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Post by richardstevenhack on Nov 25, 2008 3:04:11 GMT -5
Well, I predict that either Cameron or Derek will kill Jesse.
In fact, I'm convinced Derek will do it - when he finds out that Jesse didn't tell him about Riley and that the real goal of Jesse's faction is to remove Connor as leader of the Resistance.
I think Derek is still intensely loyal to future John, and just as much so now that he knows he's John's uncle, despite any doubts he may have about John growing up to be the future John he knows.
So I think Derek will switch sides and kill Jesse, no matter how much that hurts him. And John will forgive his involvement in the plot against himself and Cameron when he sees that Derek has been used. And the same for Riley - John will forgive her when he sees she's just another lost kid who was used.
What Cameron will do is another matter. She may remain passive if John takes the lead in this matter. If John doesn't, however, and Cameron has to uncover the plot, then things may go awry. She may end up killing Jesse and possibly even Riley. Again, I think Derek will survive - although I may get my fondest wish and get to see Cameron kick his butt! ;D ;D
I liked Cameron's Japanese interlude tonight! That was great. I also liked the awkward "getting the hair right" bit. She had to come up with something conversational and that's all she had in the cupboard! ;D
I also liked the way she flirted with Xander.
This was a much better episode than last week.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 25, 2008 4:34:57 GMT -5
Jesse said that John spends all his time with Cameron, that could mean that she went through before Cameron. Perhaps Cameron already knows about Jesse and her mission. This is also where the new future thing can cause trouble. If they've changed the future then that means people who were sent back from old timelines were not sent back from the new timelines or have not yet been sent back. That could potentially lead to multiple copies of the same person being sent back from different futures. It also means that Kyle Reese doesn't have to be sent back, all they have to do is prevent Skynet from sending the T1 Terminator to 1984.
Derek telling Jesse that he's John's uncle was a terrible idea. Jesse can now track down young Derek and young Kyle.
Money really shouldn't be a problem for the Connors. Just have Cameron do some online gambling.
It seems that the problem with the Turk is that it doesn't even understand what death is.
The Turk has to be pretty advanced to be able to use Cromartie's body so quickly.
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Post by Ronnie on Nov 25, 2008 4:37:06 GMT -5
Jesse was telling Derek how in the Future, John was only talking to Cameron and was sending good men to their deaths. I guess they figured she was influencing and corrupting him.
However, when Derek got out of capture in the Future, he asked to see Connor, but was told no one would see him. Finally John sent for Derek, and sent him to the Present.
I would think this is what Jesse and the others are seeing, people are 'dying', but instead they are secretly being sent to the Present. She is trying to use Riley to lure John away from Cameron, and probably scrap her some how.
That's how I figure it anyways. Jesse said she came to "Stop her" (Cameron) and "Save him" (John). Mad surveillance going on on her part.
It does sort of jive with Derek in Season 1's Dungeons and Dragons, where he realized that John was surrounding himself with "Metal" but wasn't talking to anyone. But it turns out he was busy cooking up the time travel bit, sending Kyle back, then Derek.
Still not confirmed if he sent Cameron or not.
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Post by bowman on Nov 25, 2008 5:59:49 GMT -5
So, uh.. The doctor's name was written on the wall. They visited him a few times, gave up. I thought they followed the news? If they did they'd have seen that he died, and where he died.. Instant lead to Zeira Corp. Oh well. 40nm is actually state of the art, 12nm isn't possible yet, not until something like 2012. Oh, and I hope Cameron rips out Jesse's throat. Doesn't matter if she's pretty.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 25, 2008 6:31:51 GMT -5
Didn't Bill Clinton talk about a computer chip the size of a tear drop that could contain the collective knowledge of the human race in his last State of the Union Address? Bill Clinton is the man most responsible for Skynet! I knew Hillary was a Terminator.
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Post by t101 on Nov 25, 2008 6:35:49 GMT -5
Riley... Didn't see that one coming. Even though I thought it weird how she approached John and how pushy she is. The way she seems to be there with the aim to become John's girlfriend does imply a few things about John and Cameron, at least it implies what Jesse might be thinking. Seems counterproductive though. Any surprise he'd trust a robot when even his girlfriend is there to manipulate him?
"Imagine if he spends the next 20 years with her." So she's there to stop John's younger self from being with Cameron, which means she traveled back after Cameron had. Which means she should not need to imagine, she comes from a future where John did grow up with Cameron. But then why does she talk like that hasn't happened in her future yet? Did I mention I hate time travel?
"The rules don't apply." They've been foreshadowing Cameron's independence for some time I think.
Sarah is crazy. Or have we not seen the last of the three dots? Nice to see her beating the snot out of someone though.
CW is interested in teaching the Turk ethics. What is it she's building exactly? And why would Ellison be interested?
Sarah fears Cameron, her dreams reinforce that. Derek hates her. Jesse wants to stop her. Potentially they can all gang up on her.
If she wants to remove JC as the leader of the resistance then why bother with Riley?
