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Post by cyadon on Jan 19, 2009 16:50:19 GMT -5
All right, I finally caved and watched it. Oh, Hell - it's all fun and games until AG reads the spoilers. It my be a reaction of some sort. Think she's allergic to them? *ba-dum-tish!*
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Post by hobs202 on Jan 19, 2009 16:50:39 GMT -5
So... are we pretty much calling BS on all of this?
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jan 19, 2009 16:58:03 GMT -5
I'm all for a Major Shake up and I would 100 percent be back for a Season 3.
I only wish they had called the Show "TheConnor Chronicles" from the start.
Then folks wouldn't be having such a insanely huge issue with some of this.
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Post by k8ie on Jan 19, 2009 17:00:22 GMT -5
It my be a reaction of some sort. Think she's allergic to them? *ba-dum-tish!* Well, it's definitely a reaction. Then again, so is Nuclear Fission and look where that got us. Maybe I can hide? Depends who you ask, Hobs. The consensus of the Mod Team is... we have no idea. And some of us would never have watched - double-edged sword that.
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Post by jeck on Jan 19, 2009 17:14:07 GMT -5
So... are we pretty much calling BS on all of this? I'd take it all with a grain of salt. Misdirection? Maybe? It's not like they haven't done it before.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Jan 19, 2009 17:18:57 GMT -5
I don't know why it's so hard to believe. Personally, I don't think it's all true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I mean, let's face it, as great as the show is, the ratings really aren't in the shows favor and by letting these major spoilers out more people will be inclined to watch it. Look how close I came to not watching this show anymore... there's pleanty others out there who feel/or felt the same way and these type of spoilers would draw them back in. I think this is one of those times where letting out huge spoilers like this wouldn't hurt the show's viewership, but help it.
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Post by t101 on Jan 19, 2009 17:55:59 GMT -5
This WAY too many spoilers to simply give away...
If Cameron dies or becomes a permanent antagonist, I'm done with the show. To be honest I don't really care about John. I have a sneaky suspicion they'll take his tantrums to their logical conclusion, he'll finally piss everyone off enough that they'll leave him be.
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Post by metroid13 on Jan 19, 2009 18:54:25 GMT -5
Misdirection would actually make sense; they've done it before, after all.
Also, nice work to the gal's at Dekker_daily. Ultimate T:SCC whistleblowers, mostly cause Thomas never stops yapping. =)
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Post by allergygal on Jan 19, 2009 19:09:31 GMT -5
This didn't come across as foilery, so I don't think any of it is untrue. But I do think Thomas blabbed more than he was supposed to. Charley dying and John taking down Jesse are straight up spoilers and I can't imagine Josh wanting that info out. Anyway: WILD SPECULATION AHEAD!Of Sarah, Cameron and Riley, one betrays John, one leaves and one diesI don't see Cameron dying since we already had the (not really a) cliffhanger in which she blew up and we've also already had the drama of her chip being removed and put back in. So I'd scratch her off as NOT the death. Riley is an obvious choice because she's mixed up with Jesse's evil plot and she's already tried to kill herself once. If we remember Sarah's words from the Turk — "John, people who want to take their own lives? This Girl? If they're serious about it, they'll find a way." — It kind of seems like foreshadowing even though the character of Riley wasn't even conceived back then. So maybe she'll try again and succeed or maybe she'll just end up dead from evil Jesse plot. But because Riley really is the obvious choice, I really don't think it's her... Could Sarah be the one who dies? Turk at some point said something to the effect that it'll be obvious by the end of this season that Sarah is central to the story. We already know Sarah was intentionally jumped over her 2005 death to fight because future!John said she's the best fighter. And we're now (many of us) speculating that Jesse's "keep her away from him" actually meant for Riley to keep Sarah away from John. We know that John leads the resistance, but I believe there's something very important that Sarah does between now and then — something Cameron is there to ensure sure she does do and something Jesse is there to make sure she doesn't do. Whatever it is, I'll bet it's got something to do with her 3 dot quest — the development of terminators and HKs with that "alien" alloy. I know it doesn't all fit yet, but I think it will as the season goes on. And because of all that, I think Sarah will be the one to die. Why? Because her death messes up everything. Whatever this critical thing is she needs to do for John to be able to lead the resistance won't get done unless she's there. And Jesse would have succeed. So, how do you get Sarah Connor back after she's dead? You jump to the past and bring her forward — time travel shenanigans. Although I'm already rolling my eyes at the possibility that the bank vault engineer made a second time machine ("why have one when you can have two for twice the price?" ), but I don't see any alternative if Sarah is the one to die. I think Riley will be the betrayer. At the moment she's so tortured about what she's supposed to do, but I really think future orphan girl brought to the past by evil Jesse to do her bidding would have a lame ending if she simply told John the truth. I think it's more likely that she'll try to confront Jesse but fall victim to her manipulations once more and do something that gets Sarah killed. You think John was messed up before? Wait until girlfriend that mom didn't want him to have causes mom's death! And then Cameron will leave to time-jump-the-shark and bring Sarah back again (I guess that means there has to be a 3rd time machine - oh heck, why not?). I think it would be mighty fine if she gets Sarah from earlier point in 1999 and Charley comes along with them . The only dilemma I see (aside from the ridiculousness of it all) is what to do about 1999 John if 1999 Sarah leaves. Eh, minor detail John takes down JesseThomas implied that John kills her, but he didn't say that — he said he takes her down. So that could mean that he ruins her plan or it could mean he kills her. Either way, I'm not surprised that Johns the one to put a stop to her (I'd already called John figuring out Jesse's plot anyway ;D), I'm only surprised they'd spoil the conclusion of a season-long arc. Charley diesThis wouldn't have shocked me at the beginning of the season, but happening this far into it was unexpected. Why put him through the whole thing with Michelle? Why leave town? Why throw the Bible? Why any of that if he just ends up DED? I'll be extremely disappointed if there's not a major story leading to his death. He will have seemed pointless otherwise. Saving Derek? Contrived. Being the link between Ellison and Sarah? Wasn't needed - Ellison figured it out on his own. Causing angst for Sarah and John? They already felt it before seeing him again in 2007. Charley needs some significance before he goes otherwise I won't even mourn his loss. He's already been gone too long to matter.
