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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 7, 2009 11:06:08 GMT -5
Why not simply go for John herself?
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 7, 2009 12:42:23 GMT -5
I've been thinking about that final scene between John and Cameron in the Ausiello clip. There's an odd, almost frantic way that Cameron's eyes are moving. John is looking at her so tenderly. Ausiello clip shows her getting another electric jolt and multiple gunshots. What if her chip degrades to the point she loses motor control? Yeah, that's a pretty grim ending. Cameron could be the one that's leaves John. No wonder Summer Glau is so shocked and saddened by the ending. I'll be watching Cameron's chip issues closely. We've already seen the hand twitching. Remember how she got "stuck" mopping the floor in the power plant? I can easily see Cameron slipping into a coma. That will be a horrific end. Especially, if S3 never happens. I'm confidant they'd revive her for another season. This is one time I hope I'm wrong. But, the hints have been there all season. The boxer that takes one hit too many is a classic trope. The hero that ignores his doctors and fights anyway was recently used in The Wrestler. Cameron probably knows her damage is cumulative and she still puts herself at risk for John Connor.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 7, 2009 12:56:27 GMT -5
John of the future could send a replacement Cameron back and she would have all the memories of before because he possibly took the chip out in present day and saved it to put in another Cameron in the future.By that time he would have had better know how and equipment to repair the chip or transfer its memory over onto a new chip. He would have known the day that the first Cameron broke down so he would have sent the replacement back to the same day the first gets thermited.
If this happened in season 3, I suppose John and Sarah's mouth would drop. It would kind of be like the T2 - T3 storyline with the 101's reappearance. Just a hypothesis of course.
What about the endo arm? Could acquiring the end-arm be related to repairing Cameron?
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Post by Rift on Mar 7, 2009 21:11:10 GMT -5
Well, about the whole Jesse thing, I honestly believe she's either a human Skynet agent or from a faction of the Resistance that doesn't like how John runs things. However, I never miss a chance to diss Derek so if she had been a Terminator I would have laughed hard.
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Post by driftlight23 on Mar 8, 2009 5:15:12 GMT -5
I'm just getting visions of some kind of total Lassie ending now, with the poor brave Terminator having to be put down by her grieving owner because she gets too damaged to carry on, and everyone's devastated - and then a few weeks later a bouncy young new Terminator that looks EXACTLY like the old one mysteriously turns up and brings joy back into their lives! ;D
I haven't cried over a robot since Silent Running. Oh, and The Black Hole. But I have a horrible feeling that's what I'll be doing again at the end of 2.22...
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Post by t101 on Mar 8, 2009 7:17:55 GMT -5
Replacing Cameron with the same model wont make up for the loss of the character. All that character development would be flushed down the toilet.
If this is what they plan, it's a jump the shark for me.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 8, 2009 9:14:35 GMT -5
Replacing Cameron with a new model (or chip) does seem like a shark moment. I'm not sure how the Cameron issues would be resolved in S3. The Wiki is speculating Weaver or John Henry could fix her. But, we don't even know their agendas or if they'll survive S2. I like the heal thy self routine, where the chip reroutes functions through non-damaged pathways. It's an old technique that's been done in many a tearjerker with brain injured characters. Not too inspiring, but how many times can John pull the chip, dust it off, and pop it back in? Once was more than enough. I always thought the chip did some self-repair after the power plant episode. Cameron was better for awhile, got worse in Allison and then better again. The spoiler vids and Summer's interviews give me the impression Cameron will end the season on a cliffhanger. We'll find out in a few weeks what Josh wrote. I'd prefer that Cameron goes down fighting for John. At least that's a heroic fate. Yanking her chip because she's too dangerous, seems unsatisfying and undignified. It would indicate John finally lost his trust in her. Heck, maybe Summer's interviews are a diversion. Cameron retires to the country and becomes an activist for the Audubon Society. She has to atone for that bird somehow.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 14, 2009 15:41:03 GMT -5
Replacing Cameron with the same model wont make up for the loss of the character. All that character development would be flushed down the toilet. If this is what they plan, it's a jump the shark for me. I agree. I want the original, not some inferior copy who does not have all this history of the past 2 seasons, no contact with Eric for example, no conflict with Riley/John/Sarah. Moreover, I think the damage to her chip makes her more interesting. I want a Cameron who learns to live with whatever has changed in her chip (not necessarily for the worst), not a "new" one with an undamaged chip.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 17, 2009 1:29:35 GMT -5
What's all this worry about Cameron getting destroyed? If Thomas's spoilers were true, then we've got leave/die/betray for Sarah, Cameorn and Riley. Well, Riley's dead, so that means Cameron and Sarah either leave or betray John. I think the most likely outcome is that Cameron betrays John and Sarah leaves.
