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Post by k8ie on Mar 23, 2009 19:50:25 GMT -5
"The Turk" said on the FOX forum that Sarah drove herself to near the town, and then collapsed in the Jeep. She was then found and brought to hospital by passers-by. Drove herself or was left in a staged scene for a Good Samaritan to find? Sarah doesn't appear to remember herself... Also, if Sarah drove herself to the hospital, presumably, she would have driven to the closest hospital. But Sarah doesn't wake up in the Happy Valley (whatever it's called) Health Centre and Skynet Re-education Camp, she wakes up in a town in another county, which we know because Sheriff Anger Issues doesn't have two unsolved murders on his docket. Just for giggles, check what Wikipedia has to say about chipping people. After going through all those possibilities, we settled on option #1 above. It accounts for the medical chart, the bloody Jeep, what happened to her in that blackout period, how Winston found her at Western Iron & Metal and it just seemed to make the most sense. I think we started with the idea that Winston chipped her in the van but that, as AG pointed out (forcefully, btw, you can check my butt for the bootprint ), there's no point in tagging Sarah at that point since Winston wasn't expecting Sarah to escape (QED: needle in eye). If Sarah was chipped, if, then the biggest window of opportunity, the largest chunk of time that is actually unaccounted for, is when Sarah's passed out between "Earthlings" and "Good Wound". Okay, all this speculation has destroyed my ability to formulate verb tenses. I'm going back to lurking while AG does all the hard work...
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Post by littleb on Mar 23, 2009 20:39:23 GMT -5
"The Turk" said on the FOX forum that Sarah drove herself to near the town, and then collapsed in the Jeep. She was then found and brought to hospital by passers-by. Drove herself or was left in a staged scene for a Good Samaritan to find? Sarah doesn't appear to remember herself... Naw, I'd go with The Turk there, only I'd take the passers-by out. I reckon she got to the ambulance bay herself, pressed the horn (hell, she could've passed out onto the horn, that'd work too) and waited for the calvary to come out. Cos she's sensible even when she's bleeding out <LOL> I think it was called Convenient Acres wasn't it? That town seemed to have been shoe-horned in as an after-thought. Actually, why was Eileen bussed into the warehouse every day in a darkened van if the whole damn town of C.A worked at the warehouse...?? I figured Sarah ended up in hospital in the same town where Eileen and lady-UFO-hypnotist were killed and they just hadn't found the bodies cos they had no clue where they were looking. Convenient Acres is the confusing part, but then - like I said - I just reckon that was shoe-horned in to fit Desert Cantos which was a bag of sh1te anyways and perhaps better forgotten (can we actively remove an episode from canon? Can we do that?!) Everything I know about chipping people I learned from Agent Scully See, I'd go for that one. Winston knows Sarah's a live un, she's unpredictable and he's slightly worried that she might be more than he can handle - and up till the very end he wasn't going to outright murder her - so he chips her and figures she won't realise because she'd just have too many bruises to choose from! I just can't see Kaliba letting her go, especially as she was working alone in the first place. If they had her at the warehouse, surely they'd have kept her??? I haven't got a bloody clue what I'm writing. It's 1.40am over here, I'm on a meal break and I'm knackered. Which episode is this one again!? MOD EDIT: Just fixing your quote tags.
