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Post by t101 on Apr 7, 2009 4:47:28 GMT -5
Yes. But I'd say it works without Savannah all the same. John Henry does not want to "die" again. I'm intrigued why only Sarah got arrested.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 7, 2009 4:56:29 GMT -5
Yes. But I'd say it works without Savannah all the same. John Henry does not want to "die" again. I'm intrigued why only Sarah got arrested. John Connor was never a fugitive. While I'm sure the FBI would want to talk to him, Sarah was was the one who was wanted for blowing up Cyberdyne and murdering Miles Dyson. So the records and news John Henry researched would only have pointed to Sarah as being a threat to him (and therefore Savannah). If John had walked out the door with Sarah, I'm sure he would have been taken in too, but the cops were only waiting for Sarah Connor (based on the tip I believe they received from John Henry). And Sarah fought the police to distract them to give John time to take off in case they might have gone looking for him in the building.
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Post by t101 on Apr 7, 2009 5:17:26 GMT -5
John Connor was never a fugitive. No? They all were in the bank in 1999. John Henry is smart enough to see for himself that both Cameron and John are clearly on Sarah's side and therefore are also a threat.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 7, 2009 5:38:28 GMT -5
John Connor was never a fugitive. No? They all were in the bank in 1999. John is a known associate of Sarah's. At the most, he's an accessory to Sarah's crimes with Cyberdyne/the bank. He's a minor.. or was a minor back in 99 and would be dealt with differently than Sarah, especially since he never did commit a crime. He was there at the bank yes, but it couldn't be proven that he was there of his own free will. And to be a fugitive, you need to be charged with something and break out. John has never been charged with anything therefore he can't be a fugitive. And with the bank thing... John and Sarah didn't do anything but look confused and dare I say even scared. Cameron was the one that did all the stuff.. but Sarah will probably be charged with something in regards to the bank due to her criminal history.
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Post by t101 on Apr 7, 2009 7:45:47 GMT -5
I get the technicalities buy the point is the authorities are looking for all of them and would detain all of them. Who is guilty of what and how much is for a court to decide. Being pursued by authorities makes them fugitives.
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Post by aceplace57 on Apr 7, 2009 8:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by allergygal on Apr 7, 2009 11:53:43 GMT -5
I get the technicalities buy the point is the authorities are looking for all of them and would detain all of them. Who is guilty of what and how much is for a court to decide. Being pursued by authorities makes them fugitives. The simple answer is Sarah walked out the door alone and John and Cameron had time to take off while she was being arrested. But I think the fact that the cops were waiting for Sarah and they didn't immediately seal off the building means they weren't specifically looking for or expecting to find John and Cameron. John Henry must have only alerted the police to Sarah Connor.
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Post by battlejuice on Apr 7, 2009 13:28:55 GMT -5
I get the technicalities buy the point is the authorities are looking for all of them and would detain all of them. Who is guilty of what and how much is for a court to decide. Being pursued by authorities makes them fugitives. The simple answer is Sarah walked out the door alone and John and Cameron had time to take off while she was being arrested. But I think the fact that the cops were waiting for Sarah and they didn't immediately seal off the building means they weren't specifically looking for or expecting to find John and Cameron. John Henry must have only alerted the police to Sarah Connor. This was the only thing about this ep that made me go, hmmm. John had his records searched - or scanned - or whatever when he was in Mexico. I'd think it would all get connected and Sarah and John would both be looked for. But the scene was done well, so it doesn't bother me.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 7, 2009 13:45:16 GMT -5
John had his records searched - or scanned - or whatever when he was in Mexico. I'd think it would all get connected and Sarah and John would both be looked for. We don't have any indication that the cops were actively looking for either of them. I think the only reason they got Sarah is because John Henry tipped them off. Since he wouldn't have known where Sarah was, he probably told the police to follow Ellison to find her. So the thing that makes me scratch my head is why Ellison wasn't taken into custody too. That other agent was already suspicious of him anyway so I don't think he'd be inclined to think it was just coincidence that Ellison was at the same movie theater as Sarah Connor and just happened to find Savannah there.
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Post by terrasj on Apr 8, 2009 19:45:29 GMT -5
Thats the interesting part A.G, it could've been John Henry.... Or it also could've been Ellison, since he was formerly FBI, and he told the police investigator he'd be suspecting the same thing - the head of security kidnapping the CEO's child for blackmail purposes.
Its also possible that Ellison double-crossed Sarah. He already double crossed / betrayed the Connors once by digging up and stealing Cromartie's body. What better way to deflect the police investigator's suspicions than to tip off the police with a very tempting arrest of a wanted fugitive? Better yet, as one who's also now a supposed kidnapper and murderer.
Its underhanded and self serving of Ellison, but he's proven while he's a sporadic church goer, he's certainly no saint. And its already proven beneficial for him once - stealing Cromartie's body and handing it over to his potential new employer got him the head of security job for the company. It also put him on SkyNet's radar, with a look-alike T888 sent to kill and replace him. Theres something so ironic about that, come to think about it, as the old proverb goes "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions". What a fine road Ellison's been paving for himself indeed, because now Cameron wants a piece of him.
And if you noticed, finding out from Savannah about JH, that really struck a chord within Cameron. If we ever saw a Terminator expressing resent, disgust and holding a grudge over someone, Cameron certainly made her feelings and wishes known about how she should of dealt Ellison back then (when Cromartie's body went missing), and wants to go kill him now (ala in revenge). Heck, she let Ellison know with a cold threat in the car. Especially since Cam and John went to Ellison's directly from Mexico, and they were soo bloody close and spot on to suspect Ellison.
I just thought that was freaky chilling & awesome at the same time; considering the way Cameron's been slowly developing within. When normally a Terminator shouldn't have regrets, grudges or vendettas, malicious intent or any sort of emotional motivation or reason towards killing someone. Normally Terminators just go about their objective coolly, rational, logical, and determined.
I simply loved that scene, and Sarah speaking up loud and clear ordering Cameron not to kill anyone. Equally good was Cameron being dead serious around Ellison - meeting up with him, and telling him where to drive.
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Post by aztalanturf on Aug 15, 2009 14:34:30 GMT -5
I just watched this episode for like the 4th or 5th time and every time, the ending totally gets me. Eyes are never dry during "Donald Where's Your Trousers". This was a fabulous episode.
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Post by gulde on Aug 16, 2009 7:58:33 GMT -5
I just watched this episode for like the 4th or 5th time and every time, the ending totally gets me. Eyes are never dry during "Donald Where's Your Trousers". This was a fabulous episode. Yeah, true story
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