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Post by Alexis on Jul 26, 2009 11:55:21 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post. Important announcement: ____IF YOU ARE READING THIS -- YOU ARE THE RESISTANCE____
ALL WEEKLY T:SCC INTERNET RALLIES ARE NOW COMBINED INTO ONE NEW GLOBAL RALLY
Over time the weekly internet fan rallies have slowly lost participation. To simplify and end confusion, to gain strength and speak with one united voice, we will bring every fan from all countries from all over the world together at the same time and place.
STARTING ON SUNDAY JULY 26 ALL RALLIES COMBINE INTO ONE BIG RALLY
We will rally at the Warner Brothers Forum: www.thewb.com/boards/showthread.php?t=506 and open different tabs for the various sites we also want to post at, including the SyFy Forum: forums.syfy.com/index.php?showtopic=2332484&st=3120 with the intention to add further sites in the future.
EVERY WEEK ON SUNDAY FOR 2 HOURS STARTING AT 1PM EASTERN TIME
The rally will begin at 1pm Eastern time, which makes the start time 10am for those fans on the West Coast of USA, and 9pm for fans in Moscow, Russia. This 1pm Eastern start time is a compromise so that everyone from LA to Moscow can have a convenient time of day to participate. Fans can calculate the 1pm Eastern (New York City) start time into their own local time by visiting this link: 24timezones.com/
>>> ON SUNDAY 1PM EASTERN JULY 26 2009 THE WHOLE WORLD WILL UNITE AS ONE TO FIGHT FOR T:SCC <<<
___________________VIVA LA RESISTANCE__________________[/color] Message composed by b2tbone and originally posted on Terminator Wiki (Page 16) Please, spread the word. Hang in there, baby![/quote] Today is the day.
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Post by gulde on Jul 26, 2009 14:11:02 GMT -5
Awesome guys, there were a lot of us (almost 50 pages of posts since beginning of the rally on WB forum, a little less at SyFy forum (on SyFy were about 60 of us online in that topic)), but for next time, we should try to discuss about TSCC and its fate, not only posting thing like "Save TSCC" "Save Cameron", etc. But still better than nothing .
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Post by aztalanturf on Jul 26, 2009 17:54:25 GMT -5
Nice work!
I agree that it might be useful to start talking about the show. I'm getting bored with the random "Save TSCC" posts. I'd like to participate in some discussions during the rallies. Topic count does show up on the main WB forums page.
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Post by gulde on Jul 26, 2009 19:14:12 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah...but it will be hard to organise all users to talk about it. Actually it would be even really chaotic, if people would talk about the show at one place at same time. There were about 60 of us on SyFy forum, and if everyone would talk about the show, it would be really hard to handle all posts and react on at least some of them...
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Post by aztalanturf on Jul 26, 2009 21:18:31 GMT -5
You make a good point. *shrug*
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Post by robbystellarseed on Jul 26, 2009 22:26:40 GMT -5
So, no 3d Season, in the Fall. Bummer.
I did some more thinking about TSCC replacing Lost, in 2010, on ABC. Still possible, but there is the issue of ABC Studios competing against WB Studios. Both produce TV Series.