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Post by thecolours on Mar 23, 2009 22:35:39 GMT -5
If Sarah had a chip implanted in her, there would be some sort of fresh scar. She would have noticed it a long time ago.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 23, 2009 23:30:06 GMT -5
If Sarah had a chip implanted in her, there would be some sort of fresh scar. She would have noticed it a long time ago. We had that same thought while we were cooking up this theory. Sarah would have noticed an incision, right? Not if it was something like those pet ID microchips that are about the size of a grain of rice and can be implanted with a syringe. exampleexampleexampleIf Kaliba can make that drone, I can believe they could have developed a tracking device that small and that easily implantable. At most, Sarah might have a small red puncture spot from a needle. She'd struggled with Winston, got shot, passed out, almost died and then spent a day in agony trying to get a bullet removed. By the time that ordeal was over, I seriously doubt a tiny spot like that would have even caught her attention.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 24, 2009 0:07:09 GMT -5
If Kaliba can make that drone, I can believe they could have developed a tracking device that small and that easily implantable. At most, Sarah might have a small red puncture spot from a needle. She'd struggled with Winston, got shot, passed out, almost died and then spent a day in agony trying to get a bullet removed. By the time that ordeal was over, I seriously doubt a tiny spot like that would have even caught her attention. I (obviously) agree. With all the trauma of getting beat up and shot, Sarah wouldn't have noticed an injection site on her breast and, at that point, what's another abrasion for the collection? Kaliba wouldn't even need to develop a chip - you can use the same chip used to microchip animals for passive detection so that if Sarah walked onto Kaliba property, an alert would go off. But I bet that all Desert Air (I'm bad with names) employees were lojacked so their movement within Convenient Acres could be tracked and that would account for how Winston finds Parks at the storage unit and at the therapist's. This is the US - who would argue if the company paid for a physical and a flu shot when you signed up, right? Probably the chip is small enough and positioned so you'd never notice normally but they're in a rush with Sarah or someone's a perv and just sticks her in the chest, where cyst can forms around the chip and *bingo* "tumour". I mean, Sarah just had a full, for-profit-medicine cancer screening. Anything big enough to palpatate now, should have been evident <I>then</I>. So it's got to be something else, right? RIGHT?! RIGHT!!!? Uh, I may be taking this too seriously.
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Post by cyadon on Mar 24, 2009 7:37:04 GMT -5
At this point, I'm going on the record as not believing you.
This is up there with the 'Sarah has a secret second child'.
I think she'd notice some chip, and I don't think your theory explains everything. Kaliba might find the Connors through something as simple as following Derek, who has been following them.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 24, 2009 9:42:35 GMT -5
This is up there with the 'Sarah has a secret second child'. Hey! Don't be getting any of <I>that</i> on me. Sarah's secret baby is all Allerygal*. The very idea makes my skin crawl. I think chipping Sarah is a brilliant idea (I am biased, naturally). You could easily miss an injection mark, particularly if you're bleeding out from a gunshot wound the next time you regain consciousness.
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Post by littleb on Mar 24, 2009 9:58:29 GMT -5
I (obviously) agree. With all the trauma of getting beat up and shot, Sarah wouldn't have noticed an injection site on her breast and, at that point, what's another abrasion for the collection? She wouldn't even have been looking, not with the distraction of a big hole in her leg (or - if it was Winston chipping her - the one she bit into her wrist.) The idea of something forming around it makes more sense in terms of it then being palpable and mistaken as cancer. A grain of rice-sized chip ( AG mentioned) wouldn't really stand out as a lump, but the body does have a habit of reacting to the presence of foreign tissue - look what happens when you get a splinter; inflammation, itching, swelling - so a cyst developing would work. <LOL> You talking yourself in and out of your theory in one post?! FWIW, the MRI scan in SMW only mentioned her brain <gets temporarily distracted watching SMW...> which makes sense seeing as they were looking to explain night terrors, not mysterious lumps. I know they probably scanned everything, but when Sarah questions "cancer?" the doc only explicitly rules out a brain tumour so I can give the show a free-pass if they want to go ahead and terrorise the poor woman some more
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Post by cyadon on Mar 24, 2009 10:22:58 GMT -5
Hey! Don't be getting any of <I>that</i> on me. Sarah's secret baby is all Allerygal*. The very idea makes my skin crawl. I think chipping Sarah is a brilliant idea (I am biased, naturally). You could easily miss an injection mark, particularly if you're bleeding out from a gunshot wound the next time you regain consciousness. Both of you worked together on that little bit of imagining you've got going. I can't imagine someone as paranoid as Sarah ignoring something like a chip in her. Plus, it's been way too long since they really did much with the cancer storyline (as opposed to the throwaway line in SMW), so I think it'd be interesting to see if there is a real fear there and something to it. Chip cysts. I mean, what's next, the Time Travel Influenza? FWIW, the MRI scan in SMW only mentioned her brain <gets temporarily distracted watching SMW...> which makes sense seeing as they were looking to explain night terrors, not mysterious lumps. I know they probably scanned everything, but when Sarah questions "cancer?" the doc only explicitly rules out a brain tumour so I can give the show a free-pass if they want to go ahead and terrorise the poor woman some more The MRI in SMW never happened. It was part of the dream sequence.
