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Post by Derek Reese on Feb 29, 2008 15:23:46 GMT -5
Discuss his character here.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 2, 2008 20:18:04 GMT -5
First I'd like to say: I hope his wife doesn't end up dead or leaving him.
My biggest interest in Charley is probably in his relationship to John. He really loves the kid, and John loves him. I think it'd be nice to see him as confidante, a friend (not an adviser) to John. John could use someone to talk to, occasionally.
I look forward to Charley learning more details about what's going on. He hasn't had time to process things yet. We never really got to see him address that Sarah and John traveled through time, that the world's going to be attacked in four years, or that John is a future messiah for the human race. All of those are interesting to me, and seeing the typical person react to them could be fascinating.
Does Charley want to help? Certainly, it's hard to think of anyone knowing about J-Day and this future and not trying to act to stop it. Does he want to know where the safest places to be are - to go there in the last days or send his wife? I want to see him (and Michelle) become part of this war. John will need followers, we'll need soldiers. He's not a fighter - he's a medic. He can at least patch people up. Does he want to learn to fight? To help? To know more, to be able to fight them better if they can't stop J-Day?
Seeing him deal with what John can/will be could also be great. To him, John is just a normal kid. A great kid, but a normal one. He doesn't know/understand the magnitude of things. To see him see John's potential, see John when he's being that way (like saying "fight" in "Heavy Metal") - that could be great. His entire perception of Sarah and John will have to change. He hasn't seen them in the thick of battle yet, but I look forward to it. Already he's seeing how Sarah isn't who he thought she was, it's sinking in like it didn't when he didn't believe Ellison. I look forward to the same with John.
A little weirdness on how they've aged a few weeks while he's aged years would also be great.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 2, 2008 21:15:11 GMT -5
Looks like we'll be dealing with him in the last two episodes, but I agree.
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Post by ReeseDN38416 on Mar 6, 2008 14:32:02 GMT -5
Judging from the second half of the finale... I'd say Charley doesn't want to let go and run away. As you say tzigone it would be really cool if Charley and his wife stuck around and became part of the resistance some how. A medical professional could come in handy.  The age thing would be a wonderful detail. Even if they just made a joke about it in passing. |
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Post by allergygal on Mar 7, 2008 2:53:45 GMT -5
First I'd like to say: I hope his wife doesn't end up dead or leaving him. I don't think that's going to happen. I have, however, seen it suggested that his wife is a terminator, which I previously thought was a ludicrous theory. After Vick's Chip, however, it seems more plausible because we now know just how well terminators can infiltrate! So it's entirely possible that when Charley went to the police in 1999 and Ellison updated his Sarah Connor file, Skynet picked up the lead and sent a terminator to stick with Charley in the event that John ever made contact with him again. If it's true, John's just been lucky so far. The big strike against this theory is that once Charley admitted to his wife that John came to their house, you'd think she'd be following Charley every day just in case John caught up with him again. And she obviously wasn't or she would have walked into the Connor house while Charley was helping Derek. I'd still consider this theory in play, though. Yeah one thing I don't like so much about Derek is that he's now the only male influence in John's life. I believed Charley when he told the cops that John was like a son to him and I'd really like to see them spend some time together again. Now that Charley is in the know, I expect we'll see more of him. I kind of doubt we'll get any more of that. Just showing Charley's reaction instead of sitting through a story we already know was probably not a bad choice, but it did feel too glossed over. Redundant or not, I would have liked to have seen Sarah telling him the whole long story and seen his reaction to all the parts of it. I mean how does a regular guy react to the "a nuclear apocalypse is coming on April 13, 2011" or "so what happened in that bank vault is that our robot activated a time machine and we jumped forward 8 years"? Although, having been told much of Sarah's crazy story from Agent Ellison years before, seeing John hadn't aged and seeing a robot in front of him on the table, I'm sure he was a little easier for him to process it all. I still wonder about the nuclear apocalypse info, though. Wouldn't Charley be kind of freaked out thinking about that being only a few years away? |
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Post by allergygal on Mar 7, 2008 2:55:00 GMT -5
Judging from the second half of the finale... I'd say Charley doesn't want to let go and run away. No, he definitely still cares about both John and Sarah. Even after what he saw at the motel, I don't think Charley's going anywhere. |
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Post by Ronnie on Mar 14, 2008 1:11:24 GMT -5
When John came back to the Connor House, he was genuinely worried about them. He had seen the melting Endoskeleton, and had heard most of the story and knew they were in danger.
