James Cameron's T3

[Derek Reese]

What do believe it would have been?

[kittybot]

Would of made a better T3. Thats what I believe.

[Ronnie]

I would be curious to pick his brain, that's for sure. I believe he wanted it wrapped up with T2, but he could have done plenty with a Third.

I'm sure he would have made it a much darker movie. There were a lot of bright day time scenes which didn't flow with the rest of the movies, but I think the style was still good.

The ending is probably what I am most curious about. The twist in T3 REALLY got to me, and it easily one of those moments in movies. At least for me, I loved it.

[Derek Reese]

I'll admit I do have a soft spot for Mostow's movie. It's not the greatest, but I would have prefered Cameron on the project. I mean even Arnie lobbied to get him back, but it wasn't enough.

[ReeseDN38416]

What was James Cameron up to at the time? Sending cameras to Mars? Was he going to do a Mars movie?

I think it would have been more John Connor focused rather than focusing on some new character we'd never heard of before. I like the idea of John Connor's leiutenants. Maybe that would have been the focus. Sort of like in Aliens where there was a large group of people... I don't know.

There would have been more poetry if that makes sense. Mosow's film was very clean and straightforward. James Cameron has a lot of poetic shots that just... say a lot without words. Like Sarah's dream from T2 (deleted scene) and Sarah loading her gun then while watching the Terminator with John Connor in T2. There are some haunting character moments where you just see thier eyes. That was lacking in T3.

[kittybot]

rondogg said:

I'm sure he would have made it a much darker movie. There were a lot of bright day time scenes which didn't flow with the rest of the movies, but I think the style was still good.

I agree, it was like a step back and down, too PG-13, hardly any strong language or violence, scare/thrill factor, too glossy (I'm not really a potty-mouth-violence-lover but this film just lacked the raw little things that pieced together the other films). Having it say Terminator and star Arnie just didnt sell me that its a Terminator film.
And does anyone else think it lacked the color blue? I just remember seeing alot of blue, metallic blue in the previous films.

The ending was probably the thing I liked and when Marco's score stood out since through the film I was like missing the signature theme from the previous films which is very important to the movies. It was too subtle and not organic and climatic enough like Brad Fidel's score until the end. It was sad since the world was coming to an end but you'd think with J-Day finally here the music would be more dramatic like in the highway end scene of T2.

I'm not gonna get started again on how wrong John was written in T3 to me. Running and not fighting until it was too late and he had no choice

[Derek Reese]

I personally didn't have any issue with him living off the grid. I didn't see it as running. It was more of a security measure in case Judgement Day did happen and he figured right on that account, by living up to what his mother taught him.

[kittybot]

I wanted to see him gather up followers underground or something instead of being a loner. Thats what I hoped when I first heard about leiutenants being targetted in this one.

I mean yeah he could get landed in a rubber room if he opened his mouth about robots but he deep down didnt truly believe he was safe, it was over, and he wasnt doing anything except making sure he lived. He said he never went to Sarah's funeral, which I understand why to keep himself out of sight, but then again not just that it was disrespcful but he should of went just incase she had something left behind for him like that casket full of guns.

The last line "..all I know is what the Terminator taught me; never stop fighting"
He should of learnt that through Sarah. Not saying she didnt teach him enough, but it didnt fully register in his head until the bombs fell. He knew about survival but then a Terminator was sent back to ensure he & Kate would survive while the T-X was sent to kill the leiutenants since John's whereabouts were unknown. It just seemed I dunno how to describe it but say ''fanfic' to me, especially with Kate in the story.

Its an alright movie, loved seeing Arnie onscreen as Terminator again, but I prefer TSCC over T3. I'll still watch T4 though.

[Derek Reese]

The thing is he never fully knew if Judgment Day was going to happen. Yeah, he had the chance to be prepared for it and gather Lts., but the threat wasn't immedate. Judgment Day went past it's original target date. John was questioning it the entire film. Only when the Terminator came back into play, did he accept the sense that it was coming back to haunt him again.

Besides that it's not like he can go around and start asking people about the war ahead. It's not like the Terminators gave him a list of survivors and people that would be fighting with him in the war.

Besides that in all probability the population on the planet was decreased entirely by the time the bombs hit. People have to accept the threat fully before believing it and the Connor's knew it personally. The outside world didn't.

Regardless John was still prepared, even if he didn't seem to be. His mother's training and his own experiences were there.

The war itself had to start to bring others in play.

[rossbondreturns]

I will share some detailed files later.

[kittybot]

I guess I'm just bitter about the things John said in T3 like
"frak my destiny"
and "my mom fed me that sh*t since the cradle, I'm no leader I never was"
(whether he meant it or not)
I liked however in the gag reel when Nick is stuck on his lines saying "why why me?"
Arnold turns around and says "Because you're John Connor, duh"

[Ronnie]

In T2, John always thought his mom was a little whacky for telling people he was a 'some great military leader', so he never really went into full on 'Ok I am THE John Connor, I am going to kick ass in the future so I will start now!'

After T2, they THOUGHT J-Day was over. Hence T3 John's feelings of trying to avoid his Destiny yet again. It wasn't until he figured everthing out at the End that he finally came to accept it.

That's my take, anyways.

I thought it was an awesome tie-in to T2, with shots of the hallways from Future Scenes in T2, as well as John picking up the radio and taking up his position finally.

[Derek Reese]

I'm with you on this one, Ronnie.