Post by richardstevenhack on Jan 27, 2009 21:35:31 GMT -5
The problem with them all getting back together again in S3 is Tom's "all new show" comment. That implies the changes may be more or less permanent.
Which again presents the problem, how do you keep all the characters separated and still maintain a coherent plot line?
I could just see Sarah coming over to Jesse's side on Cameron and the three of them - Sarah, Derek and Jesse - uniting against Cameron. But based on Jesse's say-so alone? I can see Derek doing that because he hates and fears Cameron and loves Jesse. And Sarah doesn't like John's response to Cameron, either. But I find it hard to buy that Sarah joins Derek and Jesse after Derek lied to her about the whole thing, not to mention Jesse using Riley against John, which should also tick off Sarah.
So Sarah going against Cameron? Based on what besides Jesse's plot? Sarah's put up with Cameron for quite some time now.
John isn't prepared to send Cameron away based on Riley's suicide attempt because Cameron had little to nothing to do with that. Plus John is supposed to find out what it's all about which implies Riley is on the outs, not Cameron. So Riley betrays John, that's clear enough. But what has Cameron done wrong? Or Sarah?
Would Cameron leave on her own? Possible, but unlikely - and not permanently. The big problem there again is it can't be permanent because again, you take Summer Glau off the show, the show is dead in the water. And if you KEEP her in the show but separate, you have two totally separate plot lines that are going to be hard to converge. We can see the Ellison-Weaver plot line converging eventually into the Connor plot line. But if you have to keep Cameron or anyone else separate, it's a problem.
This is the basic problem with the entire scenario Tom laid out. Either you get rid of the people playing those parts - and of those three, only Riley is really expendable in terms of the show itself - or the whole thing has to be temporary, because you can't run that many different plot lines without fragmenting the show - which contradicts his "whole new show" statement.
It's fundamentally not workable either way.
By the way, anybody heard any explanation for why Dekker Daily is down? As in, maybe it's a ruse to keep people from questioning whether the spoilers are even true?
I'm beginning to think this whole business is just to keep the fans and spoiler boards buzzing for the next couple weeks until the show returns.
According to a post at the Fox wiki, the Dekker video was pulled because Fox was concerned that the rumors it started were spreading too fast. And I'd say maybe too negatively.
Perhaps what Tom said was the plan - but once the reaction sets in, the plan may be revised.
I've just watched those two videos again over at io9.com. What interests me is that Tom first of all is clearly somewhat drunk if not completely smashed. He's coherent.
More importantly, when he says John will fight Resistance fighters from the future who "are trying to take him down" - that's very interesting. He explicitly says that John is fighting the Resistance faction, presumably Jesse's faction, that doesn't want him in charge at all. I raised that possibility a while back as the possibility that Jesse's antipathy against Cameron was merely a cover story for a faction of the Resistance that wants to replace John as the leader.
I can't see Cameron ever "betraying" John in any sense that makes sense. Maybe she does something which in some sense HE thinks is a "betrayal", but which might make sense to me based on what I think her agenda is. So again, I think the only "betrayal" involved is Riley's.
Tom also said explicitly that Riley, Cameron and Sarah "are on their own and he is on his own." That very much implies precisely multiple plot lines, but nobody leaving the show (except presumably whoever dies, which again is most likely Riley.)
I like the way this guy explains it all in the Terminator wiki:
Which again presents the problem, how do you keep all the characters separated and still maintain a coherent plot line?
I could just see Sarah coming over to Jesse's side on Cameron and the three of them - Sarah, Derek and Jesse - uniting against Cameron. But based on Jesse's say-so alone? I can see Derek doing that because he hates and fears Cameron and loves Jesse. And Sarah doesn't like John's response to Cameron, either. But I find it hard to buy that Sarah joins Derek and Jesse after Derek lied to her about the whole thing, not to mention Jesse using Riley against John, which should also tick off Sarah.
So Sarah going against Cameron? Based on what besides Jesse's plot? Sarah's put up with Cameron for quite some time now.
John isn't prepared to send Cameron away based on Riley's suicide attempt because Cameron had little to nothing to do with that. Plus John is supposed to find out what it's all about which implies Riley is on the outs, not Cameron. So Riley betrays John, that's clear enough. But what has Cameron done wrong? Or Sarah?
Would Cameron leave on her own? Possible, but unlikely - and not permanently. The big problem there again is it can't be permanent because again, you take Summer Glau off the show, the show is dead in the water. And if you KEEP her in the show but separate, you have two totally separate plot lines that are going to be hard to converge. We can see the Ellison-Weaver plot line converging eventually into the Connor plot line. But if you have to keep Cameron or anyone else separate, it's a problem.
This is the basic problem with the entire scenario Tom laid out. Either you get rid of the people playing those parts - and of those three, only Riley is really expendable in terms of the show itself - or the whole thing has to be temporary, because you can't run that many different plot lines without fragmenting the show - which contradicts his "whole new show" statement.
It's fundamentally not workable either way.
By the way, anybody heard any explanation for why Dekker Daily is down? As in, maybe it's a ruse to keep people from questioning whether the spoilers are even true?
I'm beginning to think this whole business is just to keep the fans and spoiler boards buzzing for the next couple weeks until the show returns.
According to a post at the Fox wiki, the Dekker video was pulled because Fox was concerned that the rumors it started were spreading too fast. And I'd say maybe too negatively.
Perhaps what Tom said was the plan - but once the reaction sets in, the plan may be revised.
I've just watched those two videos again over at io9.com. What interests me is that Tom first of all is clearly somewhat drunk if not completely smashed. He's coherent.
More importantly, when he says John will fight Resistance fighters from the future who "are trying to take him down" - that's very interesting. He explicitly says that John is fighting the Resistance faction, presumably Jesse's faction, that doesn't want him in charge at all. I raised that possibility a while back as the possibility that Jesse's antipathy against Cameron was merely a cover story for a faction of the Resistance that wants to replace John as the leader.
I can't see Cameron ever "betraying" John in any sense that makes sense. Maybe she does something which in some sense HE thinks is a "betrayal", but which might make sense to me based on what I think her agenda is. So again, I think the only "betrayal" involved is Riley's.
Tom also said explicitly that Riley, Cameron and Sarah "are on their own and he is on his own." That very much implies precisely multiple plot lines, but nobody leaving the show (except presumably whoever dies, which again is most likely Riley.)
I like the way this guy explains it all in the Terminator wiki:
Here's how I think it went down:
Josh: Hey, Dekker!
Thomas: Yeah, boss?
Josh: We need ratings and I've got just the plan.
Thomas: I'm all ears!
Josh: Get wasted off your ass and say this. (hands TD a napkin with spoiler scribbled on it)
Thomas: Uh, I don't know...
Josh: I'll let you kiss Summer. In the 4th season!
Thomas: Where's the booze?