He came back offering Agent Ellison as a solution for protection, due to the fact that Charley thought he was "ready to believe Sarah". I think now that he has seen first hand the destruction caused by a single 'Scary Robot', he will become even more concerned for the safety of both Sarah and John. I don't think he is going to tag along with them every week, but will find away to support and/or protect them indirectly, or from 'behind the scenes'.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 14, 2008 6:21:48 GMT -5
I have, however, seen it suggested that his wife is a terminator, which I previously thought was a ludicrous theory. After Vick's Chip, however, it seems more plausible because we now know just how well terminators can infiltrate! So it's entirely possible that when Charley went to the police in 1999 and Ellison updated his Sarah Connor file, Skynet picked up the lead and sent a terminator to stick with Charley in the event that John ever made contact with him again. If it's true, John's just been lucky so far. The big strike against this theory is that once Charley admitted to his wife that John came to their house, you'd think she'd be following Charley every day just in case John caught up with him again. And she obviously wasn't or she would have walked into the Connor house while Charley was helping Derek. I'd still consider this theory in play, though. See, for me that's too big a strike against the idea. If she hasn't been following him or didn't immediately attack John I consider that a very big WTH and a plothole of major proportions. |
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Post by allergygal on Mar 14, 2008 12:47:29 GMT -5
Agreed. It's a thin theory at this point, but I'd still consider it possible. I think the more likely scenario, though, is that Charley will begin to lead this sort of double life -- the normal one with his wife and EMT job and the other, probably working with Ellison and trying to help Sarah and John. And eventually his wife will figure it out.
We know Sarah and Charley still really care about each other, but I don't see Charley's wife getting shoved aside for them to get together romantically. Even with Charley now knowing the truth, he and Sarah still live in very different worlds. But I think they've got to give us enough of a spark between them so we can continue to believe he'd risk his marriage to help... their goodbye scene in the back yard in D&D, Sarah being upset after telling Charley to get lost in What He Beheld... that type of thing.
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Post by shmi on Mar 14, 2008 13:01:24 GMT -5
I'm hoping Charley will tell his wife soon. After all, a terminator came to their house. She needs to know what's going on both for her own safety and for John and Sarah's safety. Otherwise she might go telling a terminator something because she thinks he's an F.B.I. agent.
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Post by t101 on Mar 14, 2008 15:22:22 GMT -5
^ He would have to lie to her somehow. Because short of bringing Cameron over for a demonstration this isn't something anyone would believe.
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Post by tzigone on Mar 14, 2008 17:35:56 GMT -5
^ He would have to lie to her somehow. Because short of bringing Cameron over for a demonstration this isn't something anyone would believe. Yeah, she'll need proof (who wouldn't?). But I hope she gets it. The whole "dishonesty between spouses" is not a storyline I want. It's usually dull and boring and ends poorly. But, just for her safety, she needs to know how dangerous Cromartie is. Either it should end up on the news (with his picture plastered on the screen), or else a real FBI agent can come tell her the other one is a fake and murderer and such. Admittedly, there's really no reason Cromartie should come to talk to her again, but better safe than sorry. |
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Post by allergygal on Mar 14, 2008 18:22:59 GMT -5
But, just for her safety, she needs to know how dangerous Cromartie is. Either it should end up on the news (with his picture plastered on the screen), or else a real FBI agent can come tell her the other one is a fake and murderer and such. On the news... that would be a perfect way for to open the door to the whole conversation. She could see Cromartie on the news recognize him as the FBI agent who came to their house and when she tells Charley about it... "Yeah, uh, I need to tell you something about that." |
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Post by Carri on Mar 14, 2008 22:25:50 GMT -5
I like Charley, but I'm not really sure what they are going to do with him. Use him as the bandaid guy every time they get hurt? I'm just not sure he has a place other than that.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 15, 2008 1:23:06 GMT -5
I like Charley, but I'm not really sure what they are going to do with him. Use him as the bandaid guy every time they get hurt? I'm just not sure he has a place other than that. He's the guy that loves John like a son. He's the guy that Sarah still loves. He's the guy that John trusts. There's definitely more in store for him than just being a bandaid guy. |
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