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Post by schmacky on Mar 14, 2009 16:11:37 GMT -5
It's not going to help matters is it? Especially if he heads into the jail with Cam to get her out. Guilt upon guilt upon layer of guilt and that conversation with Cam from TTD p1 still ringing in her ears... I meant after she gets busted outta jail, she'll leave. The whole Dekker tape thing... first I thought she'd leave, then I thought she'd betray but with this new info.. I think she'll leave him. It's in his best interest, it's for his safety. She's a fugitive come back to life and escaped AGAIN.. authorities will be hot on her tail. John shouldn't be around her during all that. I'm so glad she got outted. I know it's bad for her to have people know she's alive but it puts so much more suspense into things. I've always wanted the authorities to be tracking them still, it just adds more.. especially since they don't have a Terminator actually following them right now.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 14, 2009 16:13:19 GMT -5
"Fugitives"- Awesome. I think we should all get some kind of prize for having predicted that a while back. We're getting pretty good at piecing this stuff together, aren't we?
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 14, 2009 16:27:21 GMT -5
This is going to be sweet.
I think this also foreshadows 'Born to Run.'
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Post by littleb on Mar 14, 2009 16:28:53 GMT -5
It's not going to help matters is it? Especially if he heads into the jail with Cam to get her out. Guilt upon guilt upon layer of guilt and that conversation with Cam from TTD p1 still ringing in her ears... ITA. The seeds are already being sown, have been since SMW if not before. It'll barely take one more incident of John putting himself into harm's way for Sarah to start packing a bag, and if he does head into the jail for her, that'll tip the scale way over. Especially if he's not implicated in whatever she's arrested for. Wonder if it has to do with Charley? Absolutely. There's always been the additional element of threat from the humanity they're fighting to save. Makes for a lovely touch of irony. And nothing makes Sarah fight quite so desperately, as being cornered... <LOL> Yeah, aside from all the times we make a complete bollock of it! So - self-defibbing in this one? Y'know, I was wondering... suicide attempt? It's been a running theme, Sarah's always been willing to die before endangering John. If that's all there is to hand...
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Post by wb5 on Mar 14, 2009 18:20:07 GMT -5
I meant after she gets busted outta jail, she'll leave. The whole Dekker tape thing... first I thought she'd leave, then I thought she'd betray but with this new info.. I think she'll leave him. It's in his best interest, it's for his safety. She's a fugitive come back to life and escaped AGAIN.. authorities will be hot on her tail. John shouldn't be around her during all that. I agree, it looks like that. Which begs the question: just how will Cameron be supposed to "betray" John? I can hardly think they will have her attempt to kill him again - been there, done that. So, what could make Cameron "betray" John? Will she join Weaver and John Henry, in a surprising twist (or at least, refuse to follow orders to attack them)? If this would come about not because she was part of a (possible) Weaver faction from the start, but because she made a conscious choice attacking them wouldn't be right, it could actually be great character development. Then again, maybe Dekker was exaggerating quite a bit with the "betraying" thing and it may turn out to be something relatively minor.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 14, 2009 18:32:25 GMT -5
Why is everyone convinced that Sarah will leave John? I think it's a possibility that Cameron makes it look like she executed Sarah in the shooutout, thus making it easier for John and Sarah to flee in "Born to Run", in which Cameron "leaves" John to take the heat for the jail shooutout.
Wow, hopefully that makes sense. And yes, I know that's a stretch. But can Sarah really let T1 and T2 happen all over again? I think they'll have to take the tapes with them. Hopefully she knows how to cover her tracks a lot better.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 14, 2009 18:44:06 GMT -5
Why is everyone convinced that Sarah will leave John? I think it's a possibility that Cameron makes it look like she executed Sarah in the shooutout, thus making it easier for John and Sarah to flee in "Born to Run", in which Cameron "leaves" John to take the heat for the jail shooutout. Wow, hopefully that makes sense. And yes, I know that's a stretch. But can Sarah really let T1 and T2 happen all over again? I think they'll have to take the tapes with them. Hopefully she knows how to cover her tracks a lot better. Well before I thought that Sarah would be the one to betray.. though not on purpose but John would see it as betrayal. But, now I believe Sarah will leave him... let the bird leave the nest... let him grow on his own.. whatever, something like that. And Cameron will betray.. but I doubt she'll try and kill him again. And I could see Cameron betraying John so that HE will leave her and he'll be alone. Cameron wants John to be alone because everyone is a threat... Cameron could protect him from a distance. I don't know.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 14, 2009 19:02:04 GMT -5
Why is everyone convinced that Sarah will leave John? I think it's a possibility that Cameron makes it look like she executed Sarah in the shooutout, thus making it easier for John and Sarah to flee in "Born to Run", in which Cameron "leaves" John to take the heat for the jail shooutout. Wow, hopefully that makes sense. And yes, I know that's a stretch. But can Sarah really let T1 and T2 happen all over again? I think they'll have to take the tapes with them. Hopefully she knows how to cover her tracks a lot better. You make some good points. It would be convenient if it looks, again, like Sarah is dead. Still, it would be hard to convince them without a body, and Cameron would have to leave some kind of surveillance tape behind to show how she "killed" Sarah and took the body. If Cameron does not take and destroy the tapes, and kills all the witnesses (it looks like she is doing that, though ), she herself will be compromised. I still wonder how this betraying and leaving thing will work. I just hope nothing of it will be "final", and there is an opening for everyone to get back together.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 14, 2009 19:42:03 GMT -5
I was just thinking that both Sarah and Derek could end up being arrested (and then busted out of jail by Cameron) over Riley's murder and/or massive ammounts of illegal weapons in their house if the police show up with a search warrant somehow. They made it a point in Today is the Day to remind us that Derek is a fugitive. There must be a reason for that.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 14, 2009 19:49:58 GMT -5
Sarah busted him out of jail in S1. I think it was Queens Gambit. Course he got shot during the escape and nearly died. Hopefully, Sarah's escape will work out better. I'm pretty sure Ellison is behind Sarah's arrest. That fits with the Wondercon clip with John lunging at Ellison screaming "I'll kill you".
