Alexis
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Post by Alexis on Feb 18, 2009 9:31:12 GMT -5
It certainly seems like Catherine Weaver is trying to start Skynet with John Henry. But what still complicates it is why she brought in Sherman and then Ellison. If she's just planning to create a super AI computer that can destroy mankind, then why bother with the moral and ethical guidance? So I sort of agree with the rogue metal idea except I don't think there's actually a faction. If there was, then why wouldn't Catherine have brought a terminator back with her instead of hoping to get her hands on one when she got here? I think Catherine is a lone rebel. She didn't like how Skynet was running things so she sent herself back in time to kick start the super AI her way. What her way is, I'm not sure yet, but it seems to involve raising machines to be a superior versions of humans. Maybe she's aiming for a metal utopia where machines have free will and ethics instead of rigid programming. Excellent!! I like your idea of Catherine being "a lone rebel". I'm starting to think that everything she said could have a double sense. For example: When she was referring to the machines that can "cross against the light" - I believe she might have been referring not only to her pet project but herself as a rebel. I think Weaver is trying to build Skynet with John Henry and the reason she brought in Sherman and then Ellison to teach the morals and beliefs and everything is make Skynet more efficient. In order for Skynet to completely wipe out humanity and do so quicker than it did in the past (future), it needs to know it's enemy in and out. Just like Uncle Bob had detailed files on human anatomy to make it a more efficient killer, I think Weaver is doing the same thing but psychologically/spiritually/morally/whatever. Ok, Occam's Razor principle. As I said on my first post, that sound like the obvious explanation. But, what if the simple explanations didn't apply here? We shouldn't forget that this is not exactly a show about the obvious - Remember that most of the fans were at least slightly surprised when they found out about the Riley-Jesse connection.
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Post by schmacky on Feb 18, 2009 13:09:09 GMT -5
It certainly seems like Catherine Weaver is trying to start Skynet with John Henry. But what still complicates it is why she brought in Sherman and then Ellison. If she's just planning to create a super AI computer that can destroy mankind, then why bother with the moral and ethical guidance? So I sort of agree with the rogue metal idea except I don't think there's actually a faction. If there was, then why wouldn't Catherine have brought a terminator back with her instead of hoping to get her hands on one when she got here? I think Catherine is a lone rebel. She didn't like how Skynet was running things so she sent herself back in time to kick start the super AI her way. What her way is, I'm not sure yet, but it seems to involve raising machines to be a superior versions of humans. Maybe she's aiming for a metal utopia where machines have free will and ethics instead of rigid programming. Excellent!! I like your idea of Catherine being "a lone rebel". I'm starting to think that everything she said could have a double sense. For example: When she was referring to the machines that can "cross against the light" - I believe she might have been referring not only to her pet project but herself as a rebel. I think Weaver is trying to build Skynet with John Henry and the reason she brought in Sherman and then Ellison to teach the morals and beliefs and everything is make Skynet more efficient. In order for Skynet to completely wipe out humanity and do so quicker than it did in the past (future), it needs to know it's enemy in and out. Just like Uncle Bob had detailed files on human anatomy to make it a more efficient killer, I think Weaver is doing the same thing but psychologically/spiritually/morally/whatever. Ok, Occam's Razor principle. As I said on my first post, that sound like the obvious explanation. But, what if the simple explanations didn't apply here? We shouldn't forget that this is not exactly a show about the obvious - Remember that most of the fans were at least slightly surprised when they found out about the Riley-Jesse connection. I don't disagree with allergygal's thinking on Weaver. Actually I think merging those two ideas would make a lot of sense. I agree with you that when she talked about crossing the light she was talking about herself. The SCC trailer I did, I put that quote to the visual of CW morphing outta the bathroom to sort of represent that. I still think CW is wanting to build Skynet but she's not with Skynet right now. She just wants to build a better Skynet. Maybe that's why the real Skynet sent a Termie after Ellison.. to get in on Weaver's plan and all.
