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Post by rayartz on Oct 4, 2008 14:30:16 GMT -5
WOW! Big Brother, that took me awhile to read but I got it handled. You made some nice fine points that I quite agree with I think their is some truth to her wanting peace, unfortunately we'll have to wait to see Cameron fleshed out a little more. Like her visit to the Connor-Camp that she is apprently going to do at the end of the episode
As for Weaver's strange connections to aerial crashes I find that all a bit fishy myself and her little kid is just down right creppy. She doesn't even acknowledge Ellison at all, seems to me an observant fella such as Ellison would find that a bit obscure. Ellison struck me as a pretty darn intelligent guy in season 1 and a bit of that intelligence I guess has vanished in favor of curiousity---which we know that curiousity kills the cat.
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Post by starbalt on Oct 4, 2008 15:03:16 GMT -5
Anyone know if the name was a fake one invented by whichever idiot made up the fake tag? Using a real tag on the real baby they filmed is not an option, unless the hospital screwed up and used a date in 2009...and they filmed it at least three days after the episode aired. I thought it was an anagram at first, but it turns out "Jefry Shebroe" works as an on-set dresser/props person for TSCC. www.imdb.com/name/nm2318321/
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Post by Big Brother on Oct 4, 2008 15:47:22 GMT -5
I thought it was an anagram at first, but it turns out "Jefry Shebroe" works as an on-set dresser/props person for TSCC. www.imdb.com/name/nm2318321/Nice find! Well, now we know who to blame! Props guys inserting their own name as an in-joke is fine...but using a really wrong date is not.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Oct 4, 2008 19:43:42 GMT -5
I don't mind errors like that when they don't effect my enjoyment of the episode.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 4, 2008 21:16:50 GMT -5
Hey, TheTurk, so what's YOUR handle over at Matt's blog? I sure hope it ain't Mixner or Al or worse, SLC! ;D ;D ;D Any way, nice to see I have some credibility on the Net!
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 4, 2008 21:54:10 GMT -5
Big Brother, interesting questions - and nice spotting the aircraft carrier.
I think the tattoo thing was simply that Cameron was fully immersed into thinking she WAS Allison, so she was puzzled by not having the barcode burned into her arm. No memory involved there. Her CPU was so messed up from the moment it glitched in the store that there's no telling how badly she was functioning.
I think the moment that she began to turn back into Cameron was precisely when John told he she could be "fixed". That triggered her reaction to his removing her chip in episode one, and probably also triggered her recognizing that his messing with her chip could reveal her actual mission. She reacted very much like a Terminator at that moment, but was still caught in her "human emulation mode". But that was when things changed.
Then, as she began reverting back to normal, her "lie detector" mode triggered and she began questioning everything Jody had told her. Her reversion sped up as soon as she entered Jody's house, and was fully completed by the time John busted in the door.
In fact, John's suggestion that he COULD fix her was pretty bold, considering that she's standing there most definitely NOT fixed!
We can dismiss a lot of this stuff as a "McGuffin" because Josh isn't going to get too technical about how the Terminator CPUs work. We got about as much of that as we're likely to get in the "Vic's Chip" episode.
I do hope, however, as I've said before, that Josh does get her fixed at some point before it gets ridiculous. And that he isn't stupid enough to get her written out of the show as a result!
I had to agree that I didn't like Lila's hairstyle or makeup. Also I find a little odd that they both work in the same FBI office, but on the other hand I do know that nepotism is endemic in, for example, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, so it wouldn't surprise me too much. Couples could get posted to the same office.
What will interest me is how long Lila will be kept out of the situation or perhaps end up dead like Michelle. It won't take long before Lila wants to know what James is up to at Zeira Corporation and what connection that has with the HRT wipeout. Sooner or later, the FBI is NOT going to buy that a second rate actor wiped out an entire HRT team then burned to death when somebody ignited tear gas fumes. The FBI can be stupid, but not that stupid.