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Post by timstuff on Nov 25, 2008 6:38:50 GMT -5
I hope Derek offs Jesse. He needs to prove his loyalty to his nephew and future commander. Jesse is messing with family, and Derek will ultimately have to put family before his comradery / love interest with Jesse. Also, we don't know if John's relationship with Cameron is really a problem in the future, or if Jesse has merely chosen to color it that way since she hates the machines so vehemently. She is playing Derek like a harp, and he's taking the bait, hook, line and sinker. Her goal might not even be to separate John from Cameron, but to remove John from the picture altogether.
It's quite likely that John was not the only candidate for leading the resistance. He was probably the only one who could lead them to victory, but it's quite possible that Jesse thinks that the world's fate would be better left in the hands of someone else. She'd rather take a shot in the dark than a clear shot at what she thinks is the wrong target, because her hate of "metals" has made her irrational enough to try anything.
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Post by t101 on Nov 25, 2008 6:51:49 GMT -5
Poor John, he'll end up hurt again. He's trying to escape from all this craziness in his life. He's pushing Cameron away because he sees how he's just her mission and she'll use his feelings to fulfill her goals and he's afraid of his emotional attachment to her. Enter Riley. I do appreciate the irony.
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Post by timstuff on Nov 25, 2008 7:53:23 GMT -5
Poor John, he'll end up hurt again. He's trying to escape from all this craziness in his life. He's pushing Cameron away because he sees how he's just her mission and she'll use his feelings to fulfill her goals and he's afraid of his emotional attachment to her. Enter Riley. I do appreciate the irony. Ironic indeed. Perhaps this will make John come to realize that humans and machines aren't all that different from each other. Human beings are just as capable of deceiving and hurting each other as machines are, and more and more John is coming to realize it. Perhaps on that same token though, if a human being is capable of being as cruel and deceptive as a machine, then a machine is capable of showing compassion and love? Enter Cameron Phillips.
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Post by t101 on Nov 25, 2008 8:53:23 GMT -5
In addition, Riley has suddenly become relevant. Now it makes sense why she clings to John and why she doesn't run off to the nearest police station. Seems her chirp attitude is fairly fake too. That thing with the bear and the fish, that was pretty weird. A normal clueless girl she's not. I wonder if she's been driven this way by Jesse's conditioning. Or it's because she's this way that Jesse could recruit her in the first place. Then of course she really could be from the future, but I don't think so.
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Post by cyadon on Nov 25, 2008 8:56:55 GMT -5
Another clue that Riley is a time traveler is when she's staring at the mirrors in the dressing room while meeting Jesse.
R: "They have a lot of mirrors in this world."
The use of 'this world' is particularly telling. This is not where she's from. This is someplace else. I'm convinced Riley is from 2027.
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Post by rayartz on Nov 25, 2008 9:06:25 GMT -5
It is great to know others share my thoughts on Riley not necessarily being from the future.
Right now I think she is a girl Jesse has preyed upon and is manipulating her. True Riley flipped out about bombs exploding and wipeing away everything her foster parents know but thats what Sarah said in T2!
I do wish Derek would get his head on straight. I mean come on dude she's AWOL! He's not seeing clearly if you ask me, he knows when people are lieing and can't tell that Jesse is keeping things from him? He's protective of John and I like that, So I can see him killig Jesse in the end once things come full circle on her end.
On the topic of Jesse again, I laughed when she said "I'm here to stop her" . I wanted Derek to say okay go stop her. If it was that easy wouldn't you have done it already!? Jesse versus Cameron = Jesse dies simple as that. Jesse isn't nearly as tough as she thinks she is nor anywhere near as tough as Sarah.
I'm post my thoughts on Cameron over on the episode 11 thread.....
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Post by t101 on Nov 25, 2008 9:18:19 GMT -5
R: "They have a lot of mirrors in this world." That's a good point. But I don't know... I keep picturing the way she was acting in Mexico. Is that really someone who's spent their life fleeing machines?
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Post by cyadon on Nov 25, 2008 9:39:12 GMT -5
R: "They have a lot of mirrors in this world." That's a good point. But I don't know... I keep picturing the way she was acting in Mexico. Is that really someone who's spent their life fleeing machines? Or, if you look at it a certain way, someone distinctly trying to act like the damsel in distress.
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Post by t101 on Nov 25, 2008 9:52:46 GMT -5
That's a good point. But I don't know... I keep picturing the way she was acting in Mexico. Is that really someone who's spent their life fleeing machines? Or, if you look at it a certain way, someone distinctly trying to act like the damsel in distress. I was going to address that in the previous post but didn't. She was still playing an act when Cromartie was pouring led on them? It's a little hard to believe. As for what she says: Her speech about bleached skulls is very close to Sarah's from T2. Like Sarah, the knowledge of what's to come is driving her crazy. The comment about mirrors is a comment about the vanity of the world. It's like she noticed for the first time. Again like Sarah's philosophical ramblings they are the words of someone who believes but not necessary lived through it. Then of course you could be right. ;D EDIT: There is actually another possible clue that Riley is from the future (kinda silly though). She seems to like food a lot. Like Jesse and Derek who binge on crappy food.
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