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Post by grkgrl88 on Mar 6, 2008 19:20:39 GMT -5
I watched the deleted scenes earlier on youtube. Conclusions. John is crushing hard on Cameron. Cheri intrigues me. Link? Probably this one.
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Post by shidosha01 on Mar 7, 2008 2:08:41 GMT -5
Okay. After watching the season finale for the second time (gotta love DVRs) I'm really starting to think that the latina gangster is also a Terminator like Cameron. The scene where she drops off the Connors, Reese, and Cameron. Cameron says "Do I have to kill you too?" As if she was saying "I already terminated a cyborg T-888....u could be next." And then she hands over the piece to her.
My wife and I hope this show is back for another season. It's been a great thrill ride.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Mar 7, 2008 2:31:50 GMT -5
Indeed it has...and welcome to the boards!
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Post by ReeseDN38416 on Mar 8, 2008 18:34:48 GMT -5
I wonder if Charley felt bad not giving Ellison info about the Terminator. I'm sure that, even knowing what he knew... he was surprised at the death count.
It would be interesting if silent Latina was a Terminator... but I don't think she is.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 8, 2008 19:52:36 GMT -5
The thing is Charley was protecting himself and the Connor's. It was a choice, that he knew he had to do because he cares for them.
I think on some level he wanted to be there for Ellison in the end. Warning him not to do anything, but by the time he got there. He was far too late and thus we have our current stand point.
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Post by t101 on Mar 9, 2008 5:48:00 GMT -5
I don't think Charlie knew Kester was a Terminator. It came up accidentally during their conversation that another FBI agent came by looking for Sarah. I think her realized only when he heard on the radio that FBI was actually hunting for this other agent.
Also, even though he's encountered Cameron and saw Vick's body I don't think he could fully understand, and Ellison couldn't fully believe what he was after. The confrontation with Cromartie of course left no more illusions. It's "the end of innocence" sort of speak.
I think Ellison is going to really blame himself. Because he should have known better and should have taken every step not to send his men into the unknown believing they are just taking down a dangerous criminal.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 9, 2008 13:37:24 GMT -5
even though he's encountered Cameron and saw Vick's body I don't think he could fully understand, and Ellison couldn't fully believe what he was after. The confrontation with Cromartie of course left no more illusions. It's "the end of innocence" sort of speak. "The FBI can't protect us. You can't protect us. If one of them follows you here -- not the FBI -- one of them... you'll have killed us." Yes, it's definitely the end of innocence for Charley. He now knows what Sarah was talking about. Hearing about robots from the future and actually seeing the carnage one terminator can cause are two different things. There's no way Charley's going to take off, though. He can't leave town knowing what kind of danger Sarah and John are really in. I'd guess he'll share what he knows with Ellison and somehow the two of them will sort of team up to try to help the Connors. I have no idea how, but i can't wait to find out!
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Post by tzigone on Mar 9, 2008 21:31:36 GMT -5
I have a question - am I the only one that thinks skipping forward to what is presumably Feb. 2008 was a really bad idea?
It's not logical. I don't see any reason for them to have done it. I mean, I get the birthday issue with John.
There are 3 days between ep1 and ep 2 starting. Go to Enrique, then Carlos, then the future guy’s apartment, back to Carlos, back to Enrique. All one day? The then next morning John asks about motion sensors.
Jordon commits suicide on John and Cameron's second day of school?
Not sure when Sarah meets Andy. How many dates are there before the house is burned? I know we cover at least two days but it might be more.
Okay it seems to be a weekend in HM. The metal is coming in at 6 something a.m. and Sarah doesn’t try to use the school excuse
Next Andy mentions being out of contact since his house burned but I don’t think it can been more than a few days. Chess tournament on a school day. Is it day or night when Derek is arrested?
It’s probably the next day that Ellison and Sarah talk to him and I think the same day the confrontation with the T-888 and half of D&D happens. D&D carries over to the next day. The first day is a school day and Jordan was last week. I don’t know about the second but since the counselor said “throughout the week” so the first probably wasn’t Friday.
I don’t know how long between D&D and ep. 7. It starts at night and the next morning seems to be the first time Derek has been really conscious. We go through two days. Is the first a school day? The second is.
So it's two weeks max from Jordon dying (which was less than a week after arriving in 2007 in Sept.) at the end of D&D. "The Demon Hand" is right after that since Derek is bleeding and they're trying to find the hand.
Vick's Chip has to be right after that. Derek's just gotten a toothbrush. And Jessica Peck's body hasn't decomposed substantially. The meeting with Sarkissian is supposed to be the next day?
