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Post by aceplace57 on Feb 27, 2009 22:13:14 GMT -5
I'll have to rewatch a couple times before making any coherent comments.
The biggest question is.... When the heck was she kidnapped? Was it way back when she went in the warehouse and fought with the security guard? If so, does that mean everything in the last three episodes was a dream?
I noticed Sarah had the bloody bandage on her thigh at the very end of this episode. It was missing throughout the Desert Cantos episode. Makes me think that was a dream for sure. How about the episode with the doc digging out the bullet. Dream too?
It's late and I'll rewatch tomorrow. I heard some very sharply written dialogue that deserves quoting. But, I'm beat. Later!
**update** The bandage I saw was on the left arm. Not the left thigh. The scene with her driving was dark and the bandage is only visible for a second.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 27, 2009 22:14:54 GMT -5
I think you've finally come up with a plot twist that would make me walk away... also, if Sarah had a kid by C-section other than John, she'd have thought about her while drugged and in pain?
ALSO... can i just say that the thing with the thumb was beyond gross. And I'm glad I'm a writer because I am so not tough enough to be a character in a story.
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Post by cyadon on Feb 27, 2009 22:16:31 GMT -5
^ mwahahahahaha! No. I'm all over this theory. I could be so off base it's ridiculous, but right now, I feel sure that Sarah has a daughter hidden away with another family somewhere. It's just as like that Jesse is Sarah's daughter as this theory could possibly happen. I do not believe the ultimate mama bear has a missing kid somewhere. Unless it's Jesse, because that might make sense.
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Post by allergygal on Feb 27, 2009 22:23:40 GMT -5
I think you've finally come up with a plot twist that would make me walk away... also, if Sarah had a kid by C-section other than John, she'd have thought about her while drugged and in pain? Meanwhile, I think I would love it. It would totally bust the story wide open. But I can't believe you'd denounce my wacky theory so harshly! It's just as like that Jesse is Sarah's daughter as this theory could possibly happen. I do not believe the ultimate mama bear has a missing kid somewhere. Unless it's Jesse, because that might make sense. Uh no. Now you're just trying to take my wacky theory and turn it into something icky. Clearly I've struck a nerve though. I post a wacky theory and you guys are actually upset about it. This makes me think I really am onto something. ;D
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Post by thecolours on Feb 27, 2009 22:26:47 GMT -5
^ mwahahahahaha! No. I'm all over this theory. I could be so off base it's ridiculous, but right now, I feel sure that Sarah has a daughter hidden away with another family somewhere. OMGZ, it's Riley! Think about it. lol
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Post by schmacky on Feb 27, 2009 22:26:59 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm on board with Sarah having a child that is alive out there somewhere.
But, I wouldn't be surprised if the c-section is from another child but s/he died. And all the things you listed AG in previous episodes makes sense. I mean, yeah when she was talking to Sherman didn't want to talk about her daughter she could have just meant it like we originally thought. SHe doesn't want to talk about her fake-cyborg daughter. BUt it also makes sense if she doesn't want to talk about it because she did have a daughter but that child is now dead. I don't know. I seriously wouldn't put it past the writers to throw that twist in there. If they ever do, I doubt it would ever be in this season.
Ya know, it's not crazy to think that Sarah could have gotten pregnant sometime after John. According to John in T2, she slept with a lot of guys to get the training and weapons and everything. Hmmmmmm
So, how does everyone feel about how Sarah REALLY killed Winston? I actually prefer this one to the one in Earthlings. I'm not big on killing and everything but this one I totally could stand behind. Winston was a direct threat to John and she killed him to protect him.
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Post by aceplace57 on Feb 27, 2009 22:27:41 GMT -5
Well, based on the pilot we know Sarah wasn't exactly celibate for 20 years. Forget that pill a couple times and surprises will happen. ;D
There could be another kid out there. Keeping the birth a secret would give the child a normal life without any T's showing up.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 27, 2009 22:30:26 GMT -5
TSCC is a story about a mother who's always trying to balance being her son's protector with being his mother, naturally plots and details are going to strike at the core of that relationship and both Sarah and John's desires for a more normal, less armed relationship.
Also, Cameron represents everything Sarah hates. That's reason enough not to want to discuss her robot daughter's disaffection.
URGH.
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Post by DEM on Feb 27, 2009 22:31:39 GMT -5
Immediate reaction/crosspost:Oh ho ho! Rock on! That was totally twisted and very much excellent. Natalie Chaidez & Denise Thé are my heroes. (ed note: I SWEaR I didn't steal that from Schmacky!)In a nutshell: Every non-van scene after Sarah was tasered was dream-world. (IOW, Winston was not dead before, but he is now.) I think I should have figured that out after the clinic went on with business as usual after the roommate roast, but it'll be fun to re-watch and look for earlier clues. My favourite bit of acting from LH was the second (I think) patio scene with John, when Sarah was acting extra-crazy. The biting-of-tendon-in-order-to-break-thumb was a close second. All throughout I kept wondering why Cameron was acting so "flirty" toward John and smirky toward Sarah. Now I understand. Twas all about Sarah's anxiety. Interesting that Derek was nowhere to be found in Sarah's dreamscape. I could interpret that for ages. Smirk. Bottom line: Loved it. (Except the CHEVY! and DODGE!) More thought after reading thread:Just Say. NO. to heretofore unmentioned daughter. I died a thousand deaths just typing that. I didn't notice the bandage on Sarah's leg. Huh. That makes no sense given Cantos, does it? Then again, the non-limping in Cantos made no sense, so....