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Post by potomac79 on Jan 19, 2009 19:20:49 GMT -5
Ya know... it wouldn't be too off base for John to petulantly head off on his own, or be left to his own devices, after some nonsense. Riley dying wouldn't be much of a shake-up. Either Sarah or Cameron could easily betray him by revealing some secret he didn't want told, but which was important to have out for the sake of the mission. And both Cameron and Sarah (but more likely Cameron, I think) could leave him because he could "no longer be trusted." Story-wise, it's really not that difficult to make work and be more-or-less acceptable.
I think offing either Sarah or Cam would result in a net loss of viewers and would not be something the suits would go with. Having season 3 be a search for John, trying to get him back in the fold while he does his David Banner thing, traveling about helping the helpless would certainly be a different twist on the mythos.
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Post by schmacky on Jan 19, 2009 19:30:33 GMT -5
Maybe the 3 women with 3 endings is actually a simple one but we're all just thinking it can't be simple because that would be obvious. But, sometimes, the obvious choice is the best one.
Like.. Riley is the death. It's obvious but it's best suited for her to die. Either Jesse kills her, John or someone from the Connor Crew does, she gets killed in the crossfire or she just takes her own life. It's obvious, yeah, but I think that's it.
The betrayal.. it really could be either Cameron or Sarah. Sarah it would have to be an accidental betrayal because no way would she knowingly betray her son. I think it's Cameron though and I don't just mean her going bad again and trying to kill him. She has a purpose and a mission that NO ONE knows about but her. We only know part of her mission and that is to protect John.
Leaving him.. again, it could either be Sarah or Cameron. But, I think it's Sarah. I don't think she is going to turn her back on him, but perhaps now that they're going to get closer to J-Day they have a lot of work to do and maybe the best way to do that is split up. So, maybe Sarah has to leave to get something done but that also helps John because he's got to learn to stand on his own two feet (and Sarah does too).
I don't know. Just throwing things out there. But what I do know is that if they kill the title character off after 2 seasons that just... sucks.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Jan 19, 2009 19:51:47 GMT -5
Is killing off Sarah really that illogical, though? I mean, isn't this show only supposed to last about 4 seasons anyway?
I may be wrong about that, but I swear I seen it somewhere that Josh only wanted this show to last about 75 episodes.
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Post by cyadon on Jan 19, 2009 19:53:12 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I agree with you Allergygal. I think Sarah dies.
I think the giveaway is when Thomas says 'lenageek, prepare yourself'. I think he's trying to steel one of the uber-Lena fans.
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Post by schmacky on Jan 19, 2009 19:53:36 GMT -5
Is killing off Sarah really that illogical, though? I mean, isn't this show only supposed to last about 4 seasons anyway? I may be wrong about that, but I swear I seen it somewhere that Josh only wanted this show to last about 75 episodes. Yeah, I heard that too. But still, it's only at season 2. So, why call a show the Sarah Connor Chronicles when Sarah Connor dies mid-series? How does that make any sense? edit: They could just be trying to freak us the hell out and that will create buzz. "Will Sarah Connor die in the Sarah Connor Chronicles?" is a lot more dramatic and creates more buzz than "Riley Whats-Her-Name dies on the Sarah Connor Chronicles!"
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Post by rossbondreturns on Jan 19, 2009 19:58:50 GMT -5
It doesn't but nor was it his first choice as title.
Which was something more encompassing of the whole clan but eludes me.
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