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Post by tupler on Apr 20, 2009 14:51:23 GMT -5
Season 2 ended in failure for the Connors. That brings up the question. Was the Connor's mission, to stop Skynet's development, doomed from the start? I've enjoyed the tv show. But things were simpler in the movies. Sarah's & John's mission was to run like heck and avoid getting Terminated. ;D The series ended with John in the future. An alliance with machines seeking peace may be the only way to stop the killing in the future. I doubt that J-Day can ever be avoided. Why would it be a failure when (if) they found a powerful ally that might prevent judgment day if the competing artificial intelligence was more powerful or more in numbers than skynet. I personally did not like the movies that much, this series being more complicated in the plot and character development has made it my favorite. Did not have high hopes for it, might well have been that I decided not to watch it at all as it had the "Terminator" name in it but was pleasantly surprised after watching the pilot episode and it got better from there. (Except some of the episodes in season two.)
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Post by vicheron on Apr 21, 2009 1:03:05 GMT -5
Season 2 ended in failure for the Connors. Two highly advanced AI projects were developed under Sarah's nose. Zeira Corp and Kaliba Group sailed along undetected until nearly the very end. We still know nothing about the Kaliba Group. Who runs it, how powerful is it. It's not the Connors fault. They never had a clearly defined protagonist to fight until Sarah nearly got killed at Desert Canyon Heat & Air. That brings up the question. Was the Connor's mission, to stop Skynet's development, doomed from the start? Robotic and AI research is conducted around the world in research Universities and private Corporations. If the robotic's lab at UC Berkeley makes a breakthrough, how is Sarah supposed to find out about it? Even if she finds out about it, is Sarah supposed to kill every kid working on his PHD in Artificial Intelligence? Bomb every robotics lab in every University? That's not morally acceptable to Sarah or the fans of TSCC. I've enjoyed the tv show. But things were simpler in the movies. Sarah's & John's mission was to run like heck and avoid getting Terminated. ;D She did go after Miles Dyson based on information from the future. But even then killing the guy with a sniper rifle wasn't an option. Neither was killing Andy Goode in the tv show. Burning the house and The Turk should have solved the problem. But, Andy simply built another one. I'm working on fan fiction and I wrestle with these issues with every story. Sarah's not a rabid terrorist. So, how does she stop someone? How does she find out about the people that developed Skynet? It's a tough nut to crack for any writer. The series ended with John in the future. An alliance with machines seeking peace may be the only way to stop the killing in the future. I doubt that J-Day can ever be avoided. There's to many people conducting research. Kill one and there's five more to take their place.
Season 3 may work better. There is a clear protagonist that Sarah can fight. The Kaliba Group is the big bad. They have advanced weapons like HK's. That's something tangible the writers can sink their teeth into. At least until Sarah blows it up. Then what? Hopefully by then we'll be in Season 5 and the show can end on a good note. The Connors will always fail if they simply try to stop the technology from being created. The true danger lies in how people use the technology. The leader of the Resistance can't stop Judgment Day, the only thing he can do is to fight the machines after they come. However, Senator John Connor might have a chance, he may be able to convince people to use the technology for benign purposes like Miles Dyson had wanted. Sarah understands this. She saw it in Uncle Bob. However, Sarah can't risk allowing the technology to be created in TSCC because of all the Terminators being sent back. As a consequence of Skynet's meddling, the decision of how to use the technology may be out of human hands.
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Post by allergygal on Apr 30, 2009 1:30:23 GMT -5
In 1490, the Spanish explorer, Cabeza Devaca, landed on the shores of the new world seeking power and fortune. He was immediately attacked and captured, almost all of his traveling companions murdered. Enslaved, Devaca chose to embrace his captors' beliefs and learn their ways. He became a healer. Over time he was freed and Devaca attracted his own following who believed he had the power over life and death. The desert had transformed him. He was not the first and he would not be the last. Sarah's been transformed by the desert and now she's free of having to protect John. Is she going to attract a following next? Maybe the priest? Ellison? Terissa?
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Post by Clyde Craft on May 1, 2009 18:35:04 GMT -5
One thing that really depressed me... even as Sarah told John she'd "stop it" in the finale, it struck me that even if by some snow ball's chance it hell she does pull it off, she'll have more or less killed her son cause she'll have destroyed the time line that he is residing in. Could Sarah even bring herself to do that? Am I just cracked? o.o
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Post by allergygal on May 2, 2009 16:47:54 GMT -5
One thing that really depressed me... even as Sarah told John she'd "stop it" in the finale, it struck me that even if by some snow ball's chance it hell she does pull it off, she'll have more or less killed her son cause she'll have destroyed the time line that he is residing in. Could Sarah even bring herself to do that? Am I just cracked? o.o Actually, she can't stop judgement day unless a time traveler from the future shows up. Right now, Sarah and John are in the same timeline — she's in his past and he's in her future. So that means whatever she does has already happened at John's end and we know it didn't stop judgement day. But if someone from the future jumps back, it'll cause a new timeline to emerge toward a unknown/unset future. Then she would once again have the chance to stop judgement day. If that happened, John's timeline wouldn't be destroyed, it would just no longer connect to where Sarah is. Then the only way to intersect with her again would be to jump back to the point he left from or before. But it really all depends on how they handle alternate timelines/futures on the show. If we're operating from a theory of multiple timelines, that's how I see it working, though. Sarah's story (while John's in the future) wouldn't be very interesting if we already know how it ends, so I expect Kyle to show up in 2009 and for the writers to find a way to make it all work.