They especially are going to want to know how and why said second rate actor managed to get himself in the presumably secure FBI personnel database. Even Greta didn't understand that one.
Clearly, Ellison is going to be tracking back Weaver's history to see what he's getting involved in, while he plays along with her game. How soon this makes him a threat to Weaver will be interesting, as well as what she intends to do about it. In the meantime, it will be interesting to see how long it takes Ellison - who quite frankly isn't the brightest guy at the FBI - to get really suspicious that Weaver just isn't human.
I mean, it took Ellison eight years to figure out that the school kids in New Mexico who saw a "shooter with a robot leg" just might not have been nuts. ;D ;D ;D After "George Laszlo", he should be getting just a hair more paranoid about who he's dealing with. The Connors he can understand. Weaver should have triggered his paranoia on Day One! Anybody besides Doctor Silberman and the Connors who knows about Terminators is probably a Terminator! Dude!
The writers do let things "just drop into the Memory Hole" on occasion. I mean, after the time jump, nobody noticed the 350-pound, still functional headless metal endoskeleton lying on the vault floor in the bank? Really? Nobody noticed there was no blood or human body parts anywhere in the wreckage? No Fire Department or police department forensic examination of the blast that took out an entire branch bank? No explosives residue test? Really? Especially since nobody saw any explosives on any of the "bank robbers"? Even with a video feed? Nobody - especially the SWAT team standing outside the door - noticed Cromartie ripping off pieces of the vault and throwing them aside?
I'm willing to suspend disbelief more than most people, but the writers do need to cover up stuff a little better than that. ;D ;D
Plot holes are fine, nobody is perfect, nobody can cover every base, and the audience is lucky if they get any of it let alone the mistakes - but contrived plots are not.
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Post by jdub87 on Oct 5, 2008 0:28:23 GMT -5
Just watched it again on Hulu and I have to say it was definitely better the second time around. I can't get enough of Richard Jones' performance. The man makes every scene he's in! SCC is certainly one of the best casted television shows I've watched in a long, long time.
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Post by aceplace57 on Oct 5, 2008 19:24:06 GMT -5
I like Ellison's back story. The writers are doing a good job fleshing out the character. This episode brought up a couple question. His ex-wife said, "You're not wearing your cross" and then "the way that you're carrying yourself". Do you think Ellison is really facing a crisis of faith? I know Charlie threw the bible away after his wife died. But didn't consider that Ellison's convictions might be shattered too. I created a screencap of Lila and she's wearing a cross. She shares Ellison's faith. It seemed like there still was a spark between Ellison and his ex-wife (Lila). I wonder if we'll see Lila again? Was she interesting enough to bring back? terminatorwiki.fox.com/photo/2083662/Fay+Wolf+as+Lila+Ellison
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Post by cyadon on Oct 5, 2008 19:39:09 GMT -5
I like Ellison's back story. The writers are doing a good job fleshing out the character. This episode brought up a couple question. His ex-wife said, "You're not wearing your cross" and then "the way that you're carrying yourself". Do you think Ellison is really facing a crisis of faith? I know Charlie threw the bible away after his wife died. But didn't consider that Ellison's convictions might be shattered too. I created a screencap of Lila and she's wearing a cross. She shares Ellison's faith. It seemed like there still was a spark between Ellison and his ex-wife (Lila). I wonder if we'll see Ellison's Lila again? Was she interesting enough to bring back? terminatorwiki.fox.com/photo/2083662/Fay+Wolf+as+Lila+EllisonI also really liked the scenes with Ellison's ex-wife. Both actors sold it well. They told so much with tone of voice, facial expressions, and posture. James seems almost defensive around her, as someone who had been badly hurt before should be. I dunno if they'll bring her back, and I can see them not doing so in fact, but Fay Wolf did a great job. Someone so soft spoken and almost kind... I can really see James falling for someone like that. The crisis of faith? Possibly, but we need more screen time to really be sure. I was certain, and it seems to have come true, that the course of Michelle Dixon's death (and how Ellison and Charley's connection is part of what brings that around) would help bring him closer to Catherine Weaver. And Voila. I think he's going to end up becoming more obsessed with finding truth. Finding and destroying one of these things as well. And I think it's going to cost him a great, great deal.