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Post by wb5 on Feb 18, 2009 14:04:49 GMT -5
I always wonder about the morality issue though, Weaver always seems strangely intent on it, which jars with her more traditional slice 'n' dice method of dealing with problems. At times her intentions with JH seem honourable and then she goes and decimates a factory full of humans. But the same could be said about Cameron, allthough her violence is on a smaller scale. Her goal seems to be very honorable (protecting John, stopping Skynet), at times she seems like family pet, but then she kills 3 guys in cold blood, or just lets her ballet teacher coldly die. It's the nature of Terminators, I suppose. Even Cameron at best only has the most vague form of a conscience (though she may be coming about).
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Post by allergygal on Feb 18, 2009 14:15:06 GMT -5
I still think CW is wanting to build Skynet but she's not with Skynet right now. She just wants to build a better Skynet. Maybe that's why the real Skynet sent a Termie after Ellison.. to get in on Weaver's plan and all. Yes. The Ellison terminator was really the first thing that convinced me Catherine couldn't be just building Skynet as we know it. If she was, Skynet wouldn't be trying to kill off her unwitting assistant and replace him with a machine.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 18, 2009 15:15:18 GMT -5
Yes. The Ellison terminator was really the first thing that convinced me Catherine couldn't be just building Skynet as we know it. If she was, Skynet wouldn't be trying to kill off her unwitting assistant and replace him with a machine. But Weaver doesn't know how what the reprecussions of her actions are in the future - she doesn't know that Sarah and John Connor are still alive. Much less that Ellison knows. Ellison is a link between the Connors and The Turk. What better way to protect itself? Weaver is certainly not building Skynet as we know it. I think she's trying to build a better Skynet. A Skynet capable of completely destroying humanity on Judgement Day, perhaps...
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Post by vicheron on Feb 21, 2009 22:34:21 GMT -5
Or she's building a Skynet that's not going to destroy humanity through a massive devastating war. Maybe she's building a Skynet that will be integrated into human society that slowly takes over and eventually sterilizes the human population.
Originally Skynet was created to protect the United States but they tried to pull the plug after it became self aware. If Skynet is already self aware and has an understanding of human psychology and motivations when the military puts it in charge of everything then it could fool everyone into thinking that it's not a threat. It'll do its job with perfect precision, making no mistakes, and the government will rely upon it more and more. Eventually, Skynet would be in control of so much the infrastructure that it can realize its goal of annihilating the human race without a messy war.
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Post by chrisimo on Apr 2, 2009 12:54:48 GMT -5
Or she's building a Skynet that's not going to destroy humanity through a massive devastating war. Maybe she's building a Skynet that will be integrated into human society that slowly takes over and eventually sterilizes the human population. Originally Skynet was created to protect the United States but they tried to pull the plug after it became self aware. If Skynet is already self aware and has an understanding of human psychology and motivations when the military puts it in charge of everything then it could fool everyone into thinking that it's not a threat. It'll do its job with perfect precision, making no mistakes, and the government will rely upon it more and more. Eventually, Skynet would be in control of so much the infrastructure that it can realize its goal of annihilating the human race without a messy war. But that would be a rather risky game. She can shut JH down at the moment but would that be possible in the future? She doesn't seem to have control over JH's thoughts so how does it help teaching him human ethics? In the end, he may decide to destory her instead of humanity.
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Post by Alexis on Apr 12, 2009 22:36:34 GMT -5
2 - Less obvious, but also possible: This is a Coltan deposit, presumably run by greys, who work for Skynet, right? And what if Weaver wouldn’t be working for Skynet? What if she was one of those machines that the TOK-715, later known as Cameron, mentioned before killing Alison? What if Weaver was one of those machines that want peace between humans and cyborgs and she’s trying to change the future by modifying Skynet’s development? And what if what the TOK-715 said to Alison was a stratagem of lies mixed with something that’s actually true and this faction of terminators who want peace really exists? That would definitely be an unexpected twist I'm scared of myself. Next time I'll give a try with the lottery numbers. ;D
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Apr 16, 2009 20:06:05 GMT -5
Gray sound an awful lot like Grey
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