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Riley
Nov 11, 2008 5:00:50 GMT -5
Post by chrisimo on Nov 11, 2008 5:00:50 GMT -5
If Riley wanted normalcy she would not have befriended John. John was weird loner kid at school and she becomes interested in him. She knows that they have something in common. They both want to get away from something. It is possible that they both want to run from their non-normal life.
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Riley
Nov 11, 2008 5:28:07 GMT -5
Post by vicheron on Nov 11, 2008 5:28:07 GMT -5
John definitely has what psychologists would call the Jonah complex, attempting to run away from one's destiny and a fear of not being able to achieve their full potential. I don't know what Riley's deal is so I can't tell what she's running from.
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Riley
Nov 12, 2008 13:41:11 GMT -5
Post by Deep Art Frummy on Nov 12, 2008 13:41:11 GMT -5
How could anyone want her character to be killed off? Her acting is some of the best on this show.
I hope she's a long term character, but I don't want her becoming another "warrior" like everyone else. Just keep her @ bay with that stuff.
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Riley
Nov 13, 2008 5:11:48 GMT -5
Post by sarah on Nov 13, 2008 5:11:48 GMT -5
I don't mind Riley becoming more 'useful' to Team Connor -rather than just to John- but I'd like that to be due to her quick-thinking skillz vs. gun-toting grimness. Btw, I agree, Deep Art Frummy. I really like Leven Rambin. She's been good so far and I think she's a talented enough actress to deliver more if/when Riley has more to do.
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Riley
Nov 19, 2008 17:03:09 GMT -5
Post by terminatornerd on Nov 19, 2008 17:03:09 GMT -5
Riley is a bad omen for John... every time she's around the John Connor he needs to be gets drained away.
I hear she's now in the Back 9. Color me very disappointed.
I would rather this blonde-acting, ditz of a girl became one of the bad guys.
There are many ways in which to do it, and all creative and much more interesting than being John's "bonk" buddy.
John being betrayed by the likes of Riley would be a very cool turn of events.
All Riley has to do is find out about John and Cameron (their real identities), get a negative vibe from their love for each other, and become easily swayed by any number of the other "bad guys" like Jesse, Catherine, or even another Terminator or Ellison to turn on John and Cam, Sarah and Derek.
She then, unwittingly, or wittingly becomes a Greycoat, a traitor.
Our little sweetness and light becomes anything but that.
A lesson in DUALITY. Cam, a machine and a killer, becomes loving and "gets it" and receives her "heart" as a gift for her ascension. She has become more, much, much more than just a cyborg. She breaks the mould.
Riley, an innocent, human teen becomes unclean and a Judas in the ranks. She has become much, much less.
John is forced to deal with Riley and it mans him up like a hard slap across the face or a 2x4 to the head.
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Riley
Nov 19, 2008 18:25:48 GMT -5
Post by vicheron on Nov 19, 2008 18:25:48 GMT -5
If Riley turns against the Connors then it'll be John's fault for not telling her anything. All the "blunders" Riley has made were due to her ignorance of what was really going on. John is just being extremely irresponsible by putting Riley in these dangerous situations without explaining anything to her.
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Riley
Nov 19, 2008 18:57:47 GMT -5
Post by richardstevenhack on Nov 19, 2008 18:57:47 GMT -5
Poor Cameron needs to get rid of this girl, but she can't off her because it would alienate John - and that's one thing Cameron absolutely cannot do.
So the only thing she can do is try to get John to get rid of her - a difficult task.
But she's trying. More effectively than Sarah is, too.
And the last thing Cameron wants is for John to explain everything to Riley and enlist her in the "cause". That would really tie John and Riley together and seriously threaten Cameron's agenda.
In that situation, Cameron would have to set Riley up to get killed without being blamed for it. Cameron's smart enough to do that, too.
Cameron is between a rock and a hard place at this point. But Terminators are resourceful - look at Cromartie. Cameron will figure something out.
I really doubt Riley is going to be around for a third season. If the story comes down to Leven or Summer, we KNOW who's going to be kept on - and it ain't Leven.
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Riley
Nov 21, 2008 1:24:28 GMT -5
Post by terminatornerd on Nov 21, 2008 1:24:28 GMT -5
Poor Cameron needs to get rid of this girl, but she can't off her because it would alienate John - and that's one thing Cameron absolutely cannot do. So the only thing she can do is try to get John to get rid of her - a difficult task. But she's trying. More effectively than Sarah is, too. And the last thing Cameron wants is for John to explain everything to Riley and enlist her in the "cause". That would really tie John and Riley together and seriously threaten Cameron's agenda. In that situation, Cameron would have to set Riley up to get killed without being blamed for it. Cameron's smart enough to do that, too. Cameron is between a rock and a hard place at this point. But Terminators are resourceful - look at Cromartie. Cameron will figure something out. I really doubt Riley is going to be around for a third season. If the story comes down to Leven or Summer, we KNOW who's going to be kept on - and it ain't Leven. At the rate things are going... there probably won't be a third season, sorry to say. I particularly loathe the Riley character. An absolute waste of time IMHO. In keeping with my thoughts above, I'd LOVE to see Riley turn traitorous and actually work with Jesse or some other person to get rid of Cameron. John saves Cam and shows his true feelings for her, but is badly injured in the process. Cameron takes it upon herself, while John is recovering, to find out who was behind this attempt on her life and who did this to John as well. She finds out that Riley was involved and she takes her (not exactly nicely) back to Sarah and Derek and shows Riley what has happened to John by her misguided actions. Riley, in a fit of despair, confesses her part in the crime. Cameron persuades Sarah and Derek to let John deal with her. John's first BIG command decision when he's able... what to do with Riley the traitor. What should her punishment be?
