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Riley
Sept 8, 2008 20:57:40 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 8, 2008 20:57:40 GMT -5
Discuss Riley here and her role within the world of the Sarah Connorverse. She effectively makes her first appearence in 2x02.
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 14:20:46 GMT -5
Post by rove3 on Sept 9, 2008 14:20:46 GMT -5
I know we haven't officially met her yet, but I'm not really liking this whole idea of introducing a potential high-school GF. After everything that happened in the season opener it just seems silly to see John bringing a girl home to meet mom, so to speak. I'm much more interested in seeing John's evolution into the leader of the resistance. If I wanted to watch teen angst I'd go watch 90210.
I'm trying to keep an open mind about the Riley character but not being too successful so far. I can only hope that the writers do something more creative than having her become the cliched damsel in distress that John will have to rescue.
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 17:05:43 GMT -5
Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 9, 2008 17:05:43 GMT -5
I'm open to the idea until they prove it's something too unbelievable. I mean, John is 16 and despite everything he's going through, you know he still has an interest in girls... and he should be able to. The thing that has me most concern is, is John putting her in danger by bringing her home? He's kinda getting her too involved.
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 21:10:03 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 9, 2008 21:10:03 GMT -5
The thing is one way or another, no matter who he brings into his life - friends, lovers, etc. are always going to be caught in the crossfire of things. From what we can tell from the trailer, it looks like Riley's little brother meets another Terminator on the roof of what I'm assuming is the Connor's new ride. But the Connor's still seem to be shining through it all.
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 21:21:48 GMT -5
Post by rove3 on Sept 9, 2008 21:21:48 GMT -5
Oy, she has a little brother?
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 21:24:42 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 9, 2008 21:24:42 GMT -5
Within one of the trailers, we see John and Riley discussing things inside a child's bedroom, laying on the kid's bed. Plus in most of the trailers, the child appears. Cameron even interacts with him. Based on what we've got that we be a yes.
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 21:38:48 GMT -5
Post by traitorsgate on Sept 9, 2008 21:38:48 GMT -5
Normally I'd be the first to turn my nose up at any hint of a teen angle in the show but in the case of Riley I think it's necessary. If JC is generally meant to be a leader of men then at some point he needs to learn how to relate to and interact with other humans. Thus far we've seen a young boy who is somewhat socially stunted, that needs to change.
Confining his relationships to a Bot with it's own set of issues, an Uncle with PTSD and an overly protective mother and JC is in danger of never being able to stand up in front of others and convince them of his credentials. The sort of relationships he has with the aforementioned characters is understandable and ultimately necessary but he also needs a counter balance which is where characters like Riley come into play.
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Riley
Sept 9, 2008 21:41:20 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 9, 2008 21:41:20 GMT -5
Normally I'd be the first to turn my nose up at any hint of a teen angle in the show but in the case of Riley I think it's necessary. If JC is generally meant to be a leader of men then at some point he needs to learn how to relate to and interact with other humans. Thus far we've seen a young boy who is somewhat socially stunted, that needs to change. Confining his relationships to a Bot with it's own set of issues, an Uncle with PTSD and an overly protective mother and JC is in danger of never being able to stand up in front of others and convince them of his credentials. The sort of relationships he has with the aforementioned characters is understandable and ultimately necessary but he also needs a counter balance which is where characters like Riley come into play. Second that.
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Riley
Sept 14, 2008 5:20:00 GMT -5
Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 14, 2008 5:20:00 GMT -5
I'd be inclined to agree, except for what the Resistance officer told Derek: "Connor doesn't have any friends and he doesn't talk to anyone." John Connor is "the Messiah". I don't see him having a lot of close friends around, despite Cameron saying he did in season one (how would she know? She's a Terminator!), and despite Derek saying he celebrated his 30th birthday with him and John got drunk. I'm sure he develops enough social skills to deal with his people regardless of whether he makes it in high school. He's not going for class president, he's going for leader of mankind - it ain't the same thing.
Hitler was socially stunted, but commanded an entire country into a war that destroyed it. And even though he was socially stunted, women fawned over him. Power does that.
So, yeah, I'm really ambivalent about this Riley character. The impression I get from Josh is that getting involved with Riley is part of John being "rebellious" and pulling away from Sarah. There's the line in the promo, "When is the time for me to live my life?" Well, John, actually never, and you'd better get used to that.
So I hope Josh doesn't spend too much time on this - although from the point of view of getting the teenage audience, presumably it's not that bad an idea. At least we're supposedly doing away with the whole high school track from here on out. That's an improvement.
