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Post by Derek Reese on Feb 29, 2008 15:29:02 GMT -5
Discuss the character here.
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Post by DerekThomasReese on Mar 13, 2008 8:38:53 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether John told Kyle before he went back about him being his father.If he did then would that make Kyle realise how important he is to John.If he didn't does it mean that if he died in the police station would Sarah have still believed him and made sure that John was concieved.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 13, 2008 12:02:46 GMT -5
No, Kyle didn't know he was John's father.
Sarah: "I don't suppose you know who the father is... so I won't tell him to get lost when I meet him? Kyle: "John never said much about him. I know he dies before the war..."
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 13, 2008 15:43:43 GMT -5
Thus far it seems like Derek is the only Resse to know about the true connection.
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Post by Carri on Mar 14, 2008 22:30:13 GMT -5
I wish we would see more of Kyle. Maybe they'll do some flashbacks with Kyle and Sarah.
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Post by allergygal on Mar 15, 2008 1:25:09 GMT -5
I wish we would see more of Kyle. Maybe they'll do some flashbacks with Kyle and Sarah. I don't really see how they could do that since T1 was all the time they ever had together. And remaking any of those scene would be a bad idea. Maybe Sarah could see Kyle in a dream, though.
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Post by roseredscare on Mar 15, 2008 1:57:50 GMT -5
Well, that's why we have Derek around. He can give us more glimpses of Kyle and tell us more about him than Sarah ever could.
I doubt we will see flashbacks of Sarah and Kyle together because everything was pretty much shown in T1.
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Post by DerekThomasReese on Mar 15, 2008 5:23:30 GMT -5
Ah yeah i forgot about that.Thanks.
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Post by Derek Reese on Mar 16, 2008 22:13:11 GMT -5
I wish we would see more of Kyle. Maybe they'll do some flashbacks with Kyle and Sarah. I don't really see how they could do that since T1 was all the time they ever had together. And remaking any of those scene would be a bad idea. Maybe Sarah could see Kyle in a dream, though. Ala T2 Extended Edition scene.
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Post by roseredscare on Mar 17, 2008 16:12:19 GMT -5
Misspelling of Reese in the thread title again...
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Post by k8ie on Mar 17, 2008 18:14:26 GMT -5
I doubt we will see flashbacks of Sarah and Kyle together because everything was pretty much shown in T1. I agree that a flashback would be a bad idea but I'd love to see Kyle turn up in one of Sarah sanity-shredding nightmares. I hope to see more of those in Season 2 as well. I freely admit, I find watching Sarah's nightmares entertaining.
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Post by Erika on Mar 17, 2008 18:21:52 GMT -5
Misspelling of Reese in the thread title again... Fixed.
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Post by Derek Reese on Dec 27, 2008 23:52:12 GMT -5
Alright, since Kyle has appeared in the trailer. How do you all believe he factors into the current sitaution? Has the timeline been altered yet again?
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 28, 2008 21:15:02 GMT -5
I think it would be a major mistake to alter the timeline, especially if it seems to obviate T-1.
I personally think the Kyle episode will somehow be connected to the deleted scene in T-2 where he appears in Sarah's dream to motivate her to continue. That wouldn't have worked in T-2 because it would have weakened her character, but it's perfect for her current situation where she actually IS weakened by her obsessions. It doesn't necessarily have to be a dream sequence like it was in T-2, but the situations may be similar in that Kyle somehow snaps Sarah back from her edge of sanity.
On another topic, I think Cameron knows that Kyle Reese is John's father. She didn't know it at the time Derek was injured, when she recited what she knew about both Derek and Kyle Reese. But when John offered to have his blood tested and had the same rare blood type, Charley Dixon figured it out - except he thought Derek was the father, until Sarah disabused him of that notion. Later, Derek figured it out.
But Cameron KNOWS the two men were related - and she also knows exactly when Kyle Reese was sent back to protect Sarah. So she would be easily able to reason out that Kyle Reese was sent back exactly 16 years and nine months before John was born. Given that John and Derek have the same rare blood type, she would have to be an idiot not to figure out that Kyle is John's father, just like Derek figured it out. She just hasn't said anything about knowing.
I suspect this is why she hasn't offed Derek so far - that and the fact that he's useful to the team. Offing Derek would be a serious problem for her if John or Sarah ever found out. And as long as Derek doesn't reveal any more of what he knows about her background, then she has no reason to off him.
But it's clear she originally intended to kill him: that whole "if I wanted to kill him..." bit when Charley was working on Derek, and then saying "we should let him die" and then standing over him with a pillow was clearly intended to hint that she might well have intended to kill him before he became a problem.
Subsequently she's let that slide. But if Derek becomes a problem because of his involvement with Jesse, she won't let that slide. When that plot becomes exposed, it's quite possible we will learn more about Derek's involvement with Cameron in the future, the events that motivate him to hate and fear her, and that would set the stage for a Cameron-Derek confrontation.
How John and Sarah would handle that is unclear. Sarah wouldn't mind getting rid of Cameron, just as Sarah wanted to get rid of Uncle Bob in T-2 in the deleted scene. But John wouldn't let her then, and he wouldn't let her in episode one of this season - and it's not clear how he would handle a direct choice between his uncle and Cameron. Obviously he would prefer the human - but he values Cameron pretty highly, when she isn't pissing him off anyway. And he can't send her away - she won't allow it. So if it comes down to between Derek and Cameron, I think John will tell Derek to get lost and keep Cameron, especally if John feels he can't trust Derek. It was Derek who told him in season one that he couldn't believe John trusts anybody - it would be ironic if Derek gets kicked out for exactly that reason.
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