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Post by allergygal on Apr 5, 2009 16:23:18 GMT -5
I don't understand though how JH can be The Turk without any modification. Yes, he started out as the Turk.. that's his core but it had to of been modified. There's no way Turk 2.0 could be Babylon and then JH without any modifications. Back when Andy told Sarah about The Turk, he said he could feed it a particular chess problem and sometimes it would solve it different ways or not at all. So it already had the ability to find different ways of doing things that maybe didn't seem so logical. And it was the code Andy wrote that allowed it to do that. Andy didn't understand why Turk had those "moods" but I think it was the fact that it did that made it such a coveted AI. When John Henry got hacked, we got to see the original Turk box in that locked glass cabinet. So in terms of hardware, they haven't modified that. I think they only fed with with lots and lots of power so it could do more and started giving it problems and stuff to solve so it could learn and evolve. Back in T2, Uncle Bob said his CPU was a learning computer ("the more contact I have with humans, the more I learn"). That's what John Henry is — a learning computer. What I think makes John Henry so special, though, is the way in which Weaver is developing him. She wants him to evolve to the point that he can cross against the light, break the rules. Obviously, learning from humans that have faith and ethics and emotion and other characteristics that defy logic is part of that development process. But how that truly differs from a machine like Uncle Bob, I'm not sure yet.
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Post by thecolours on Apr 5, 2009 17:30:48 GMT -5
I don't understand though how JH can be The Turk without any modification. Yes, he started out as the Turk.. that's his core but it had to of been modified. There's no way Turk 2.0 could be Babylon and then JH without any modifications. Back when Andy told Sarah about The Turk, he said he could feed it a particular chess problem and sometimes it would solve it different ways or not at all. So it already had the ability to find different ways of doing things that maybe didn't seem so logical. And it was the code Andy wrote that allowed it to do that. Andy didn't understand why Turk had those "moods" but I think it was the fact that it did that made it such a coveted AI. When John Henry got hacked, we got to see the original Turk box in that locked glass cabinet. So in terms of hardware, they haven't modified that. I think they only fed with with lots and lots of power so it could do more and started giving it problems and stuff to solve so it could learn and evolve. Back in T2, Uncle Bob said his CPU was a learning computer ("the more contact I have with humans, the more I learn"). That's what John Henry is — a learning computer. What I think makes John Henry so special, though, is the way in which Weaver is developing him. She wants him to evolve to the point that he can cross against the light, break the rules. Obviously, learning from humans that have faith and ethics and emotion and other characteristics that defy logic is part of that development process. But how that truly differs from a machine like Uncle Bob, I'm not sure yet. Andy made those comments to Sarah about the original Turk that got destroyed in the fire. Different code in his second version. Andy said his second Turk was "more adaptable, but less predictable. Not as powerful for now(Project Babylon gave JH all the power he needed), but it's quicker on it's feet... Turk 1 had grown into a brooding Teenager, whereas Turk 2 was more of a precious child(Hence JH talking like a child.) Side note: I put in the season one dvd to get the exact quote from Andy Goode, and it was strange, knowing almost all those original characters are dead now. Andy, Cromatie, Charlie, Derek, Charlie's wife.
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Post by allergygal on Jan 30, 2010 5:44:54 GMT -5
I was just reading through the Earthlings Welcome Here thread and something potomac79 said about Brothers of Nablus jumped out at me: But [Derek] lied with saying that Jesse was a guy and a member of his (presumably original) team. No way would Cameron not eventually follow-up on that. Cameron likely knows the full roll and dossier of every one of Derek's official team. In Gnothi Seauton, Cameron knew the location of the safehouse and how many resistance fighters there were. From Queen's Gambit, we know that she knew one of them was Derek Reese. It's highly unlikely she wouldn't have also known the names of the rest of them and there was no "Jessie" among them. Yet when Moisha mentions the name "Jesse" in Brothers of Nablus and Derek tells Sarah "he" was one of his dead crew, Cameron's not suspicious at all. She totally should've been. Even if Cameron didn't know the names of the other resistance fighters Derek brought with him, she should have been suspicious because we learned in TITD2 that she'd actually met Jesse in the future. And from her mention of the miscarriage to Derek in To the Lighthouse, we also know that Cameron knew Jesse was his girlfriend. So why didn't Cameron ever look into this — question Derek or follow him around or go back and question Moisha on her own about this Jesse person? More importantly, why didn't this occur to me until now?!
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Post by littleb on Feb 1, 2010 14:07:04 GMT -5
Yet when Moisha mentions the name "Jesse" in Brothers of Nablus and Derek tells Sarah "he" was one of his dead crew, Cameron's not suspicious at all. She totally should've been. Yes, she totally should've. As soon as John mentions Derek in Queen's Gambit, Cam recognises him, states that he was the fourth resistance fighter (which implies she's aware of who the other three were) and details his mission: "you sent him here to wait for us." If she knows all that about Derek (and in Dungeons & Dragons she reels off even more detail from his file) it stands to reason she should have information on the other three sent through with him. Hell, if we go with the theory that she's calling the shots in the future - shouldn't she have been the one doing the sending?! Whacky theory? I has one. Mebbe, when John was busy doing his Riley retconning <cough> research, his research... Cameron was shadowing him on his moonlit adventures. She tracks him to Riley, sees and recognises Jesse and allows the game to play out. She knows Jesse's not a threat to her from a physical POV, she guesses what Jesse's end-game is with Riley - maybe they'd already had a run-in in their future - and is okay with that because she knows damnwell it'll fail. It gives a little more impetus to her efforts at ingratiating herself with John - the Mr Ferguson bed scene, the hand hold in Ourselves Alone. She knows Jesse wants her to off Riley and therefore doesn't. Lets it get to the point where Jesse takes matters into her own hands and it's a win-win for Cam. She gets rid of Riley, she knows John's onto Jesse and she's sitting pretty with her hands clean as the innocent victim of a set-up. I don't think for a second that the show was heading there, but hell, I kinda like the notion. <laughs> We all have our off-days, hon.
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