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Post by littleb on Mar 15, 2009 11:19:10 GMT -5
I was just thinking that both Sarah and Derek could end up being arrested (and then busted out of jail by Cameron) over Riley's murder and/or massive ammounts of illegal weapons in their house if the police show up with a search warrant somehow. They made it a point in Today is the Day to remind us that Derek is a fugitive. There must be a reason for that. So many reasons to get arrested, so little time! Wasn't Derek outside the jail getting tasered in the spoiler reel? Looked like a similar sort of setting and he wasn't in tasteful prison orange at the time. Ick, they better not put Sarah in tasteful prison orange, that's gonna look nasty on her aceplace57 mentioned John screaming at Ellison. There is the possibility that Ellison is connected to Sarah's arrest (I don't think so though, their paths have been very separate of late) there's also the possibility John is a little bit cross that Ellison dug up Cromartie and handed him over to Weaver. That'd be worth a smack in the mouth.
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Post by t101 on Mar 15, 2009 15:43:57 GMT -5
I can see why Sarah would leave John if there is a manhunt for her. There would be a hunt for Cameron too if she blast her way through a prison.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 15, 2009 18:01:31 GMT -5
Unless Cameron leaves no witnesses...
(and not tapes on which she is visible).
Both could have good reasons to leave John after this, if John himself remains more or less out of view.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 15, 2009 19:16:55 GMT -5
I wonder if Sarah cares that much about being wanted? Most of the time she has been wanted for various crimes. She's always coped in the past. She raised John except for the time she was in the mental ward. The time jump gave Sarah her first taste of freedom since her waitress days. But, she's never exactly kept a low profile. <shrug> I guess this could be a good excuse to leave John on his own. Sarah tends to make snap decisions. I can easily see her disappearing for awhile. We've seen very few hints about Derek's fate. I'll be curious to see if he survives the season. I can't see them killing him off unless Josh really doesn't expect a third season. Adam raised a Cain Perhaps a biblical reference? A Father raised a killer. Maybe it's something to do with Ellison and John Henry? I'm grasping at straws on this one. ;D
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Post by Alexis on Mar 15, 2009 22:08:58 GMT -5
I guess this could be a good excuse to leave John on his own. Sarah tends to make snap decisions. I can easily see her disappearing for awhile. I agree. Especially since Cameron told Sarah that John would be better being alone, because "We're all a threat to John. He worries about us. It makes him vulnerable. He cares." Maybe Cameron's words will keep spinning around Sarah's head and, eventually, ending up being an suitable argument for Sarah to "justify" her decision of leaving John. Let's remember Cam's words at the end of her speech: "John is John's problem. Humans are the problem. There's only one way for John to be safe. That's to be alone." Sarah asks: "What kind of life is that?" Cam says: "John's life... Someday" This conversation hit me hard since only a few days before I said something very similar here.Here's an extract of my post: Maybe future!John regretted not having his mom in that crucial moment and thinks it would be better if he had her by his side, but he also must be aware of her inevitable mortality. Maybe he even had to deal with some other major loses [Alison?] and perhaps he realized that human love made him vulnerable and he raised the conclusion, just like Sarah did, that to fight the machines you must learn to act like them and think like them, till the edge of becoming like them. And that might be why future!John sent Cameron back, not because he wants her as a mother figure but as the perfect companionship for avoiding any possible human emotional ties, which would make him a weaker leader. In other words, maybe future!John learned that being attached to humans made him a weaker leader, so he might want present!John to learn that earlier. The problem is present!John is actually having an emotional involvement with the machine he sent back to pull him away from emotional dilemmas. And the result of that experiment is a new future!John who isn’t emotionally attached to humans but emotionally attached to Cameron, and set the stage for Jesse (in case she’s representing a rebel resistance faction that wants the metal out of the game) to come after Cameron in this timeline. So, I got too excited that my theory was, at least, partially confirmed. _________________________ Sorry about quoting myself. I know it sounds a bit egocentric. But, come on! Let me enjoy my two seconds of glory! ;D
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