average commander is going to sit down and get briefed by his/her various staff, then make a decision based on what they tell him/her. Even if they already know some of the answers.
Huh. I always misunderstood that. I thought she was talking about the original resistance safehouse files. But it makes much more sense this way.
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Post by rossbondreturns on May 6, 2008 12:20:40 GMT -5
I'll just stay right here on the forum.
But seriously.
They could walk the tightrope and tell both stories and if they do that I'll be pleased as punch.
BUT...
(Knew that was coming didnt cha-)
For the most part TV series in the end will tend to tilt to one or the other of the lead characters.
Just saying is all.
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Post by allergygal on May 6, 2008 12:45:34 GMT -5
It's cracking me up that y'all are having this same conversation over here. Just trying to keep the boards alive over here in the off-season. Really? That's not at all how I saw that scene. She did choose between the plans (blowing up building - no, planting a virus - yes), but I thought John was a little too smart on everything. Having him be the computer genius is one thing, but when they also made him the only one to understand the files from Barbara's house? I thought it got a little ridiculous.
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Post by allergygal on May 6, 2008 12:49:30 GMT -5
I'll just stay right here on the forum. Wouldn't want it any other way, Ross
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Post by rossbondreturns on May 6, 2008 13:07:01 GMT -5
Good...though I bloody well wish my Proofreaders would get back to me so I can fully polish T5 up...if they don't hurry I'll have T6 done in the meantime.
Not kidding.
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