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Post by k8ie on May 6, 2009 14:43:07 GMT -5
Dude, Kyle showing up in 2009 would rock.
It would also rock Sarah's world and force her to re-examine those two days. In a way, she's been fortunate: because he died, Sarah's never had to give up her first love, she's been able to spend 18 years in that one emotional place where she is completely and utterly loved. Losing Kyle was tragic but in some ways less cruel that it would have been to see that love ebb away.
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Post by allergygal on May 6, 2009 18:37:40 GMT -5
What makes you think their love would've ebbed away?
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Post by k8ie on May 6, 2009 18:52:39 GMT -5
I don't think it would have. I'm a firm believer in the idea that Sarah and Kyle really did fall in that true, honest, forever kind of love.
My point is that it was never tested by the mundane or the banal. Sarah never had that moment of being so mad at her partner that she hated him, or learned whether or not he was the kind of person who stole the blankets. Their affair was short, punctuated by gunplay and the fate of the world was literally resting on their shoulders. That adrenalin over-load is famous for overloading people's circuits.
If Sarah were to encounter another version of Kyle, those questions would, I think, have to be addressed. Otherwise, yes, it would cheapen the story of the original film.
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Post by aceplace57 on May 6, 2009 19:23:54 GMT -5
I've wondered if Sarah left messages for John. Spray paint a wall in the Turk room, "John C. you are an idiot! Love Sarah" Leave messages in safe houses & weapons caches that John would know about. etc. Heck that would be a way to get Cameron into the future. Sarah could put her in a buried weapons cache. John opens it in 2027 and there she is. Minus an eyeball and chip. John slaps his forehead and screams, "How do I get away from this metal witch!" ;D Sarah would get a taste of revenge and John would have the technology to fix his metal companion in 2027. I can see Sarah focusing a lot more effort into stocking the Connor weapons caches. She knows John is in the future and needs all the supplies she can send him. Maybe even a box of pancake mix.
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Post by schmacky on May 7, 2009 1:19:08 GMT -5
My new Sarah Connor vid.. it's sort of an inner dialogue with herself. www.vimeo.com/4524248I do believe the lyrics are important, so if you can't understand it (music is by Shinedown) here they are. I thought this song really screamed Sarah. Maybe it's just me. You decide. Yeah, I get it, You're an outcast. Always under attack. Always coming in last, Bringing up the past. No one owes you anything. I think you need a shotgun blast, A kick in the ass, So paranoid. . . Watch your back!! Oh my, here we go... Another lose cannon gone bi-polar Slipped down, couldn't get much lower. Quicksand's got no sense of humor. I'm still laughing like hell. You think that the cryin to me, Looking so sorry that I'm gonna believe, You've been infected by a social disease. Well, then take your medicine. I created the Sound of Madness. Wrote the book on pain. Somehow I'm still here, To explain, That the darkest hour never comes in the night. You can sleep with a gun. When you gonna wake up and fight... for yourself? I'm so sick of this tombstone mentality, If there's an afterlife, Then it'll set you free. But I'm not gonna part the seas You're a self-fulfilling prophecy. You think that cryin to me, Looking so sorry that I'm gonna believe, You've been infected by a social disease. Well, then take your medicine. I created the Sound of Madness. Wrote the book on pain. Somehow I'm still here, To explain, That the darkest hour never comes in the night. You can sleep with a gun. When you gonna wake up and fight... for yourself?
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Post by allergygal on May 26, 2009 14:16:27 GMT -5
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Post by allergygal on Jun 20, 2009 4:32:34 GMT -5
O Hai crickets. You know that regret Sarah had the second she put the pen down after signing away her parental rights? I'm thinking she had that same feeling the second the time bubble vanished. But this time, she can't bust out of there and go find John. He's gone. And it's probably going to drive her kind of Pescadero-level crazy. She'll suck it up and keep moving at first, but the minute she hits a stumbling block on the road to find Kaliba it's going to come crashing down on her. You know what could be fun? Sarah gets caught, locked up in Pescadero again and Silberman goes with her when she escapes. It kills me where this show got left. Kills me!
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Post by k8ie on Jun 20, 2009 16:32:16 GMT -5
I think she regrets it, yeah, but not in a "oh, I shouldn't have done that" sense but in a "why does my life always have to suck?" way.
All Sarah wants for herself is to be with John, preferably someplace safe for him but Sarah's shown that she's prepared to negotiate on that one. 36 years boils down to that one thing - to actually be able to be a family with John - and she can't even have that. That's something Sarah always regrets but, unlike, signing the papers, I think sending John away will fuel Sarah - she's got something to work for.
What's gonna make our girl crazy is when she realizes she's sent him in a war zone....
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Post by allergygal on Jun 20, 2009 19:01:29 GMT -5
I go back and forth on whether Sarah's going to totally lose her shit over John's departure or become so fiercely determined that she could take on a T4 harvester robot single-handed. I've finally settled on it being both. I think as long as she can keep moving towards a goal, she'll stay strong and focused. But the moment she doesn't know what her next move is, she'll be KrAzEe. What's gonna make our girl crazy is when she realizes she's sent him in a war zone.... Yeah. That'll certainly do it. If anyone shows up from the future, that realization that future war is on and John's in it is going to destroy her.
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Post by schmacky on Jun 20, 2009 19:49:36 GMT -5
I say Sarah will go a lil coocoo at the beginning. But a controlled crazy with occasional slips into more crazy and then she'll get herself focused and determined to find Kaliba and all that jazz. But, she did just see her son vanish to god knows when and doesn't know if she'll ever see him again, I think that warrants a semi-breakdown of sorts.
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