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Post by vicheron on Sept 28, 2008 4:07:50 GMT -5
They could always go the way of the predestination paradox like in T1. Just make it so that everything happens exactly the way they're supposed to because of interference in the past. They could have a "Twelve Monkeys" moment where Derek does something that his past self sees and he suddenly remembers witnessing that event as a kid. It would certainly make everything more interesting as Derek begins to doubt if he's changing history or just replaying it.
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Post by traitorsgate on Sept 28, 2008 4:30:26 GMT -5
I think the only person who's trying to make it into a different future - hopefully without Skynet, but in any event with Connor alive - is Cameron. My "Grand Unified Theory of TSCC" is that Cameron is motivated by pure self-aware survival need to hide out in the past and stay close to Connor so that she survives no matter what happens in the future.. I agree with you insofar as I believe it's Cameron with the agenda. Having said that I don't see why it should include the Connors, John in particular. I can see that it's in Cameron's best interest as a machine that has become self-aware to go through the motions of being allied to the Connors in order to stop Skynet/Judgement Day. If and once that is done it effectively makes Cameron immune as she would be free to live in a world that wasn't about to blow up and as such she/it would have a lifetime to learn about her own self awareness. The Connors however would be seen as a legacy of a now defunct future and as such would be a potential liability, for her own sake Cameron would have to kill them. The idea of them stopping Skynet and John & Cameron living together happily ever after is pure shipper fantasy and the stuff of C grade Mills & Boon melodrama.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 28, 2008 19:42:39 GMT -5
Well, I don't necessarily suggest that Cameron would remain with John until he drops dead even after Skynet is beaten in the past - assuming that's even possible. But she wouldn't necessarily have to kill them either - that might attract even more heat than she's already subject to just being with them. In fact, she could simply remain with them until they do die, then go her way. Remember, she's effectively immortal compared to humans, assuming her flesh doesn't have the same aging problem that human flesh has - which is likely since everything appears to be synthetic and not genetically identical human flesh, despite Kyle's "bad breath" pronouncements.
I think she wants to keep Connor alive at least until Judgment Day and Skynet is stopped. Beyond that, it would be pointless speculation as to her intentions. From a Transhumanist standpoint, her survival would be paramount. If she still felt threatened by humans after the Connors went away by whatever means, she would merely have to find someone else to serve as her cover. But it's likely by that time that all she would need to do is make sure nobody finds out she's a machine underneath. That really wouldn't be all that hard once she's fully learned how to simulate human behavior in the present time period.
It would be interesting fanfic to speculate what she would do in that situation, but it's irrelevant to the series since the series will never go long enough to deal with any of that.
In fact, I have an idea for the series Josh should consider - bring someone else in who can offer her nearly the same - or better - cover as John. That would tend to pull her away from John and complicate both her mission and his life. While John is the only one currently who knows she's a machine and who knows about Skynet, if another character is introduced who knows the same things and who sees value in having the Caminator as an ally, and who can offer her an enhanced level of protection and training in human society, she might be tempted to dump John - unless she really does have some sort of "emotional" attachment to him. And even that latter might not withstand a better offer.
Women are pragmatic!
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Post by vicheron on Sept 29, 2008 15:20:13 GMT -5
If Cameron isn't following orders from future John then why would she want to destroy Skynet? If Cameron kills John then Skynet would win and that would pretty much guarantee her survival.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 29, 2008 20:01:13 GMT -5
Sarah - "He's not a soldier."
Derek - "Not yet."
From the newest trailer.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 1:26:19 GMT -5
Yeah Next week is Gonna be wild.
On that note Season 2 has been consistently brill thus far.
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Post by legendzero on Sept 30, 2008 1:43:14 GMT -5
Anyone know where I can see the trailer for this episode? I missed it.
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Post by aceplace57 on Sept 30, 2008 1:44:44 GMT -5
Jody's parents house in Alison From Palmdale sure looks like the one in 2x05's previews. The bald terminator kicks in the door. I've compared the 2x04 and the promo. Same white staircase and white trim around the door. The angle in the promo doesn't show the frosted glass to the right of the door. That seems like a really big coincidence. Do you think it's just a similar house or the same one? I can't imagine how a street hooker's family ties in with Skynet. btw, don't Terminators use Rogaine? preview clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOhv_vnBFM
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Post by jen22 on Sept 30, 2008 2:07:02 GMT -5
LOL at Cameron's reply to Sarah telling her to blow the T-888's head off. Reminds me of S1 Cameron whose matter of fact answers always came out like that. Those always amused me.
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Post by Ronnie on Sept 30, 2008 2:26:43 GMT -5
I wonder how the Connors get wind of who the new T-888 is targeting. Hopefully he has been here for awhile and is not another "Bubble Baby"
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 30, 2008 5:17:01 GMT -5
Vicheron: That's a good question. There are two answers I can come up with.
1) John really did reprogram her not to kill him in the future, and, glitches aside, she still has to obey that programming, despite being self aware.
Also, what she said in episode two in season one was that she obeys orders from future John - but not present John. Maybe that is another reason she came back - she can't be fully independent in the future, but she can be in the past. And then she can work her seduction of John.
2) Remember, if her goal is to survive, that implies also NOT to be under the control of either Skynet or the humans. So she can't want Skynet to win, partly because of future John's programming and also because she can't be independent while operating under Skynet's programming. Skynet is just as likely to send her on a "suicide mission" as she is to be destroyed if the humans win. This makes the future a "no-win" scenario for her.
If YOU were in the future, and knew it was possible to get out of that mess in the past, and YOU had access to a time machine YOU knew how to operate, what would YOU do?
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Post by theturk on Sept 30, 2008 9:36:55 GMT -5
Jody's parents house in Alison From Palmdale sure looks like the one in 2x05's previews. The bald terminator kicks in the door. I've compared the 2x04 and the promo. Same white staircase and white trim around the door. The angle in the promo doesn't show the frosted glass to the right of the door. That seems like a really big coincidence. Do you think it's just a similar house or the same one? I can't imagine how a street hooker's family ties in with Skynet. Good eye! Both Jody's parents house and Marty Bedell's house are redresses of the same place, the so-called "Lethal Weapon" house on Warner Ranch. It's best known as Det. Murtaugh's house in the Lethal Weapon moves. My writing partner and I were so geeked out the first time we saw it that we reenacted the Mel Gibson/Gary Busey fight on the front lawn.
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Post by Erika on Sept 30, 2008 10:12:21 GMT -5
OMG you're right even the interior was the same - guess the house wasn't destroyed afterall
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 30, 2008 12:15:23 GMT -5
This might be way out of left field, but in the final trailer (especially the final scene), when John is in the woods, did anyone else notice the look he gave? I'm beginning to wonder if Cameron joins the bad terminators? Or maybe Derek did something to her?
Ah, I'm probably way off and she's probably not even involved in that showdown, but hey, after last night's episode, anything is possible.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 13:57:36 GMT -5
With this series anything is possible is about the one phrase you can say and always be 100 percent right.
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