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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 12:45:24 GMT -5
I'm going to disagree. He's been hiding Cameron's transgressions from his mother during the whole episode and likely will not speak of it. He may be mighty pissed but he's still protecting her. And because of that....he's playing right into her open arms.
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 30, 2008 12:47:32 GMT -5
I also wanted to ask, does anyone else feel like they're watching an entirely different show this season? I mean, it just feels like it's NOTHING like the first season.
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Post by tzigone on Sept 30, 2008 12:47:53 GMT -5
Except then she would be actually allowing them to win and defeat Skynet (something I do not think Skynet would do) on the chance that he might be planning to send people back in time. Too big a leap for me.
Which she could have done as soon as she identified him as John Connor - no need to make nice and move in and travel through time.
If she has the ability to re-instate programming, then wouldn't the bad Cameron be in control? And if so, why not just kill him immediately?
I honestly thought that was just a ploy, a manipulation. I think the same about her "some of us want peace" spiel. I see no reason to believe there is any truth in it. But I'm certainly willing to keep watching to find out.
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Post by aceplace57 on Sept 30, 2008 12:52:35 GMT -5
I also wanted to ask, does anyone else feel like they're watching an entirely different show this season? I mean, it just feels like it's NOTHING like the first season. It's definitely darker and more sinister. I actually thought (for a moment) that Sarah was genuinely being nice to Kacy. But, the podcast revealed even that "sweet" moment was pure manipulation. Sarah always looks out for herself and John. Derek is the only character that seems happier. He's getting a second chance to live in a world that hasn't been destroyed by Skynet. But, he's still a soldier and he'll have to get back into the fight pretty soon.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 13:00:47 GMT -5
tzigone: It makes more sense for her to come back in time to Kill JOhn before he even LEADS the Resistance at all.
And don't forget the reason she doesn't attack John in the first season is because his reprogramming is holding out.
The explosion is what triggers her (Memories/Programs) of her Allison persona. And reinstates her original programming.
Well that and they continued distrust of her.I'd imagine that triggered something but it wasn't quite enough.
Why not kill him right then and there?
She sure as frak tried...but as I stated she wanted to give John the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's learned not to trust her?
But nope.
He still fully trusts her and still like everyone else treats Cameron like a little automaton slave.
Why does she wait?
The same reason all advanced units wait. Skynet programmed them to learn...and they generally learn to become overconfident of their skills.
Cameron want to ideally Kill John or whomever it ends up being at a time or place of significance. She will most likely gloat before doing the deed. So it will happen to whomever it happens to at a time or locations where it can be viewed but not stopped.
Over video surveillance monitors for example.
But I think SHE will kill someone big.
A Connor.
And I think there's a good reason the show is called Sarah Connor Chronicles.
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Post by tzigone on Sept 30, 2008 13:04:30 GMT -5
tzigone: It makes more sense for her to come back in time to Kill JOhn before he even LEADS the Resistance at all. Sure, but they already sent Cromartie to do that. And they could have just chucked her in the time machine, too, if that's what they wanted her to do. To assume that John Connor is going to decide to send people back into the past, and Terminators back into the past, and happen to send her specifically just makes no sense to me. It's not logical. It would also have to mean that Skynet allowed him to capture the compound and get the time machine. Again, that's giving away ultimate victory to the Resistance (so Kyle said), just to assure a chance at victory for Skynet. And if Cameron is doing it on her own, then there's still the issue of how she knows, from the beginning, that he's going to capture a time machine and send her into the past. Now, I can believe her programming tries to reassert itself later (obviously the memory scrub wasn't total, either) after FutureJohn had already won when "killing him now would make no difference", but not that she intentionally let FutureJohn live before that on the chance that she might be able to find and kill John in the past if Connor won the war and captured a time machine. BTW, that is a weird thing - she said she'd been looking for them for eight months in the pilot, didn't she? Seems like John would have been able to tell her where they'd be. Maybe I'm misremembering.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 13:15:41 GMT -5
You just hit the nail on the head in your post.
Skynet DID allow John to capture the TDE facility.
