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Post by allergygal on Sept 2, 2009 0:13:03 GMT -5
You guys all read the interview TheTVAddict did with Thomas Dekker, right? So there's your motivation to keep up the fight for more TSCC in case you've grown weary (but The Resistance never grows weary!). Anyway, I mention it here in the spoilers area because of the hints he dropped about what was going to happen in s3: t was going to be really interesting because there were questions in the future like is Sarah Connor at the age she would be in the future or is she already dead? I know which one that is, and it was the more interesting of the two to me. Plus what is she doing in the past? Also my sort of relationship with Allison and finding Cameron would play a large part in the season, do I go with the robot I know or do I go with the human that doesn’t know me? The fact that Danny Dyson became a very important part of it was also very exciting because it harkened back directly to the second film. Cool stuff. Danny Dyson being a major player doesn't surprise me. John being torn between Allison and Cameron doesn't surprise me — and once they went down the human/robot path, I think that needed to happen. But the Sarah tidbit... that actually did surprise me. Sarah being dead isn't exactly interesting, so I take that quote to mean that she's alive in the future. Having lived through judgement day and on into the time when John jumped to. Yay. Sarah fan that I am, this pleases me to no end. I've never subscribed to the notion that Sarah has to die on or before j-day in order for any of the story we'd always heard about future!John to take place. And with this being a strange new world, I'd subscribe to that notion even less. I figure her apparent cancer was either a lie by Cameron to keep Sarah distracted so she (Cameron) could have a greater influence over John, or Sarah's cancer would be leukemia that would get cured by a transfusion of terminator blood. Either way, I wasn't about to write off Sarah Connor. I was always afraid, though, that the show was — that the fourth season would end in her death. I have more hope now that maybe it won't. So if Sarah's alive in the future that John jumped to, the big question is what's she doing? I think it would be pretty cool if she was running the resistance in this future. It seems like the thing Sarah might do. She'd have every reason to believe mankind was doomed without John Connor, so she might very well try to do what he isn't there to do — get the resistance going. Or maybe she pushed Kyle to lead the charge. Something. I think she'd try to do what John's not there to do. Whatever the story is, I know this much: I really want t see it. Can I have a DVD movie now please? |
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Post by schmacky on Sept 3, 2009 2:17:53 GMT -5
You know, if the show went 4 seasons I can still see it ending in her death. In a Johnless future, Sarah might survive well past J-Day. But when this young John jumps back into his own time... well, I think Sarah would end up dying for John. Taking a bullet for him, whatever. She would die to protect him.. and the reason she was alive in the Johnless future is because... well, he wasn't there and she survived.
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Post by littleb on Sept 3, 2009 3:01:47 GMT -5
Cool stuff. Danny Dyson being a major player doesn't surprise me. John being torn between Allison and Cameron doesn't surprise me — and once they went down the human/robot path, I think that needed to happen. The threads for a new season were all neatly planted throughout Born to Run. Danny Dyson was an obvious lead for Sarah to be chasing down in the present, right after she slapped Ellison upside the head and left him in the debris... Allison and Cameron, yeah, making a distinction between the human and the machine would have been a good way to go and it would have been very interesting to see which side of the fence John ended up sitting on. But the Sarah tidbit... that actually did surprise me. Sarah being dead isn't exactly interesting, so I take that quote to mean that she's alive in the future. Having lived through judgement day and on into the time when John jumped to. Yay. I never considered that either, but it's become kind of a given having read indie's fic! One caveat to that - recasting or aging make-up... the latter never ends well... I think they were going down the lines of making her sick - I suspect that was always something Josh wanted to explore given his own history - but I don't see why she has to die either. The whole ethos of the show is changing the shape of the future and they obviously intended to take the franchise in a new direction (Sarah's direction!) so making her death inevitable seems to run against that whole vibe. I can totally see her creating the resistance and running it. If John changed his own fate by jumping into a different timeline and she survived to see J-Day through then she'd probably see herself as humanity's best hope. She has the knowledge and training and insight into the machines, she has the right "Kill 'em all" type attitude. I guess the only thing she might lack is um... people skills. She's not right gifted when it comes to communication sometimes  Which I guess is where John and she differ (or were supposed to differ - the show was still working on that aspect of John I think.) On the other hand, she might have taken herself away from it all and given up, or be the crazy one sitting in the corner mumbling about hacking chips. I don't think I'd particularly like to see that, but it would be interesting as an angle on her character. The war didn't break her, but maybe losing her son and then stopping the war from happening was the last straw. Hey, if it was up to me... |
