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Nov 9, 2008 6:56:18 GMT -5
Post by t101 on Nov 9, 2008 6:56:18 GMT -5
I rather think he sees her as an escape. Someone who is very much not like himself.
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Nov 9, 2008 11:35:33 GMT -5
Post by tom on Nov 9, 2008 11:35:33 GMT -5
I think he sees her someone who could understand him. She's also very independent and a hothead. So maybe he kinda sees himself in her. Neither of them care what other people think, they just go after their heads, regardless of the consequences.
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Nov 9, 2008 12:28:32 GMT -5
Post by t101 on Nov 9, 2008 12:28:32 GMT -5
Really? I'm not seeing that at all. I think John and that girl from season 1 were kindred spirits. She also had a parent who kept her under tight lid. Not caring about what others say is actually not John at all, it's only a recent development. John and Riley seems like a classic case of the opposites, she is outgoing and free, he is antisocial and with a controlling parent. He doesn't see himself in her, he sees a normal life he doesn't have.
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Nov 9, 2008 13:04:40 GMT -5
Post by tom on Nov 9, 2008 13:04:40 GMT -5
Seeing that side, you're totally right. I based my opinion on how they both make bad decisions. And especially when they make them together.
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Nov 9, 2008 13:38:21 GMT -5
Post by t101 on Nov 9, 2008 13:38:21 GMT -5
Yeah. I can't blame Riley for anything though. She's completely clueless of the consequences.
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Nov 9, 2008 17:14:43 GMT -5
Post by tom on Nov 9, 2008 17:14:43 GMT -5
Well, we will see how she reacts or changes if she finds out what's up with the Connors. I bet it would slap her!
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Riley
Nov 9, 2008 19:36:22 GMT -5
Post by vicheron on Nov 9, 2008 19:36:22 GMT -5
Really? I'm not seeing that at all. I think John and that girl from season 1 were kindred spirits. She also had a parent who kept her under tight lid. Not caring about what others say is actually not John at all, it's only a recent development. John and Riley seems like a classic case of the opposites, she is outgoing and free, he is antisocial and with a controlling parent. He doesn't see himself in her, he sees a normal life he doesn't have. But that's not the "real" John. I'm talking about the John we saw in T2, before he had the burden of being humanity's savior. John is a free spirit but he's being forced to suppress it. Riley helps bring that side of him out again.
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Nov 9, 2008 20:15:57 GMT -5
Post by terrasj on Nov 9, 2008 20:15:57 GMT -5
Really? I'm not seeing that at all. I think John and that girl from season 1 were kindred spirits. She also had a parent who kept her under tight lid. Not caring about what others say is actually not John at all, it's only a recent development. John and Riley seems like a classic case of the opposites, she is outgoing and free, he is antisocial and with a controlling parent. He doesn't see himself in her, he sees a normal life he doesn't have. But that's not the "real" John. I'm talking about the John we saw in T2, before he had the burden of being humanity's savior. John is a free spirit but he's being forced to suppress it. Riley helps bring that side of him out again. True, but at what expense does that come? Since John has Riley on the mind, he's getting bold, careless, and reckless. Gave Riley the alarm code, but neither remembered to re-arm it on her way out the window, allowing the thugs to have an easy break-in. Cameron's kept quiet about John's activities til now, that its starting to become a problem. And Sarah's having to put her foot down on John. Riley's got the benefit of ignorance and innocence for her interest and involvement with John. But not John - he should know better; he full well knows whats all going on , and what's at stake. But because of her presence, he's choosing her company over all else. Thats how even indirectly Riley's a bad influence on John.
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Nov 9, 2008 20:29:21 GMT -5
Post by tom on Nov 9, 2008 20:29:21 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying too. The problem is not that they have a relationship, but how they have it, how John has it. He should be more careful and everything would be fine(except Cameron's 'jealousy') By the way I'm not sure we can draw a parallel between T2 and TSCC John. They seem totally different to me.
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Nov 9, 2008 21:52:11 GMT -5
Post by terrasj on Nov 9, 2008 21:52:11 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying too. The problem is not that they have a relationship, but how they have it, how John has it. He should be more careful and everything would be fine(except Cameron's 'jealousy') By the way I'm not sure we can draw a parallel between T2 and TSCC John. They seem totally different to me. Not a parallel between T2 John and TSCC John, but rather T2 John and TSCC Riley - if Riley being a foster child is valid. She currently would be what John once was. Riley "Lucky" Dawson That would be interesting to watch a scene like that - Cameron flashing her eyes blue, and Riley calling Cameron a freaky-scary scary robot.... 'sister' ... ;D Watching Cameron becoming jealous of Riley would be interesting to watch also. It would certainly imply other complications in the series plotlines, and further aspects of Cameron's character that'd best be discussed in the Cameron or Cameron/John threads.
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Riley
Nov 9, 2008 23:55:08 GMT -5
Post by vicheron on Nov 9, 2008 23:55:08 GMT -5
I never said that Riley bringing out the rebellious side of John is a good thing. John is much more selfish now than he was during T2. In T2, John only put himself in danger to save Sarah. This time, he's putting other people in danger to satisfy his own desires. The fact that he didn't break off his relationship with Riley after Cromartie went to his house is just stupid. If John doesn't tell Sarah about Cromartie's visit then it would just be extremely irresponsible since he would be putting everyone in danger.
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Riley
Nov 10, 2008 22:58:51 GMT -5
Post by terrasj on Nov 10, 2008 22:58:51 GMT -5
Looks like she gets to live for now...
And she did get freaky-scared there starting at the jailhouse and backseat of the car being shot at...
Yet after all that, she still doesn't want to leave John. I wonder what their plans really were with taking that trip to Mexico... Although I don't think I need to guess what they would've been up to hadn't they run into the guy who recognized them...
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Riley
Nov 11, 2008 2:57:03 GMT -5
Post by sarah on Nov 11, 2008 2:57:03 GMT -5
This episode was good for Riley's character development --even if I'm less sure that I like her now. She confessed that she has issues w/attachment. She demonstrated her observation skills in detecting John's lie tell. She showed her quickness by destroying the camera. And once again utilized a talent for lying in order to get them out of jail. On the flip side, she was hysterical exiting the jail (ok, justified behavior, i know), she killed the 'romance' for John in the bus and suite, and might end up a drag on John rather a cheer-upper. If she's going to create negative drama for John, then I'm not interested in having her around. I like 3D and all but her primary asset as a character, IMO, is her ability to make John smile. Lose that and she's just another crease on the Connors' foreheads.
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Riley
Nov 11, 2008 4:07:08 GMT -5
Post by allergygal on Nov 11, 2008 4:07:08 GMT -5
Brought over from the ep 8 discussion: I'm probably in the minority, but I love Riley/John together. John needs someone in his life that sees him as a person and not the great savior of mankind. Riley has seen the danger. She can decide if it's worth being in John's life. I hope their relationship continues. I like her too, but I don't want to see her become Sarah or Cameron. What I like about Riley is she's sort of the opposing force in John's life. I think she craves normalcy as much as he does (funny she should pick John Connor's life to stumble into). She wants family, she wants belonging, she wants acceptance. Whether or not she'll live long enough to find any of that with John and his messed up family remains to be seen (if she sticks around after the experience in Mexico, but I suspect she will or what a useless story arc that would have been).
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Riley
Nov 11, 2008 4:44:14 GMT -5
Post by vicheron on Nov 11, 2008 4:44:14 GMT -5
If Riley wanted normalcy she would not have befriended John. John was weird loner kid at school and she becomes interested in him. She knows that they have something in common. They both want to get away from something.
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