Example is Reaper -- shown on WB, but produced by ABC. Not sure ABC would want to pick-up a Series (TSCC) made by a competitor (WB). But, WB did (in showing Reaper). So, dunno. Complicated issue.Sorry, but I don't understand...WB has it's own TV channel, or something like that? ****** Yes, WB and CBS have combined forces in a TV Channel called CW ( CBS/ WB). It has been around for years, as "The WB." But recently (last 2-3 years?) they merged with CBS. So, that's why many TSCC'ers are focusing on the WB web-site -- they have their own TV network, just like SyFy. But, WB goes even one better -- it has a TV (and Movie) Production Studio, too -- the one that actually makes TSCC Eps. ****** BTW, as many of TSCC fans as possible should also buy a Terminator Salvation DVD/Blu-ray, because the fate TSCC also depends on Salvation sales... ****** I'm sorry to say, but I just didn't like the Movie. It was quite "implausible," in many aspects of its story-line. TSCC is *so* much better. Now, I'd buy a Season 2 DVD, etc, of TSCC -- but not Salvation. ****** Well, maybe not "abandoned," but certainly the "traffic" has fallen off greatly. I esp see this on the TSCC wiki web-site. It's pretty dead -- at least on "Save TSCC" issues. Most people have given up, I guess. Understandable.I don't think, that they give it up...but Iam sure, that there will be a plenty of posts in august, when this billboard campaign will be up and running (I see it even now, how many users will be posting here a photos of this billboard truck from all around LA ;D). I still trying to post as many posts as possible everywhere (now matter if here, on savethescc.com forum, or on our own czech fansite forum), to stir up people to bring themselves in to discussion. But it seems especially here that it doesn't work... ****** Yeah, the "billboard" thing -- and esp "bumper stickers" on autos -- is a good idea. But... we need more people participating in all of this. Only around 100 people (max) on the Rally today. That's kinda disappointing, IMO. ****** BTW, I'm having some computer problems; so, will have to drop off here, for a while.
****** Got the computer fixed. All day job, after the Rally. ******
Been nice talking w/you. Hang in there. Keep Hope Alive.
Maybe see you, later, at the "Rallies" on the WB and SyFy sites every Sunday, 1pm EDT (I can't make the one today).Of course mate, good luck with solving it and see you around later. I'll be there as long, as the resistence will need me . And now excuse me, I have some SyFy and WB forums to spam... ;D.
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Post by robbystellarseed on Jul 26, 2009 22:29:10 GMT -5
Nice work! I agree that it might be useful to start talking about the show. I'm getting bored with the random "Save TSCC" posts. I'd like to participate in some discussions during the rallies. Topic count does show up on the main WB forums page. ***** Yes, we've still got to emphasize to WB and SyFy, et al, where they can make money on TSCC. Ideas welcome. ***** Robby
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Post by gulde on Jul 27, 2009 4:29:48 GMT -5
Yes, WB and CBS have combined forces in a TV Channel called CW (CBS/WB). It has been around for years, as "The WB." But recently (last 2-3 years?) they merged with CBS.
So, that's why many TSCC'ers are focusing on the WB web-site -- they have their own TV network, just like SyFy. But, WB goes even one better -- it has a TV (and Movie) Production Studio, too -- the one that actually makes TSCC Eps.Oh, thats cool...So then I don't understand, why WB sold TSCC to Fox, when they have their own TV. Why they didn't get it on their own TV? BTW then we should focus on pushing CBS too, not only WB. And another BTW, whats the Halcyon's role in all of this? WB has rights to the TSCC, and Halcyon has the rights for entire Terminator universe, am I right? I'm sorry to say, but I just didn't like the Movie. It was quite "implausible," in many aspects of its story-line. TSCC is *so* much better. Now, I'd buy a Season 2 DVD, etc, of TSCC -- but not Salvation.Yeah, I like TSCC far more than that, but still seems like a good movie to me. I think, that its not so popular, because it takes place in the future. Until now, all Terminator movies were only in the "present", 1984, 1994, 2004 (interesting, never noticed that it takes place exactly 10 years one after another), and in every movie, there were only some short "memories on the future". It was that interesting contrast between the present and terminator(s) from the future, that made it so cool. But in Salvation, there is no time travelling, just a future, and it simply doesn't "exploit" all those cool stuff in Terminator universe. But still, now Salvation has about 350mil USD profit, movie cost 200mil USD, but half of entire movie profits goes straight to the cinemas, so it needs at least 400mil USD profit to only pay itself. I don't know how the DVD/Blu-ray will be successfull, and if they will make at least those 50 mil USD, but I hope, that they will, even now is WB little disappointed with current Terminator movie's and TSCC's profit, and don't know, how much they are willing to give it another chance. Yeah, the "billboard" thing -- and esp "bumper stickers" on autos -- is a good idea. But... we need more people participating in all of this. Only around 100 people (max) on the Rally today. That's kinda disappointing, IMO.I think that 100 people were relatively lot in current circumstances. There were about 65 guys in that TSCC rally topic on SyFy forum, and it was about 1/4 of all users that were currently online in the forum at the moment, and thats relatively good number, if realize that TSCC is show that isn't on SyFy. And don't forget about holidays, so many people are gone now. So I think, that it was quite a success. Got the computer fixed. All day job, after the Rally.Good to hear that
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Post by gulde on Jul 27, 2009 16:14:18 GMT -5
www.televisionwithoutpity.com/tubeys/nominees.phpNew categories on Tubey Awards, but only one with TSCC: Best Returning Show - TSCC (I really don't understand this nomination ) And don't make a mistake to vote for "Cameron" in some categories, because its not our Cameron, its Cameron from House M.D. ;D.
