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Post by vicheron on Aug 26, 2008 10:11:13 GMT -5
If Kyle was kept alive to load bodies then he may have been a bit older since kids wouldn't be strong enough to do too much heavy lifting. It would be interesting if the reason why Kyle was captured was because Derek was too protective of him and he hadn't had enough experience with the world to escape the machines or perhaps Kyle, having reached adulthood desired more independence from Derek and ended up getting captured when he tried to strike it out on his own.
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Post by cyadon on Aug 26, 2008 10:27:59 GMT -5
Well, from what was said over the course of the series Kyle was lost in the tunnels with Derek being the one to get away. 'This is where I lost Kyle to the machines'. It implies both were there and only one got captured. I'm thinking Derek seemed to feel it was more a failure on his part that Kyle got captured. He said 'I lost Kyle', not that Kyle got caught.
Then we found that Kyle was imprisoned from 2015 to 2021 in Century City. That implies that he was caught in 2015 sometime, which is four years post Judgment Day. Kyle was 8 in 2011, so he was 12 when he was caught. 18 when he got out. 24 when he went back through time to 1984.
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Post by roseredscare on Aug 26, 2008 22:25:33 GMT -5
That was my conclusion as well.
This isn't the Winchesters we're talking about. There was a long time in his formative years Derek wasn't there for Kyle. Kyle was screwed up and war hardened much like Derek but without the big brother responsibility and guilt hanging over his head.
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Post by amelie on Sept 9, 2008 20:53:24 GMT -5
Derek is in the S2 opening credits!! *going crazy* GAH !!
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Post by richardstevenhack on Sept 14, 2008 5:37:57 GMT -5
"When he shot Sarkissian's thug in the alley, he didn't seem to concern himself with traumatizing a little girl or with John's head being inches away from where he was firing."
Actually, if you view that scene again, he did cover the girl's face before shooting the thug so she wouldn't see it happen. He also shot the thug in the right front forehead where the motor control is, so the thug wouldn't accidentally twitch and shoot John. I'm surprised that Derek would know that since presumably he's been fighting Terminators, not humans, and wouldn't be that familiar with human anatomy like police snipers who deal with hostage takers are.
Overall, I think Derek is a damaged personality compared to someone normal in our time, but considering what he's lived through in the future, I'd say he's pretty stable and controlled. I'm not sure he's all that concerned with "the Big Picture", however, and probably tends to react with a more "tactical" view of things rather than the "strategic" view that John Connor needs to keep in mind.
This is why he'd rather John get rid of Cameron, in addition to his personal hate of Terminators and his dislike of the notion of using them on the Resistance side, whereas John keeps reminding him that Cameron "saves my life". That IS the important side of the Cameron issue - she may be dangerous, but as long as she can be made to act as his protector, he really does need her. It's just not a good strategic move to give up an advantage as powerful as your own Terminator, regardless of the risks. In this respect, John is being less emotional and more rational than Derek.
Although John may also have a more emotional reason for wanting Cameron around - an issue he is going to have to deal with at some point. Personally I hope he deals with it by accepting it.
We really won't know all about Derek until we find out what the hell happened in that basement room, however. I hope we don't have to wait until next season - or never - for that explanation.
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Post by roseredscare on Sept 15, 2008 22:11:15 GMT -5
Did it come off as out of character to anyone else when Derek hesitated at the radiation room and went around. If it had been anyone else I wouldn't care but Derek has always been reckless with risks and his own life why would be whimp-out about a little radiation now? He's probably has already had a ton of exposure after J-Day, WTH?
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Post by vicheron on Sept 16, 2008 0:05:36 GMT -5
It wasn't just the radiation, Derek seemed to know something that Sarah didn't. He seemed pretty sure that the power plant couldn't be saved.