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Post by psychothumbs on Oct 5, 2008 21:32:53 GMT -5
I think the explanation for nobody noticing the terminator was that the time machine blew up the bank, and they didn't bother sifting through the wreckage enough to notice the terminator.
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Post by traitorsgate on Oct 5, 2008 22:15:55 GMT -5
I think the explanation for nobody noticing the terminator was that the time machine blew up the bank, and they didn't bother sifting through the wreckage enough to notice the terminator. Wouldn't float in reality. The Police will have been aware of four people entering the bank who were unaccounted for after the blast. In reality the place would have been taken apart with a fine tooth comb.
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Post by Derek Reese on Oct 5, 2008 22:17:43 GMT -5
I've always speculated that the first shot the endoskeleton had to get out of the building, without being spotted it did as such. Even if it did run into threats, it would have taken out the threats and removed them as it deemed necessary and then went into what it would deem a suitable hiding place until it could get its head back.
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Post by jdub87 on Oct 5, 2008 22:34:44 GMT -5
I like Ellison's back story. The writers are doing a good job fleshing out the character. This episode brought up a couple question. His ex-wife said, "You're not wearing your cross" and then "the way that you're carrying yourself". Do you think Ellison is really facing a crisis of faith? I know Charlie threw the bible away after his wife died. But didn't consider that Ellison's convictions might be shattered too. I created a screencap of Lila and she's wearing a cross. She shares Ellison's faith. It seemed like there still was a spark between Ellison and his ex-wife (Lila). I wonder if we'll see Lila again? Was she interesting enough to bring back? terminatorwiki.fox.com/photo/2083662/Fay+Wolf+as+Lila+EllisonI'd like to see her again personally. For the short time they had on screen, they had excellent chemistry.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 7, 2008 13:11:06 GMT -5
The theory that the endoskeleton could operate on its own in some sort of emergency mode is interesting, mostly because I find it hard to believe that a machine of that type has only one CPU chip. A networked multiprocessor system would make more sense. It would even be fun for the story - every time you blew off a T-888's head, the body would still be moving against you. Even blow off an arm, and get near it and it will grab you. Typical horror movie antics.
Operating against the theory is that it only came back to life when the head was activated again. It's not even clear how the head was reactivated - surely the cat had nothing to do with it.
Again, when I see stuff like this I see writers not thinking through the internal logic of the situation.
But then again, that was a situation forced on them. They wanted to replace Owain with Garret, and the only way to do that was to somehow get Cromartie into the future with a different face. Josh's whole explanation that the head made it through the time machine because there was strips of flesh on it is just totally bogus. The Terminators have to be ENCASED in flesh to come through the time machine, otherwise they could easily bring weapons and anything else they wanted back - nukes, for Christ's sakes - just by putting some flesh on them. It was made clear in T1 by Kyle to Doctor Silberman that the machines have to be "covered" in human flesh.
It was all just a ploy to cover up the replacement of an actor. Nothing really they could do - although of course all they really had to do was dump the whole concept of Cromartie and bring in another Terminator from the future into present time. Essentially nothing would have changed in my opinion.
The real problem with the bank situation was that four people went in, nobody came out - and nobody cared to check. That's just bogus. I mean, you could cover it up with some sort of "secret report" that said the cops were all mystified and so just filed it away - like the nuclear plant manager told Ellison in this last episode - but it was just ignored, presuming the audience wouldn't think about it.
And I suppose, excepting the nerds like me, ninety nine percent of the audience didn't.
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Post by vicheron on Oct 7, 2008 14:00:42 GMT -5
It is possible that someone covered up what really happened at the bank. The Resistance fighter who built the time displacement device is probably still around. Also, we don't know when the T-1000 replaced Catherine Weaver.
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