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Post by robbystellarseed on Jul 27, 2009 22:35:16 GMT -5
Yes, WB and CBS have combined forces in a TV Channel called CW (CBS/WB). It has been around for years, as "The WB." But recently (last 2-3 years?) they merged with CBS.
So, that's why many TSCC'ers are focusing on the WB web-site -- they have their own TV network, just like SyFy. But, WB goes even one better -- it has a TV (and Movie) Production Studio, too -- the one that actually makes TSCC Eps.Oh, thats cool...So then I don't understand, why WB sold TSCC to Fox, when they have their own TV. Why they didn't get it on their own TV? ****** That's a very good question, that no one seems to know the answer to. But, clearly, WB has the chance to pick-up it's own show now -- so why don't they?? Go figure. At least, we haven't gotten a definitive "rejection" from WB, like we have from SyFy. ****** BTW then we should focus on pushing CBS too, not only WB. ****** I recommended that some months ago, but no one picked up on it. This last year, CBS dropped the Show "Moonlight" (about modern-day vampires; quite good, actually) -- so, maybe CBS would be looking for some other kind of "science fiction" Series -- voila, TSCC. ****** And another BTW, whats the Halcyon's role in all of this? WB has rights to the TSCC, and Halcyon has the rights for entire Terminator universe, am I right? ****** Not sure of all the details. But, it's my understanding that Halcyon has the rights to all things "Terminator" -- all the movies, as well as TSCC. So, I guess, WB has to pay for a license from Halcyon, to produce TSCC? ****** I'm sorry to say, but I just didn't like the Movie. It was quite "implausible," in many aspects of its story-line. TSCC is *so* much better. Now, I'd buy a Season 2 DVD, etc, of TSCC -- but not Salvation.Yeah, I like TSCC far more than that, but still seems like a good movie to me. I think, that its not so popular, because it takes place in the future. Until now, all Terminator movies were only in the "present", 1984, 1994, 2004 (interesting, never noticed that it takes place exactly 10 years one after another), and in every movie, there were only some short "memories on the future". It was that interesting contrast between the present and terminator(s) from the future, that made it so cool. But in Salvation, there is no time travelling, just a future, and it simply doesn't "exploit" all those cool stuff in Terminator universe. ****** That's a good analysis. To my thinking, many people may not want to see such a bleak future. But, as you point out below, it has done fairly well at the Box Office -- with around $360 Million USD Gross (over a budget of around $200 Million). Not bad, in such poor economic times. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Salvation****** But still, now Salvation has about 350mil USD profit, movie cost 200mil USD, but half of entire movie profits goes straight to the cinemas, so it needs at least 400mil USD profit to only pay itself. I don't know how the DVD/Blu-ray will be successfull, and if they will make at least those 50 mil USD, but I hope, that they will, even now is WB little disappointed with current Terminator movie's and TSCC's profit, and don't know, how much they are willing to give it another chance. ****** Well, the "chatter" I read on the Web says they're considering *two* more sequels to Salvation -- since it does look like Salvation will be profitable (mostly due to international revenues). That bodes well for TSCC -- which, I think, was largely done as "Advertising" for Salvation. ****** Yeah, the "billboard" thing -- and esp "bumper stickers" on autos -- is a good idea. But... we need more people participating in all of this. Only around 100 people (max) on the Rally today. That's kinda disappointing, IMO.I think that 100 people were relatively lot in current circumstances. There were about 65 guys in that TSCC rally topic on SyFy forum, and it was about 1/4 of all users that were currently online in the forum at the moment, and thats relatively good number, if realize that TSCC is show that isn't on SyFy. And don't forget about holidays, so many people are gone now. So I think, that it was quite a success. ****** While 100 is a good "relative" showing -- it is nothing that any Studio or TV Network would ever look at. We need numbers in the many thousands (over 10,000) to make an impression. That's not gonna happen. But... still, we should keep trying. ****** Got the computer fixed. All day job, after the Rally.Good to hear that
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Post by gulde on Jul 28, 2009 5:11:35 GMT -5