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Post by schmacky on Feb 27, 2009 22:35:55 GMT -5
TSCC is a story about a mother who's always trying to balance being her son's protector with being his mother, naturally plots and details are going to strike at the core of that relationship and both Sarah and John's desires for a more normal, less armed relationship. Also, Cameron represents everything Sarah hates. That's reason enough not to want to discuss her robot daughter's disaffection. URGH. Would it be as bad if the supposed child died at birth?
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Post by thecolours on Feb 27, 2009 22:36:08 GMT -5
^ mwahahahahaha! No. I'm all over this theory. I could be so off base it's ridiculous, but right now, I feel sure that Sarah has a daughter hidden away with another family somewhere. It's just as like that Jesse is Sarah's daughter as this theory could possibly happen. I do not believe the ultimate mama bear has a missing kid somewhere. Unless it's Jesse, because that might make sense. Hmm... crazy girl who thinks she can stop Skynet single handedly, hates Cameron, knows what's best for John, and is in love with a Reese. Holy SH*T. Jesse is Sarah's long lost daughter!
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Post by allergygal on Feb 27, 2009 22:37:12 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm on board with Sarah having a child that is alive out there somewhere. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the c-section is from another child but s/he died. And all the things you listed AG in previous episodes makes sense. I mean, yeah when she was talking to Sherman didn't want to talk about her daughter she could have just meant it like we originally thought. SHe doesn't want to talk about her fake-cyborg daughter. BUt it also makes sense if she doesn't want to talk about it because she did have a daughter but that child is now dead. I don't know. I seriously wouldn't put it past the writers to throw that twist in there. If they ever do, I doubt it would ever be in this season. Ya know, it's not crazy to think that Sarah could have gotten pregnant sometime after John. According to John in T2, she slept with a lot of guys to get the training and weapons and everything. Hmmmmmm So, how does everyone feel about how Sarah REALLY killed Winston? I actually prefer this one to the one in Earthlings. I'm not big on killing and everything but this one I totally could stand behind. Winston was a direct threat to John and she killed him to protect him. Yay! Someone is at least wiling to consider my theory You know, I prefer this killing of Winston more too. I thought it was kind of a dirty trick for the show to spend all this time on Sarah not killing only to toss her into a situation where she has to kill to in self-defense. I didn't have a problem with that, but if Sarah was ever going to kill someone, I much prefer it to be in the protection of John. And that was way cool how she actually got to talk to the guy she ends up killing about the fact that he'd been her first kill (while she thought she was dreaming). Very weird and very cool. Whoever Winston was talking to on the phone is going to be coming for John, though. They know Sarah has a son and that he's important.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 27, 2009 22:42:09 GMT -5
Just Say. NO. to heretofore unmentioned daughter. I died a thousand deaths just typing that. Thank you. I feel better knowing I'm not alone. The idea is wrong beyond all wrong and Allergygal is just trying to make me crazy. Okay, take it as read that this response is based on a need to fanwank Cantos but that said... there's a difference between being able to walk without a limp a week or two later and someone grabbing your hurty bit. Of course, I'm basing my argument on a history of ankles that go "snap, crackle and pop" at the slightest provocation, not a gunshot would so ymmv. Damn. I need to watch this again. That would at least keep Sarah's behaviour in character. Wow, and I thought Sarah/Derek shipping was borderline before...
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Post by allergygal on Feb 27, 2009 22:44:11 GMT -5
Just Say. NO. to heretofore unmentioned daughter. I died a thousand deaths just typing that. Thank you. I feel better knowing I'm not alone. The idea is wrong beyond all wrong and Allergygal is just trying to make me crazy. Nope. I just happen to like my theory
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Post by DEM on Feb 27, 2009 22:47:28 GMT -5
You know, I prefer this killing of Winston more too. I thought it was kind of a dirty trick for the show to spend all this time on Sarah not killing only to toss her into a situation where she has to kill to in self-defense. I didn't have a problem with that, but if Sarah was ever going to kill someone, I much prefer it to be in the protection of John. And that was way cool how she actually got to talk to the guy she ends up killing about the fact that he'd been her first kill (while she thought she was dreaming). Very weird and very cool. Well, I didn't really care that it was in defence of John (specifically) vs self-defence, but I did appreciate that the writers tackled the issue head-on. I still find it hard to believe, because it seems improbable, but at least they addressed the question. As long as the show isn't moralistic about it (and so far it hasn't been), I can go along with the idea that Sarah had never killed anyone before. You know... thinking of that scene, it occurs to me that it'll be interesting to review LH's acting choices in all of the van scenes, given that she (unlike Sarah and us) knew the whole story. I remember thinking that it was odd how "casual" Sarah seemed to be. Now that I know what was going on, I can appreciate what LH did there. P.S. I really miss Sarah-Cameron scenes. I'd been thinking that for awhile (the past week), and the brief Anxiety-driven, Across-the-Room Eyeballing incidents in this ep made me miss them even more.
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