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Post by allergygal on Sept 3, 2009 10:29:17 GMT -5
You know, if the show went 4 seasons I can still see it ending in her death. In a Johnless future, Sarah might survive well past J-Day. But when this young John jumps back into his own time... well, I think Sarah would end up dying for John. Taking a bullet for him, whatever. She would die to protect him.. and the reason she was alive in the Johnless future is because... well, he wasn't there and she survived. I'd expected the series might end with her death simply because that's such a popular view of what has to happen for John to lead the resistance. But I don't get that at all. Even in the story we've always known, there's no reason why she has to die for the traditional story to play out. One of the major elements of TSCC is John growing up and Sarah learning how to deal with that. And I think BTR established pretty well that John is making his own choices and Sarah is letting him. If she's willing to let him jump to an unknown future with liquid metal to chase down cyborg's chip, then I think it's clear, Sarah is not a hindrance to John standing on his own. I never considered that either, but it's become kind of a given having read indie's fic! One caveat to that - recasting or aging make-up... the latter never ends well... Yeah, indie's fic is the first thing I thought of too. Oh I think they could manage some decent aging make-up. I bet we wouldn't even see future!Sarah for a while anyway. There would probably just be hints at her (and she's probably not even using the name "Connor") until finally, a big reveal. And who's to say she ages all that much? If she does end up getting a terminator blood transfusion, maybe it slows down the normal aging process or something. ;D What I would hope, though, is that we would still be the split story of present and future. I think they were going down the lines of making her sick - I suspect that was always something Josh wanted to explore given his own history - but I don't see why she has to die either. The whole ethos of the show is changing the shape of the future and they obviously intended to take the franchise in a new direction (Sarah's direction!) so making her death inevitable seems to run against that whole vibe. I like the way you think I can totally see her creating the resistance and running it. If John changed his own fate by jumping into a different timeline and she survived to see J-Day through then she'd probably see herself as humanity's best hope. She has the knowledge and training and insight into the machines, she has the right "Kill 'em all" type attitude. I guess the only thing she might lack is um... people skills. She's not right gifted when it comes to communication sometimes Which I guess is where John and she differ (or were supposed to differ - the show was still working on that aspect of John I think.) LOL. Yeah, Sarah is sort of lacking in the people skills. So maybe it's more likely that she gets Kyle to form the resistance. Oh! She knows where young Derek and Kyle go after j-day — the tunnels under the city. She can go find them and help them and push them to form the resistance! They did seem to be in positions of authority in the future John landed in. Okay yeah, that's totally what happens. On the other hand, she might have taken herself away from it all and given up, or be the crazy one sitting in the corner mumbling about hacking chips. I don't think I'd particularly like to see that, but it would be interesting as an angle on her character. The war didn't break her, but maybe losing her son and then stopping the war from happening was the last straw. I could see her being that way for a short time after the John leaves, but ultimately, I think Sarah would suck it up and keep going. That's what she does. |
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Post by schmacky on Sept 3, 2009 10:40:00 GMT -5
I'd expected the series might end with her death simply because that's such a popular view of what has to happen for John to lead the resistance. But I don't get that at all. Even in the story we've always known, there's no reason why she has to die for the traditional story to play out. One of the major elements of TSCC is John growing up and Sarah learning how to deal with that. And I think BTR established pretty well that John is making his own choices and Sarah is letting him. If she's willing to let him jump to an unknown future with liquid metal to chase down cyborg's chip, then I think it's clear, Sarah is not a hindrance to John standing on his own. I'm not saying Sarah is a hindrance to John standing on his own and that's why she should die. I'm saying, I can see her show (story) ending with her death. And because they went to this alternate future where there is no John Connor, they could explore her going well past J-Day. But, with him there by her, there is always a constant threat not to just to his life - but to her's. And I could see the show ending with her death - dying for her son. But, personally, I would like her to live forever. Forever.  |