That's a very good question, that no one seems to know the answer to. But, clearly, WB has the chance to pick-up it's own show now -- so why don't they?? Go figure. At least, we haven't gotten a definitive "rejection" from WB, like we have from SyFy.
Maybe because of profits. If it would be on their own TV, they would get money only from ads, but when they sold it to Fox, Iam pretty sure that they had contract on some certain prize.
I recommended that some months ago, but no one picked up on it. This last year, CBS dropped the Show "Moonlight" (about modern-day vampires; quite good, actually) -- so, maybe CBS would be looking for some other kind of "science fiction" Series -- voila, TSCC.
I've just posted something about it on savethescc.com forum, that we should start to push on CBS. We'll see if there will be some reaction on it. And even if no, I will write an email righ to the CBS.
That's a good analysis. To my thinking, many people may not want to see such a bleak future. But, as you point out below, it has done fairly well at the Box Office -- with around $360 Million USD Gross (over a budget of around $200 Million). Not bad, in such poor economic times.
Yeah, you are right, actually never thought about that part in this relatively poor success of Terminator: Salvation could be because of current economic crisis...good point.
Well, the "chatter" I read on the Web says they're considering *two* more sequels to Salvation -- since it does look like Salvation will be profitable (mostly due to international revenues). That bodes well for TSCC -- which, I think, was largely done as "Advertising" for Salvation.
There will be definetly some terminator movies, they know, that Terminator is a strong brand, and had a lot of potential.
While 100 is a good "relative" showing -- it is nothing that any Studio or TV Network would ever look at. We need numbers in the many thousands (over 10,000) to make an impression. That's not gonna happen.
But... still, we should keep trying. It was still for a first time, we'll see how it will goes in next weeks. But as I said, its better then nothing.
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Post by robbystellarseed on Jul 28, 2009 13:41:45 GMT -5
That's a very good question, that no one seems to know the answer to. But, clearly, WB has the chance to pick-up it's own show now -- so why don't they?? Go figure. At least, we haven't gotten a definitive "rejection" from WB, like we have from SyFy.Maybe because of profits. If it would be on their own TV, they would get money only from ads, but when they sold it to Fox, Iam pretty sure that they had contract on some certain prize. ***** Another good point, you make. It's hard to know all the "ins and outs" of the TV license business. Maybe it's very lucrative. I just don't know. But, your thought could explain some things. ***** I recommended that some months ago, but no one picked up on it. This last year, CBS dropped the Show "Moonlight" (about modern-day vampires; quite good, actually) -- so, maybe CBS would be looking for some other kind of "science fiction" Series -- voila, TSCC.I've just posted something about it on savethescc.com forum, that we should start to push on CBS. We'll see if there will be some reaction on it. And even if no, I will write an email righ to the CBS. ***** Let me know how savethescc responds. Maybe I can help, too. ***** That's a good analysis. To my thinking, many people may not want to see such a bleak future. But, as you point out below, it has done fairly well at the Box Office -- with around $360 Million USD Gross (over a budget of around $200 Million). Not bad, in such poor economic times.Yeah, you are right, actually never thought about that part in this relatively poor success of Terminator: Salvation could be because of current economic crisis...good point. ***** That economic issue is what, I think, ultimately caused TSCC to be canceled (and not picked-up by others). An expensive Show, but with good activity from Advertisers, it could pay it's own way. With the slow economy, Advertisers pulled back. So, not enough money for TSCC production, etc. ***** Well, the "chatter" I read on the Web says they're considering *two* more sequels to Salvation -- since it does look like Salvation will be profitable (mostly due to international revenues). That bodes well for TSCC -- which, I think, was largely done as "Advertising" for Salvation.There will be definetly some terminator movies, they know, that Terminator is a strong brand, and had a lot of potential. While 100 is a good "relative" showing -- it is nothing that any Studio or TV Network would ever look at. We need numbers in the many thousands (over 10,000) to make an impression. That's not gonna happen.