Then, all the sudden in "What He Beheld" it's February. But no one acts like significant time has passed. But, they say it's John's birthday which is Feb 28 by T2. And they say Kyle is 5 now and 8 at J-Day, which is in 2011, so that suits it being 2008. Now it could be that they've moved John's birthday to October or something (which would annoy me, I admit). But Morris is asking Cameron to Prom, and October seems very early for that. I guess he could just really like her. And Kyle's birthday is in the second half of the year could work with 2007.
I can't figure how this works. The most likely seems to be to me that they moved John's birthday (excepting Prom reference). That annoys me a lot - there was no reason to do it. It wasn't necessary. Having these events happen on his birthday is not anywhere near a good enough reason to screw with his birthday as given in T2, and consistent with T1. It's not worth screwing with continuity for any reason for me, but certainly not worth it for that teeny, tiny bit of drama with him worried Sarah forgot his birthday and John seeing Kyle that day.
OTOH, maybe it is February. Works with Prom and Kyle's age references are easier. But it doesn't with what's actually happening on-screen. Everything acts like it's happening quickly.
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Post by shmi on Mar 9, 2008 21:48:29 GMT -5
I'd forgotten the thing about the meeting being tomorrow in "Vic's Chip." I'd assumed there was gap between eps 1x08 and 1x09. I don't think it being John birthday added much to the ep. either, certainly not enough to move his birthday. But, like you said, there's the prom thing. Aren't proms usually in March or April? October seems really early to ask. Maybe they came to early 2008 instead of September 2007. The road work was just way behind schedule. (And the time machine was mis-calibrated in the first ep.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 9, 2008 21:57:48 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe it's just a consequence of the show being a mid-season replacement (when the pilot was filmed was it supposed to start airing in September?). Should I just ignore the dates given in the pilot presume they jumped to Jan. 2008 and the audience has been watching closer to real-time than several months in the past? I really wish they cleaned up the pilot if that is the case. Mistakes like this are annoying, and probably more confusing for future syndication/dvd viewers, since a lot of them won't think of this reasoning, being unaware of when it started or being unaware of original plans or whatever. Again, that's if we're supposed to just pretend 2008 all along. I'll have to hunt for more time/date references to see if that's feasible. And even then, with the writer's strike - maybe those references would have been edited later (though I'd think all the eps after the pilot would have been written after they knew when they were premiering - anyone know if that's the case?)
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Post by rossbondreturns on Mar 9, 2008 23:26:07 GMT -5
For me...as a huge fan...the dates aren't as important as my enjoyment of the tv series or film.
Everything points to time between episodes.
More furniture in the house over each episode amongst other things especially that they seem more at home especially towards the last two episode...which make me believe they've been in one location for quite a while.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 9, 2008 23:41:54 GMT -5
For me...as a huge fan...the dates aren't as important as my enjoyment of the tv series or film. Everything points to time between episodes. More furniture in the house over each episode amongst other things especially that they seem more at home especially towards the last two episode...which make me believe they've been in one location for quite a while. I don't let dates/time frames bother me too much either, but this was a bit of screwy season in that regard. I'm glad you brought up the furnishings in the house, though. It was fun to see how the house got more stuff over the course of the season. They didn't just move into a house and suddenly furnish it with all new stuff. They got a new couch right away, but still had a ripped up chair in the living room. They started out with a card table in the dining room that eventually turned into a proper table and chairs. But lots of stuff is still icky, like those mismatched shower curtains, peeling wallpaper, the beat-up 1970s fridge. It's good like that because the Connors have more important things to do than shop! I think the set designers do a great job on this show.
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Post by miniglik on Apr 16, 2008 21:10:58 GMT -5
When Ellison talks to Agent Greta before the FBI raid, and he says, "what kind of man can sit across from you ... *blah blah* no human reaction of any kind" etc. I'm confused. Is he talking about the actor who Cromartie killed? Because it was the actor and NOT Cromartie, and he seemed to betray a lot of human reactions. He was really annoyed, for one.
Was he talking about Derek? That doesn't make sense either.
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Post by Big Brother on Apr 17, 2008 10:54:35 GMT -5
Two theories on this.
Theory 1: He was talking about the actor dude. There was a great (if rather manipulative) fake-out moment where Ellison was questioning the actor (although the audience didn't know if it was the actor or Cromartie) about the murders and asking for a blood sample...and the actor was remarkably unreactive...right up until he calls the FBI a bunch of fascists. I think they even used some musical cues to hearken back to the movies, specifically to scenes of terminators infiltrating undercover.
Theory 2: He was talking about Cromartie. Specifically, to the time he went to the actor's apartment and met Cromartie, saw the uneaten frozen burrito on the floor, etc. Cromartie was rather unreactive in that scene, even more so than the actor had been in the interview. Cromartie also didn't seem to recognize Ellison or get the references to the earlier interview, which Eliison probably did a face-palm about in hindsight when going over his notes after finding Cromartie's "Agent Kester" FBI file.
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