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Post by saskaia on Sept 16, 2008 11:40:10 GMT -5
If there's one thing we know about Derek it's that he loves his brother dearly. I think Derek lost a significant part of his humanity and will to live when his brother Kyle went missing. When that Terminator was attacking fighters in the bunker, he fearlessly egged it on to kill him and just finish things. After losing so much, it didn't matter to Derek anymore, he didn't have anything left to live for. Then John Connor sends him on this mission that could mean the end of Skynet, that could save everyone. And that's what Derek's life became, he became the mission because that was all that was left for him. But now he knows Kyle had a son and that he has a nephew, so there's now more than just a mission for him, there's potentially life with family again. John can now keep Derek grounded like Kyle probably once did. It goes well with what Sarah says to John in What He Beheld, "This is our life. If we stop caring about that, than we're lost." Derek was lost because all he had was the mission, now he might be able to live again. I think you've said this perfectly, and it sums up how I read Derek's character as well. I find him fascinating, possibly the most interesting on the show for me. I cannot wait to see how he develops this season now that we know that he knows that he has family again.
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Post by Derek Reese on Sept 17, 2008 12:58:04 GMT -5
Second that summary.
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Post by allergygal on Sept 17, 2008 14:57:51 GMT -5
Did it come off as out of character to anyone else when Derek hesitated at the radiation room and went around. If it had been anyone else I wouldn't care but Derek has always been reckless with risks and his own life why would be whimp-out about a little radiation now? He's probably has already had a ton of exposure after J-Day, WTH? I'd imagine Derek's seen people die from radiation sickness and seeing that radiation warning sign reminded him of the horror of it.
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Post by Erika on Sept 17, 2008 15:04:00 GMT -5
Did it come off as out of character to anyone else when Derek hesitated at the radiation room and went around. If it had been anyone else I wouldn't care but Derek has always been reckless with risks and his own life why would be whimp-out about a little radiation now? He's probably has already had a ton of exposure after J-Day, WTH? I don't see that as a wimp out - Sarah's barging into the room and Derek's hesitation show 2 things. 1) It shows that Sarah is losing it big time - she's so hell bent on getting her mission done and not failing that she'll do anything...even something that terrifies her and defies all logic and reason. 2) Derek is cautious. They were coming to help Cameron, he's willing to help out but he's not going to risk his life to save a machine. In that - I think it's 100% in character.
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Post by roseredscare on Sept 17, 2008 15:15:17 GMT -5
It wasn't saving the machine though, it was stopping the plant from melting down. The only one who could stop it was Cameron so they had top get the T-Greenway off her back so she could do it hence not only saving themselves but half the state as well. I think overall the plot was very mediocre in this episode.
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Post by Erika on Sept 17, 2008 15:45:01 GMT -5
Yeah well - there have to be things about Sarah that make her a legend. Her hell bent running through a room filled w/ toxic waste when even the most hardened resistance soldiers wouldn't do it - that's what makes Sarah...Sarah.
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Post by roseredscare on Sept 17, 2008 16:02:34 GMT -5
He was willing to get himself purposely shot and killed in Queen's Gambit to protect Sarah and John. Why would he hesitate at a little radiation?
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Post by k8ie on Sept 18, 2008 12:12:45 GMT -5
He was willing to get himself purposely shot and killed in Queen's Gambit to protect Sarah and John. Why would he hesitate at a little radiation? As AG said, you grow up in the middle of radioactive fallout, you're most likely to have one of two reactions to taking more rads - you're either not going to care or you're going to have a pathological fear. In D&D, we see Derek straining his water through cheese cloth, which as Kyle points out is a waste of time - they're living in the ruins of a nuked-out city - so it would seem that Derek's of the latter type. Kyle probably would have run in after Sarah (but Kyle would have run under a bus for Sarah). I think it's an interesting character beat - implying that Derek might have his own psychological Achilles heel but also that Derek, who's crazy, might now be saner than Sarah, who seems to be finally entering into the total meltdown that's been threatening since the pilot. I also like how these two characters can trade off the crazy - Sarah's approach is more cautious up to a point, but in the heat, she'll throw herself headfirst at a challenge and damn the consequences whereas Derek seems to be more likely to pull out and regroup. They've both spent the last 16, 17 years training, fighting, surviving but Sarah's never had anyone to fall back on whereas Derek's been part of an army - Sarah's First Recon and Derek's First Infantry (I've been reading Generation Kill ). Also, keep in mind Derek's just found the last bit of family he's got in John and Sarah (my pet theory is he wasn't 100 per cent about Sarah and Kyle and John's relationship until he saw John's face in the park) and he's transferring all the protective instincts he had about Kyle onto them - and part of watching out for John and Sarah means staying alive to watch out for them.
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