But... still, we should keep trying.It was still for a first time, we'll see how it will goes in next weeks. But as I said, its better then nothing. ***** Agreed. We'll keep watching and hoping that our GRR's get better. *****
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Post by gulde on Jul 28, 2009 18:12:50 GMT -5
Let me know how savethescc responds. Maybe I can help, too. Even if they not, we can still spam CBS's mailbox on our own ;D.
That economic issue is what, I think, ultimately caused TSCC to be canceled (and not picked-up by others). An expensive Show, but with good activity from Advertisers, it could pay it's own way. With the slow economy, Advertisers pulled back. So, not enough money for TSCC production, etc. Yeah, you are right. As I said, I've never even thought about that it all could have been because of those economic issues (not just only because of it, but it could have played at least some role in all of this).
Agreed. We'll keep watching and hoping that our GRR's get better. Hope so. I've even talked about it with on of the guys that helped to organize this GRR, about announcing some topic to discuss about on the next GRR. I've also suggested, that next GRR could be combined with some TSCC episode rewatching and discussing about that certain episode, or some sort of little fanart contest . Simply something else, than just screaming some "Save TSCC" and "Give us Cameron" phrases all over the place.
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Post by robbystellarseed on Jul 29, 2009 15:14:58 GMT -5
Let me know how savethescc responds. Maybe I can help, too.Even if they not, we can still spam CBS's mailbox on our own ;D. ***** Maybe suggest that on the next GRR? But... I'd be careful *not* to call it "Spam." In the US, that has a fairly negative connotation. ***** That economic issue is what, I think, ultimately caused TSCC to be canceled (and not picked-up by others). An expensive Show, but with good activity from Advertisers, it could pay it's own way. With the slow economy, Advertisers pulled back. So, not enough money for TSCC production, etc.Yeah, you are right. As I said, I've never even thought about that it all could have been because of those economic issues (not just only because of it, but it could have played at least some role in all of this). Agreed. We'll keep watching and hoping that our GRR's get better.Hope so. I've even talked about it with on of the guys that helped to organize this GRR, about announcing some topic to discuss about on the next GRR. I've also suggested, that next GRR could be combined with some TSCC episode rewatching and discussing about that certain episode, or some sort of little fanart contest . Simply something else, than just screaming some "Save TSCC" and "Give us Cameron" phrases all over the place. ***** Fully agree with you about the "mindless" postings on, "We Want More TSCC," etc. Although I sympathize with their perspective, it doesn't contribute much to getting our Show back. We need more "substantive" discussions. In any case, hope to see you on the next GRR. *****
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Post by gulde on Jul 29, 2009 16:50:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll be on the next GRR, but the 3rd one will be without my presence...but for 4th one I'll be back!
BTW, did you said, that TSCC wiki is quite abandoned? Seems to me that there is a lot of guys there, not abandoned at all.
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