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Post by schmacky on Mar 25, 2009 1:40:26 GMT -5
But I did like to think Enrique was her one trusted friend through the years. I imagined he was the first person she met and that he'd probably introduced her to the whole gun-running, off-the-grid life. Yeah, I always liked to think that too. I think that's why I was so bummed that they had Enrique be this bastard who turned her in - or at least attempted to. They could have made up anybody Sarah hung out with back in those days, why did it have to be Enrique? Blah.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 25, 2009 11:47:09 GMT -5
Sarah would meet someone, learn from them and move along. And I've never found it believable that Sarah would be able to move between these secretive, fringe communities without proving her value to them. You don't get something for nothing, etc., and people who are fighting revolutions, running guns and drugs or what have you dont' generally have much time for tourist wannabes. The implication from T2 that Sarah, at least in the beginning, slept her way to what she wanted to learn at least provides a reasonable explaination for how she got in with the people she did but TSCC seems to have backed away from that idea. Which brings us back to square one - how does Sarah learn what she learns and what did she have to do to learn it?
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Post by schmacky on Mar 25, 2009 11:59:27 GMT -5
Sarah would meet someone, learn from them and move along. And I've never found it believable that Sarah would be able to move between these secretive, fringe communities without proving her value to them. You don't get something for nothing, etc., and people who are fighting revolutions, running guns and drugs or what have you dont' generally have much time for tourist wannabes. The implication from T2 that Sarah, at least in the beginning, slept her way to what she wanted to learn at least provides a reasonable explaination for how she got in with the people she did but TSCC seems to have backed away from that idea. Which brings us back to square one - how does Sarah learn what she learns and what did she have to do to learn it? How has TSCC backed away from Sarah sleeping her way through? I think that's the only way for it to make sense why Sarah would even be there to begin with. Because you're right, those guys just aren't gonna let this woman and her kid hang around for no reason whatsoever. She didn't fight in any battles because a) she's got a lil boy and b) she wouldn't be worried with those battles, that's not her goal. She hasn't killed anyone so she hasn't done any missions or assassinations or ... anything for them. I don't know how else she could get the knowledge and training she has without using sex to get it. But, I never saw anything in the show that seemed to take that theory away.
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Post by echoplex on Mar 25, 2009 12:34:22 GMT -5
[/quote]"And I've never found it believable that Sarah would be able to move between these secretive, fringe communities without proving her value to them. You don't get something for nothing, etc., and people who are fighting revolutions, running guns and drugs or what have you dont' generally have much time for tourist wannabes.
The implication from T2 that Sarah, at least in the beginning, slept her way to what she wanted to learn at least provides a reasonable explaination for how she got in with the people she did but TSCC seems to have backed away from that idea.
Which brings us back to square one - how does Sarah learn what she learns and what did she have to do to learn it?[/quote]
Never really thought about it that way. But John said it in T2. She'd shack up with anyone to teach him how to be a great military leader. So that does mean she gave a little to get a little, but eventually she learned as well. It wasn't all for John as we saw by her transformation from T1 to T2, and in TSCC she was in the jungle with John at some camp with a AK47 on her shoulder, I think it was a AK....That would mean to me anyway that she was learning and proving her worth, maybe she went on raids and didn't take John with her. Maybe she got to be really good at it. Who knows. Learning hand to combat, all kinds of thing to prove her worth. I think she used the boyfriend angle, built up her rep and had that carry her enough to the point where she wanted to take on Skynet on her own, ditched John with someone she trusted, got busted wound up in a looney bin and the rest is history.
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Post by k8ie on Mar 25, 2009 13:33:17 GMT -5
But, I never saw anything in the show that seemed to take that theory away. "Gnothi Seauton" - "I did paramilitary training with Enrique in Oaxaca." "The Queen's Gambit" - Sarah walking through the jungle with an AK while John hangs out in camp.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 25, 2009 13:40:07 GMT -5
But, I never saw anything in the show that seemed to take that theory away. "Gnothi Seauton" - "I did paramilitary training with Enrique in Oaxaca." "The Queen's Gambit" - Sarah walking through the jungle with an AK while John hangs out in camp. That reinforces that Sarah trained out there, doesn't take away that she (atleast initially) got info by sleeping with whoever to learn whatever. edit: Maybe instead of Sarah walking through the jungle in Queen's Gambit, they should of had her walking out of a tent zipping up her pants and some nasty dude walking up behind her? lol
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Post by k8ie on Mar 25, 2009 15:43:02 GMT -5
Maybe instead of Sarah walking through the jungle in Queen's Gambit, they should of had her walking out of a tent zipping up her pants and some nasty dude walking up behind her? lol That's my point - TSCC makes a different choice when referencing Sarah's time in the jungle, emphasizing her training and her reputation as a badass among people like Enrique. As you say, it doesn't means she didn't use relationships with men to get her foot in the door but the details in GS and QG infer to me that she evolved beyond that.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 25, 2009 16:15:33 GMT -5
That's my point - TSCC makes a different choice when referencing Sarah's time in the jungle, emphasizing her training and her reputation as a badass among people like Enrique. As you say, it doesn't means she didn't use relationships with men to get her foot in the door but the details in GS and QG infer to me that she evolved beyond that. I'd like to think she did evolve beyond that. She could have kept her usefulness by pulling security or whatever. Maybe that's why she was walking through the jungle while John was playing chess. She was pulling security, I don't know. Doesn't mean she got into their fights, but doesn't mean every night she was with some man either. Personally, I'd like the show to touch on how she got that knowledge and training, even if it was subtle. I think it's a big fact in the history of Sarah Connor and those who watch the show but haven't seen the movies should know that. It shows what lengths she went to in order to prepare her son. But, on the same token, I can see why they didn't throw that out there in the first season also.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 25, 2009 18:38:54 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like the show to touch on how she got that knowledge and training, even if it was subtle. I think it's a big fact in the history of Sarah Connor and those who watch the show but haven't seen the movies should know that. It shows what lengths she went to in order to prepare her son. Yeah I want more of that too — just an occasional quick flashbacks like we got in Queen's Gambit would make me happy. Looking forward to to ep 20
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Post by Andrew Goode on Mar 25, 2009 18:57:41 GMT -5
I'm so glad to see the flashback is...back. lol. This is great. This episode is gonna be awesome. Sarah rocks!