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Post by littleb on Sept 3, 2009 13:39:47 GMT -5
well, I think Sarah would end up dying for John. Taking a bullet for him, whatever. She would die to protect him.. and the reason she was alive in the Johnless future is because... well, he wasn't there and she survived. That's a really good point, the fact that having her son around her will probably be the death of her. There were so many episodes this season when Sarah stated "I'd die for my son" "I'd die first..." that I was starting to think that S2 would end with her death, never mind S4! I think Sarah accepts that as her potential fate, which is probably why dying of something like cancer horrifies her. She'd throw herself in front of a bullet for John in a heartbeat, but a lingering death from an illness is something that truly does scare her. I'd expected the series might end with her death simply because that's such a popular view of what has to happen for John to lead the resistance. But I don't get that at all. Even in the story we've always known, there's no reason why she has to die for the traditional story to play out. Probably a popular view amongst those who aren't as fond of Sarah is that she holds John back. Thing is though, she doesn't. He's as stubborn as she is which is why they butt heads so damn often. He's taking his own route regardless and it's leading him down the garden path. Maybe he should be listening to his mother a bit more, he jumped her over her death for a reason... If she's willing to let him jump to an unknown future with liquid metal to chase down cyborg's chip, then I think it's clear, Sarah is not a hindrance to John standing on his own. She's also the one standing in the present with the best chance of preventing J-Day. Maybe if we do get a continuation and we learn Sarah is alive in John's future, we'll find out from that Sarah exactly where our Sarah went wrong (cos J-Day happened so something went tits up) and then John can hop back and share what future Sarah told him... and possibly point her in the right direction for a convenient cancer cure also. Yeah, indie's fic is the first thing I thought of too. Hee. It's practically canon! Oh I think they could manage some decent aging make-up. I just remember an X-Files episode where the aging make-up was less than stellar and I spent the thing giggling when I should have been all weepy. Hmmm, although the Farscape ep that went the same way still makes me cry... If she does end up getting a terminator blood transfusion, maybe it slows down the normal aging process or something. ;D What I would hope, though, is that we would still be the split story of present and future. I think we'd have a split story. And yay for Terminator blood holding the sekrit for eternal youth! The whole ethos of the show is changing the shape of the future and they obviously intended to take the franchise in a new direction (Sarah's direction!) so making her death inevitable seems to run against that whole vibe. I like the way you think Yeah, we usually are singing from the same hymn-sheet (just badly and very out of tune!) The war didn't break her, but maybe losing her son and then stopping the war from happening was the last straw. I could see her being that way for a short time after the John leaves, but ultimately, I think Sarah would suck it up and keep going. That's what she does. I was playing debil's advocate with that thought, I'm not sure about it myself but it's an interesting track to take. Maybe the Reese boys can jump back and find her holed up in a fleapit motel somewhere with a bottle of whiskey... would be a novel view of the legend... OTOH, she didn't look broken at the end of the episode: "I'll stop it". I can see her just heading out and getting on with doing exactly that. |
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Post by Alexis on Sept 6, 2009 17:51:49 GMT -5
Dunno if you have already watched this video: We need, at least, that DVD movie!!  |
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Post by gulde on Sept 7, 2009 8:04:16 GMT -5
We will get that movie. That would be terrible mistake and waste of money, if WB wouldn't do at least one movie.
But I would be happy if it wouldn't be movie, but miniseries. But I would be SO HAPPY that my head would explode, if they would resurrect TSCC as a TV show again with thirds season.
A man can dream, though... a man can dream...
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Which I guess is where John and she differ (or were supposed to differ - the show was still working on that aspect of John I think.) 