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Post by littleb on Mar 24, 2009 10:38:47 GMT -5
The MRI in SMW never happened. It was part of the dream sequence. <LOL> Doh! Night-shift brain.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 24, 2009 10:51:34 GMT -5
Both of you worked together on that little bit of imagining you've got going. Just what are you implying here, Cy? HEY NOW! Connie Willis won a HUGO for that story (tru fax - and a Nebula, as well)! Agreed, I believe the type of exam Sarah went in for would involve a full-body scan, which makes sense since presumably, Sarah paid cash for her examination and that's an on-deman test. It's practically useless as a diagnostic tool but will net a practice $300 to several thousand. <LOL> You talking yourself in and out of your theory in one post?! You have no idea. You want to know why the news round ups are updating on a weird schedule? Because I log on to start writing, ping AG to confirm a detail from the latest episode and six hours later, we've developed an elaborate theory involving Kaliba and Weaver chipping the employees of Desert Heat and Air (IIRC) like housepets, argued for the 58th time about whether Derek Reese is an incurable jackass or if it's more of a viral thing, and pratically gone back to the Code of the Hammurabi to settle an argument about whether or not you could say Sarah killed Winston in self-defence (FWIW, my concept of self-defence is far more elastic and unforgiving than AG's). This thread? This is nuthin' HMTL. Why?
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Post by allergygal on Mar 24, 2009 11:48:30 GMT -5
and pratically gone back to the Code of the Hammurabi to settle an argument about whether or not you could say Sarah killed Winston in self-defence Quit making me look stuff up
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Post by k8ie on Mar 24, 2009 12:06:23 GMT -5
and pratically gone back to the Code of the Hammurabi to settle an argument about whether or not you could say Sarah killed Winston in self-defence Quit making me look stuff up Just wait until I finish reading To the Lighthouse. ;D
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Post by samuel95 on Mar 24, 2009 12:28:22 GMT -5
Great theories! Can I have some of what you're on? (If it's a felony in the U.S. please use PM) Unfortunately it makes remarkable sense. One of the disturbing facts of life in tv is the overuse of coincidence to bring characters and events together. The chip solves many of those problems of uniting them. For instance, if a cel phone can cause brain cancer wouldn't a transmitter chip cause breast cancer? How do they get found by Kaliba if all of the resources of the FBI can't do it?
Since you brought it up, since they didn't kill her there is no justifiable cause under the Code of Hammurabi for a killing. The gods of the rivers will decide if she's guilty of murder. The accused should be thrown into the Tigris or Euphrates river. If she drowns, then she's guilty. Sentencing is coincidental to the trial. (Note: Babylonians could swim as well as Terminators)
She'd get no relief in the traditions of Western Civilization since our laws came from an Archon of Athens by the name of Draco. His laws were rather . . .
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Post by wb5 on Mar 24, 2009 13:43:03 GMT -5
Ellison used to be on their heels though, and Cromartie managed to find them.
But if we are going for wild theories, what about the drone that Sarah saw while passing out? If it was operating on orders by Kaliba (but not transmitting info in real-time to the employees in the factory), and if it is equipped to do so, it could have "tagged" Sarah with something, even leaving little or no trace. Would explain why they let her go - they didn't, Sarah had regained consciousness and left by the time the information of the drone reached some Kaliba representative (like Zoe's dad, I suppose).
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