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Post by samuel95 on Mar 25, 2009 19:11:56 GMT -5
Various armed groups in the 80's had base camps in relatively safe areas and did operations in forward locations. Think of base camps in Honduras for ops in Nicaragua (or base camps in Pakistan for ops in Afghanistan). The base camps require all kinds of labor to operate--I knew a Vietnam vet that worked in one. For all we know Sarah was a waitress. Pulling security duty would be no big deal. A female gringo would be extremely unlikely to go on patrol in hostile area. But that's the real world, in fiction anything could happen.
What you really learn from actual combat is how people respond under extreme stress. The individual skills can come from a book, in the gym or on the shooting range. But getting a guy that's been shaken to the core to turn around and do it again is the hard part. The individual skills would be a bonus. The leadership skills would be the irreplaceable part--unless you spend your life chased by the FBI and terminators of course.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 3, 2009 15:36:14 GMT -5
Lena Wallpaper as 1984 Sarah with Jim Cameron's description posted in the fan art gallery. Mod Edit: changed your image to a link to it in the fan art gallery.
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Post by schmacky on Apr 5, 2009 23:47:19 GMT -5
OK so this last Friday I went on a flight for work and the plane got stuck in Arizona so I spent the night there. So I visited my sister and was telling her and her husband about the video I'm making. My brother in law made one but at the end of it he had to do this... If you haven't seen that "leave Britney alone!" video then you might not get the awesomeness of this clip lol. My brother-in-law loves Sarah and he wanted people to just leave her alone www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPrwVYXUYY
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Post by littleb on Apr 7, 2009 1:35:24 GMT -5
If you haven't seen that "leave Britney alone!" video then you might not get the awesomeness of this clip lol. My brother-in-law loves Sarah and he wanted people to just leave her alone www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPrwVYXUYYLMAO. I do this exact same ritual every Saturday morning. Every time I log on and read something along the lines of; "Sarah didn't pause in the middle of a deadly firefight to go buy Cameron some chocolates and a thank you card for slamming her head first into a wall, and stunning her to the point where she's still down on the floor a minute later. She's so mean!!!!" I have the blanket and everything
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Post by aceplace57 on Apr 12, 2009 17:06:25 GMT -5
Season 2 ended in failure for the Connors. Two highly advanced AI projects were developed under Sarah's nose. Zeira Corp and Kaliba Group sailed along undetected until nearly the very end. We still know nothing about the Kaliba Group. Who runs it, how powerful is it. It's not the Connors fault. They never had a clearly defined protagonist to fight until Sarah nearly got killed at Desert Canyon Heat & Air. That brings up the question. Was the Connor's mission, to stop Skynet's development, doomed from the start? Robotic and AI research is conducted around the world in research Universities and private Corporations. If the robotic's lab at UC Berkeley makes a breakthrough, how is Sarah supposed to find out about it? Even if she finds out about it, is Sarah supposed to kill every kid working on his PHD in Artificial Intelligence? Bomb every robotics lab in every University? That's not morally acceptable to Sarah or the fans of TSCC. I've enjoyed the tv show. But things were simpler in the movies. Sarah's & John's mission was to run like heck and avoid getting Terminated. ;D She did go after Miles Dyson based on information from the future. But even then killing the guy with a sniper rifle wasn't an option. Neither was killing Andy Goode in the tv show. Burning the house and The Turk should have solved the problem. But, Andy simply built another one. I'm working on fan fiction and I wrestle with these issues with every story. Sarah's not a rabid terrorist. So, how does she stop someone? How does she find out about the people that developed Skynet? It's a tough nut to crack for any writer. The series ended with John in the future. An alliance with machines seeking peace may be the only way to stop the killing in the future. I doubt that J-Day can ever be avoided. There's to many people conducting research. Kill one and there's five more to take their place.
Season 3 may work better. There is a clear protagonist that Sarah can fight. The Kaliba Group is the big bad. They have advanced weapons like HK's. That's something tangible the writers can sink their teeth into. At least until Sarah blows it up. Then what? Hopefully by then we'll be in Season 5 and the show can end on a good note.
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