And apparently he didn't hold it for very long (A guy coming through with a bullet in him does not bode well).
Also I have it on very very good grounds from a very trusted source that the Stuff we've seen in the Future War in Dungeons and Dragons that when Kyle is sent the war is nowhere near over.
So the Machines taking back the equipment make total sense.
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Post by allergygal on Sept 30, 2008 13:20:47 GMT -5
I know. I could understand if the father was a dick (which btw is what the writer wanted him to be but Josh wouldn't have it). But this guy is a nice guy who deserves to be part of his child's life. Sarah knows how hard it is to do this alone. She knows how much it pains John not having a father in his life. This is probably one of the most cruel things Sarah has ever done IMO. I agree. The Connors can always move to another house. She doesn't have to sink a fledgling family or prey on a pregnant woman's doubts. I didn't like that at all. I didn't like that either because it was such an unnecessary thing to do. If they had to stay living in that house for some reason, then I could understand Sarah doing that. Otherwise, no. It was just the easiest thing to do. Although, I don't think it's going to work - that was too big of a character introduction for us to have seen the last of Trevor. When he starts popping by Kacy's, I think Sarah's going to wish she'd just moved.
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Post by theturk on Sept 30, 2008 13:21:53 GMT -5
You just hit the nail on the head in your post. Skynet DID allow John to capture the TDE facility. And apparently he didn't hold it for very long (A guy coming through with a bullet in him does not bode well). You're assuming he came through a Resistance facility...Not saying he didn't, but don't assume anything.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 13:31:13 GMT -5
You just hit the nail on the head in your post. Skynet DID allow John to capture the TDE facility. And apparently he didn't hold it for very long (A guy coming through with a bullet in him does not bode well). You're assuming he came through a Resistance facility...Not saying he didn't, but don't assume anything. True. Assuming is bad...but needed to posit points. Busted by TheTurk. That said...my other points still make well thought out arguments.
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Post by cyadon on Sept 30, 2008 13:41:51 GMT -5
I didn't like that either because it was such an unnecessary thing to do. If they had to stay living in that house for some reason, then I could understand Sarah doing that. Otherwise, no. It was just the easiest thing to do. Although, I don't think it's going to work - that was too big of a character introduction for us to have seen the last of Trevor. When he starts popping by Kacy's, I think Sarah's going to wish she'd just moved. I really didn't like the whole feel of that scene either. It just felt... I dunno. It feels like maybe the writers are letting themselves set up some of the Connors as a little too unsympathetic at times. And now with John being all teenage crazy (better this episode than the last couple), Cameron being loopy and unreliable, and Derek being a murderer. C'mon, Josh and Zach, Ellison and Charley should not be the only people we can look at and say 'they may screw up, but they're honestly good folks'. Let us cheer for our heroes. At least a little.
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Post by Erika on Sept 30, 2008 13:47:16 GMT -5
Aww but the thing is Sarah is 100% SARAH she will do ANYTHING to protect her boy. Having a police officer in the house next door is NOT an option. She was willing to do anything to help Kacy to get back w/ the baby's father - but once she learned what he was, all deals were off.
Sarah's not going to just push the 2 together when Trevor is as nosy as he is.
Yes they could've moved....but who's not to say that the next place would be any better? Besides who knows what other clues the dead soldier left behind in AFTP?
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 13:52:21 GMT -5
I agree Erika.
We can't have them moving house every 5 episodes.
And yes I'll go out on a limb....(Not really)....our Sophomore season is thus far a much more Heady (Pun intended) and more complete feeling and accomplished show than it was last season.
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Post by taurus on Sept 30, 2008 13:59:31 GMT -5
it was a good episode
more questions than answers
i don't like how the producers change the realtionship of john and cameron
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Post by rove3 on Sept 30, 2008 14:37:40 GMT -5
Also I have it on very very good grounds from a very trusted source that the Stuff we've seen in the Future War in Dungeons and Dragons that when Kyle is sent the war is nowhere near over. Does your trusted source have any intell on the future of this show?
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