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Riley
Sept 16, 2008 1:59:28 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 16, 2008 1:59:28 GMT -5
Personally, I feel like Riley's a nice breath of fresh air in the Connor household and if John needs her, he needs her. I can't for the life of me agree with the rebellious phase issue in regards to Riley. As a guy myself, I don't buy that for a second in regards to time spent with other women. John can't spent 24-7 with his mother and Cameron. It just doesn't cut it especially when there are other women out there that may peak his own interest. He also needs other forms of love in his life, when it comes down to it.
Does it mean she has to be the love of his life? No, not necessarily. We've only touched on corner stones at this point and things are going to develop how they develop.
Noting that this is actually the first post after her first appearence in Episode 2x02.
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Riley
Sept 16, 2008 9:49:23 GMT -5
Post by cdawg on Sept 16, 2008 9:49:23 GMT -5
Hey! Leven posted a new note on her site last night, and gives a little insight into the character of Riley, so I thought I'd post it here
I hope you all watched my debut at Riley tonight on T:SCC! I personally loved the episode and so did my Dad (who could barely understand it but was thoroughly entertained)! I hope everyone liked Riley...but I agree, I look FUGLY on the episode. I mean like a DOG. But that was sor tof the intention, (I was told) as she grows to be more comfortable with herself and evolves into a more sophisticated young woman. So, don't fret, I will not be looking that "fat" and "ugly" much longer. I am even looking forward to next week already!! As always, I loved the Cameron fight scenes at the power plant. Amazing!! Keep watching and thanks for the love.
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Riley
Sept 16, 2008 14:18:51 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 16, 2008 14:18:51 GMT -5
Thanks for posting up the details of her blog.
I'm actually curious to see what Josh and co. have in mind for her in regards to the overall arc, besides the typical rumored fan death.
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Riley
Sept 17, 2008 2:02:54 GMT -5
Post by allergygal on Sept 17, 2008 2:02:54 GMT -5
Fat and ugly? Who the hell thought she looked fat and ugly? And if last night's intro isn't really how she's going to be, then I'm already disappointed. I really liked Riley last night. I don't want her to be a "more sophisticated young woman". Bummer Also, I guess this means I should hold off on making an action figure of her until the character settles in. Maybe I'll try working on a Catherine instead.
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Riley
Sept 17, 2008 2:26:38 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Sept 17, 2008 2:26:38 GMT -5
Leven states it specifically here: www.levenrambin.com/fans.phpPersonally thought she was hot. Even if their going to let her expand as a character, so be it. It makes sense if John is growing as a character then so should she.
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Riley
Sept 17, 2008 9:32:57 GMT -5
Post by rove3 on Sept 17, 2008 9:32:57 GMT -5
So far not liking her at all. They didn't even try to ease her into John's life. She just barged right in, ignoring that he initially didn't seem interested and tried to brush her off. Then she ignores the rather icy reception she got from mom and "sis" and not only stays, but stays the night to boot? Who does that? Her whole approach to John seemed very deliberate, almost like it was a mission...she was there to get her foot in the door and she wasn't going to back away. It was almost like Sarah getting close to Greenway. I'm not wholly convinced that Riley is just an normal girl. Her approach seemed forced, she got the "you're full of apples and carrots" (or whatever she said) wrong, she seemed to be focused on food. I don't know, something just feels off. Some have speculated on TWoP that maybe she's also from the future, but unclear which side sent her. One poster posed the theory that perhaps in the future a separate resistance faction has emerged, one that is not entirely happy with John's use of and trust in the terminators.
That at least would make Riley interesting for me but if she really is just a normal, present day teen then not so much. John can rebel, although he really just came off more petulant entertaining at home while the others are off risking their lives yet again. He is just irresponsibly risking Riley's life by associating with her and by mixing his school world with his home world. The high school scene was okay last season, and John had his "friends", but that was because the two worlds didn't mix. What would have happened if Riley had been there when future-warning-guy crashed through the window? What's going to happen when she and John are hanging out watching tv when the next terminator rings the bell. I mean c'mon. Charley and his wife are already having to go on the run for their own protection simply b/c of Charley's association with the Connors and what he now knows. He at least had a useful skill to bring to the table, unlike Riley. She can only be a distraction for John or, even worse, a liability. He is not a normal kid, he is not destined for a normal life. He can be pissed about that all he wants but that doesn't give him the right to involve an innocent girl in a known dangerous situation. Twenty dead, armed FBI guys here remember, John? Helloooo, McFly?
Unless of course she is from the future in which case I hope she sets John straight real quick. Cameron's reference to upsetting people (not Sarah and Derek) was certainly odd in that regard.
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