t101
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Post by t101 on Jun 1, 2008 8:40:04 GMT -5
If everyone acted out of concrete logic we'd be bored to tears. I don't think you need to repeat yourself, everyone gets it, emotional attachments can be dangerous given their situation. And IMO they are also inevitable. Sarah let herself get attached to Charlie and was in a relationship with him for some time.
John is a young guy who clearly craves to experience a 'normal' life as much as possible. I think we are bound to see some kind of romantic plot for him.
Exactly.
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Post by vicheron on Jun 1, 2008 16:44:05 GMT -5
At least when Sarah was with Charlie, they had been safe for several years, and that relationship still ended badly.
I don't expect the characters to be logical all the time, especially in making short term decisions. However, I do expect them to use logic to carefully weight the risks and benefits when making long term plans, which they are doing. They know that it's very risky to put John in school in the first place but John needs experience with social situations in order to become an effective leader. They know that it's very risky to stay in one place after learning that Cromartie is still alive but they're deciding to stay and fight because they have an opportunity to gain the upper hand. Of course John can't be thinking logically when he flirts with a girl but he will have to do so when he decides to enter into a long term relationship.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 2, 2008 19:52:09 GMT -5
Technically, that relationship isn't over due to John's involvement. Sarah has tried to get him at a distance, but matters have put the situation in different hands.
John's still learning and it would be pointless for him to live without human experiences. Especially still being tied into the world, that he is. Yes, he's making a difference but the catch is he can't fully neglect one world, without having the other in play.
At this point, we don't know even if its going to be a long term relationship. Only time will tell on that one.
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Post by terminatornerd on Jun 11, 2008 11:05:12 GMT -5
They may play around with a human girlfriend for John (the mysterious "Becky?"), but I still think that a regular human-human relationship is so boring and has been done to death, especially given the Terminator world we're dealing with.
John is a unique individual, is hyper interested in techology, is starting to understand their crazy lifestyle will constantly put pressure and danger on anyone he gets close to. It would take super-human strength of will to stick with him.
So? Why not Cameron? An evolved, sentient machine learning to find a heart (like the Tin-Man), who may already have some latent feelings for John (and as the cast interviews seem to point to some "love" already in place).
So many intriguing possibilities (like Dekker was mentioning) with this. And a machine-human combo with love and friendship. In many ways it can explore man's relationship with machine and the machine exploring just how far they can evolve in their interactions with humans.
This could help destroy Skynet. If a man and a machine can find common ground with mutual respect and love, then Skynet could be rendered toothless or irrelevant. Cameron paves that way. She's moved beyond Skynet. The creation is more advanced that the creator. Andy sounded like Skynet was in need of something as it became aware and he didn't know how to comfort it. Could those missing parts be empathy, value for life, compassion, and love?
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 11, 2008 16:51:13 GMT -5
It is possible, but that leaves more questions than answers in the long run.
They've got a similar discussion covering the whole John/Cameron relationship in a lot more detail at Terminator Files.
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Post by vicheron on Jun 11, 2008 20:59:31 GMT -5
Skynet is a military computer, programming it with compassion and love would hinder its function. However, we do know from Terminator 2 that Terminators can learn compassion. Skynet may already know about concepts like compassion and love through its study of humans. However, it is not the positive emotions that dominate the humanity's destiny. The very fact that humans built Skynet means that they can't be trusted.
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Post by Derek Reese on Jun 30, 2008 20:55:38 GMT -5
There's still questionable room for intrepretation. It maybe more gray than black and white.
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