01x08 Vick's Chip

[Erika]

Talk about the Vicks chip here!

[jen22]

I find this pic so cute. And a little naughty. I mean look at where John's elbow literally rests.

[oneye]

Wow, I wonder what is going on in that scene.

[Derek Reese]

Possible damage with her neural system?

[Derek Reese]

Footage from the finale couresty Fox's YouTube: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn75T3qBCSA

[rossbondreturns]

I still think BAG could be a big bad...I mentioned that in a PM to theturk. He said some of the stuff you are right on others you are not.

[Derek Reese]

I can see that. I mean there's a number of possible angles, that Derek Resse really fits in. He maybe a "good guy" in appearence, but at the same time, he maybe the one trying to end the resistance as a result and thus canceling John's own existence within the future and the like.

I'd ask who's right and who's wrong, but I'm going for speculation myself at this point. I'm personally just enjoying the ride their giving us as fans.

[Erika]

Two more clips up!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAp1KXZuZgs

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXHckt-T1KI

[Derek Reese]

Great to see FOX promoting so heavily for the finale.

[roseredscare]

Sorry but Derek as a someone working against the resistance doesn't make sense at all. First he hates machines (that's an undeniable fact). Second everything he's done up to this point has been to stop Skynet and that includes telling the Connors to leave him in jail so they wouldn't attract the attention of the T-888 that was hunting him. Third, a T-888 was hunting him and killed his partners. Fourth, he was proud that his brother died to save John and fighting the machines. Fifth, if Derek ever found out Kyle was John's father he loves Kyle too much (another undeniable fact) to leak the information that could have his brother targeted by Skynet. Sixth, John chose Derek be to sent back for a reason, he must have trusted him to a certain degree and I don't think it's just becasue they're family. And I could go on. The only real suspect thing he's done is lie to Sarah about killing Andy and that may have been to save face with the Connors, who knows.

Derek is indeed a loose cannon who needs to learn there are limits (moral and otherwise) when doing what needs to be done while trying to stop Skynet and I think the Connors will teach him that.

[Derek Reese]

The thing is we don't know what happened in the room, where he was tortured. How or why or what the Terminators were doing to him. We don't officially know what Skynet was doing to them in that building. We know that they found out about the location, which possibly means someone leaked it (Derek seems like a likely source) or someone else did within the facility. There's also the possibility of being programmed by Skynet, without being aware of it (but that's out of left field and slim, but still a possibility.)

That's just the thing though. He is a loose canon and he's got his own agenda, that he's determined to fulfill with or without the Connor's (or at least that's the way I read him). He went back on John's orders but killed Andy out of his own choice, believing that he's done right.

He's in the whole situation just to save his brother, although if he takes a step in the wrong direction and possibly goes against the Connor's to correct things his way, there's a possibly (I'm using that word a lot tonight) that the Future War may not even happen, which may even erase things out of existence.

Really there's a whole lot of Derek that's left up to question: what happened to him? What his true motives are? And should they truly trust him even if he's his uncle? Questions, I hope we get more answers on as we go.

Edit: From the Turk on the room on Terminator Files:

"
Uh, not yet. Stay tuned (and hope we get a second season!)"

[blueeyes83]

Thanks for posting the previews, it looks like it's going to be a really interesting episode.

[Derek Reese]

According to Wondercon, apparently these clips did appear there or at least one of them did. I wasn't there but on the video footage, Josh Friedman, the show's creator sets it up as much.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

[roseredscare]

There's also the possibility of being programmed by Skynet, without being aware of it (but that's out of left field and slim, but still a possibility.)

I hope that's not a way they will go. I want everything Derek does to be him not that he was made to do it. I want all his decisions to be his own choice and for him to be fully responsible. If they went the brainwashing way, I think it would ruin the character for me. Plus it doesn't make sense in the regards to the fact that Skynet took the trouble to send a T-888 into the past to hunt them (all but one of Derek's partners had been held prisoner with him) down. If Skynet wanted them as sleeper agents within the resistance why the heck kill them all?

that he's determined to fulfill with or without the Connor's (or at least that's the way I read him). He went back on John's orders but killed Andy out of his own choice, believing that he's done right.

Now if he didn't care about the Connors he wouldn't be doing what they tell him to do. Hell, in that first clip he presented that chip to Sarah like she was his commanding officer. In Demon Hand Sarah told him he had to eat at the table and even though he looked like he'd rather throw up than sit at the table with Cameron he did it. Up to this point his biggest issues with the Connors has been Cameron and there he's only trying to prove his case that she's not trustworthy.

He seems to like John (his 'a strong boy' comment to Sarah and later bonding sessions with John) despite his chip on his shoulder about his brother and he seems to respect Sarah.

In regards to his mission, according to D&D their mission was to establish a safe house, gather intel and wait for who ever to show up. As far as we saw that's exactly what they did. It wasn't until the T-888 showed up and killed all of Derek's partners, did Derek start to stalk Andy and even then Andy remained breathing for three episodes.

Put yourself in Derek's shoes, the T-888 has completely wiped out your unit and now is actively hunting you and there is no real way of stopping it. The Connors have finally arrived but you can't approach them without fear of bringing metal down on them. It's only a matter of time before the T-888 finds you so you decide to use the one piece of information you know about Skynet's birth to at least strike a blow before you go down or are forced to leave the city. The mission he was on was a failure, I can't blame him for going after Andy because what else could he have done other than run?

[Derek Reese]

Can't find it in me to disagree with that. Sounds very logical and I agree. Karma.