That conversation Cameron and Sarah had at the end of Today is the Day pt1 seemed to be setting up the idea that Sarah is going to leave John for one reason or another. I doubt it'll be because she thinks John's life in general is safer without her, though. I'd expect there to be some immediate threat that makes it dangerous to be near John. If Sarah is a known fugitive again and John isn't, that would make her a target of cops, Feds and possibly terminators. And while all of those forces might make the logical assumption that if Sarah's alive then John is too, their best chance of finding him is to find her — you know how those machines like to try to get Sarah to call to John ;D
So if Sarah goes running off to put some distance between herself and John, that leaves Cameron as the betrayer. Maybe she glitches again after getting electrocuted and goes after him again. But that wouldn't exactly be a betrayal since it's a glitch, so there has to be something else. Right now I'm leaning towards the fake kill switch idea. I've gone back and forth on that but it's the only thing that's already set up in the story that could easily become a moment of betrayal. John goes to press it for whatever reason (I have no guesses on why) and it doesn't go off. I also have no guesses on what would happen afterwards, but I can't imagine it would be good *gulp*
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Post by wb5 on Mar 18, 2009 5:28:48 GMT -5
It seems unlikely the writers would, basically, repeat "Samson & Delilah" so I doubt Cameron would attempt to kill John - again. The kill switch is a possibility, but why would she do that? She could just have not given him the switch if she didn't want him to have it, and she already knows how loyal he is to her as he didn't burn her when he had the chance (and plenty of good reasons to do so).
Summer did say in one of the more recent interviews that Cameron was "a beautiful character", the same interview where she said the finale left her shocked and a bit sad. Makes me really wonder what form Camerons' likely betrayal will take. I suspect she may start to see herself as a liability to John (much like we suspect Sarah will, but for different reasons, related to Jesse and/or her glitches) and she will end up creating (emotional and physical) distance between them on purpose.
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Post by t101 on Mar 18, 2009 12:54:44 GMT -5
I have a strange feeling that in an ironic twist Cameron will think that Jesse's agenda is correct and that her presence is not good for John. She will 'betray' him to make him hate her.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 18, 2009 13:16:19 GMT -5
Cameron may consider that her presence has caused a schism between John and Sarah, between John and Derek, between John and the resistance. And she did say that "John's emotional ties are the problem" (I disagree, but...). So yes, she could end up wanting him to stop caring about her.
Such a scenario could explain the reaction of Summer Glau to the finale.
But what would she do afterwards, then? Presumably still attempting to protect him, from a respectable distance. Or take her own iniatives against Skynet, like in "Self made man"? Would she want to work with Derek, assuming Derek is also left out of the loop, as far as John Connor's hiding place goes?
I do think that if there will be a S3, neither Sarah nor Cameron will stay separated from John for very long.
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Post by t101 on Mar 18, 2009 13:20:36 GMT -5
It would be pretty silly to throw those relationships out the window.
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Question: Can you please give me some good news about The Sarah Connor Chronicles. --D'rick
Ausiello: I'm hearing rumblings that a major male character will be killed in the season (series?) finale. Also, one of the women in John's life will leave him. Another will betray him.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 1, 2009 14:21:42 GMT -5
Remember when they said John would meet his Father in the back nine? Does anyone else think that idea has been scrapped?
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Post by thecolours on Apr 1, 2009 22:36:18 GMT -5
Remember when they said John would meet his Father in the back nine? Does anyone else think that idea has been scrapped? Thomas said "yes and no." So, it's possible he was referring to Charlie, who's like a father to him, but not his paternal dad.
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