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Riley
Nov 21, 2008 1:39:15 GMT -5
Post by rossbondreturns on Nov 21, 2008 1:39:15 GMT -5
Ratings were up six percent last week actually.
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Riley
Nov 25, 2008 1:25:09 GMT -5
Post by richardstevenhack on Nov 25, 2008 1:25:09 GMT -5
Well - now we know after tonight! Riley IS a traitor! She's a plant by Jesse!
Even I didn't see that one coming! Kudos to Josh and the writers for still being able to surprise me!
It would be interesting to find out how Jesse latched onto her and set her on to John. What motivated Riley to do this? Is there some past or future relationship between her and Jesse? Did Jesse just somehow convince her about Judgment Day?
Given Jesse's ruthlessness, I suspect whatever method was used was not particularly nice.
And I suspect Riley is going to pay one big price for being used in this way.
For one thing, this opens the way for Cameron to off her and then avoid any negative results from John. All Cameron has to do is expose her as an agent of Jesse.
Unfortunately Cameron appears to be as unaware of these events as the rest of them. If Cameron would start getting suspicious of Derek's activities away from the house, she might start following him - which would lead her to Jesse, and possibly Riley. If she started following Ellison, it would lead her to Weaver.
Hopefully what Cameron does at night will somehow lead to her becoming aware of these threats to her and John.
Riley might not actually be a bad person - she doesn't seem to be. She seems to be simply someone who's "damaged goods" and is being used by Jesse.
Maybe in fact Riley is where the character of Cheri Westin was going to go last season before the writer's strike. The similarities between the two as "damaged goods" appears to be striking.
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Riley
Nov 25, 2008 2:01:10 GMT -5
Post by aceplace57 on Nov 25, 2008 2:01:10 GMT -5
Riley is in a foster home, has almost no money or self-esteem. Her ticket to a better life is money. Jesse showed the green and Riley was willing to do anything.
I don't understand why Jesse told Riley about J Day. That seems unnecessary. Riley seemed pretty freaked when she told her foster family they were all just bleached bones.
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Riley
Nov 25, 2008 2:15:35 GMT -5
Post by richardstevenhack on Nov 25, 2008 2:15:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure Riley's motivation was strictly money. She doesn't seem the type to be overly concerned about that at her age.
Her foster home situation seems to be aggravated more by her knowledge of Judgment Day than anything else.
Her being freaked by her knowledge of Judgement Day seems reasonable. If she had some sort of poor home life prior to the arrival of Jesse, being told the world was going to end in four years wouldn't have helped her mood any. If she thought her life was going nowhere before, she's really screwed up now.
For that alone, Jesse probably ought to be shot.
One saving grace for Riley is that she seems genuinely unhappy with being used this way. I suspect that sooner or later she will break down and reveal the truth to John - if Cameron doesn't find out sooner (and she'd better hope John finds out first, because Cameron will kill her.)
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Riley
Dec 1, 2008 15:57:34 GMT -5
Post by rove3 on Dec 1, 2008 15:57:34 GMT -5
How could anyone want her character to be killed off? Her acting is some of the best on this show. LOL, I was actually thinking the exact opposite after watching One, Two Point. I saw many of the overly exaggerated facial expressions that are so common in soap opera land. So Riley is a mole. And uncle Derek is keeping secrets from the messiah and yet sharing top secrets ABOUT the messiah. No wonder future John only keeps company with metal. Hopefully this means Riley's story arc will end sooner rather than later. Cameron dying would pretty much kill the show. Riley's? Not so much.
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Riley
Dec 25, 2008 19:27:40 GMT -5
Post by Derek Reese on Dec 25, 2008 19:27:40 GMT -5
One saving grace for Riley is that she seems genuinely unhappy with being used this way. I suspect that sooner or later she will break down and reveal the truth to John - if Cameron doesn't find out sooner (and she'd better hope John finds out first, because Cameron will kill her.) That's what I figure as well.
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Riley
Mar 1, 2009 11:39:18 GMT -5
Post by fsgsydney on Mar 1, 2009 11:39:18 GMT -5
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