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Post by csm101 on Sept 30, 2008 14:49:35 GMT -5
I have just watched the episode and I have to say is: AWESOME! This season is going better than I'd expected. I really love it. Summer´s acting deserves a very special mention on this episode. That was just impressive. The crying sequence just left me  And now a few points: 1) Cameronator talking about factions within skynet: Well, I think this is just a trick to gain Allison´s trust more easily. I just imagine all the terminators and all the other killing machines driven by one will alone, the will of Skynet. 2) About the aircraft carrier. A very cool sequence, but the carrier seems to be an old one from the 70s (if i´m not wrong). Nothing to with the current Nimitz or Enterprise classes for example. Now i´m wondering about John-Allison relationship. The famous phrase from the episode 1 "I love you and you love me" comes to my mind and perhaps have something to do with all this. I think Cameron is hidding a LOT of things... |
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Post by rove3 on Sept 30, 2008 14:57:37 GMT -5
Now i´m wondering about John-Allison relationship. The famous phrase from the chapter 1 "I love you and you love me" comes to my mind and perhaps have something to do with all this. I think Cameron is hidding a LOT of things... I'm definately looking at those ILYs in a different light now. Initially I just assumed that she was lying and manipulating. Well, she was still lying/manipulating, but now I'm not so sure that it was as out of the blue as I'd originally thought or that cameron was just using John's feelings against him w/no real basis. Now I'm thinking that she was repeating information she had gotten from Alison. |
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Post by csm101 on Sept 30, 2008 15:08:44 GMT -5
Exactly rove3. I mean, It really makes sense now just from that point of view. I think things start to fall into place; some of them at least.
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Post by cyadon on Sept 30, 2008 15:09:08 GMT -5
I'm definately looking at those ILYs in a different light now. Initially I just assumed that she was lying and manipulating. Well, she was still lying/manipulating, but now I'm not so sure that it was as out of the blue as I'd originally thought or that cameron was just using John's feelings against him w/no real basis. Now I'm thinking that she was repeating information she had gotten from Alison. The more I think about it, the more I'm convincing myself that Allison Young was John's love interest in this future timeline. That's why they say that John 'chose' her. That's why they specifically wanted to get her and to duplicate her. That's why they made a model that could mimic emotions so well this time. They needed someone who could fool John Connor himself and get close enough to terminate him. I think that's also how he knew her well enough to be able to spot the fake before the mission succeeded and why he decided to send her back of all things. John the commander, somewhere inside, might just be sentimental. |
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Post by rossbondreturns on Sept 30, 2008 15:21:35 GMT -5
Or suicidal.
Suicide via Terminator.
It's too much of a risk.
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Post by t101 on Sept 30, 2008 15:43:15 GMT -5
[ And because of that....he's playing right into her open arms. I don't know. I don't think she's being manipulative personally. She just seems genuinely messed up. Resigned even. She's failing and knows it, hence, "This is my last get out of jail free card." I keep thinking that had Jody not paralleled Allison so closely, had she not lied, Cameron might have really left with her. Well, of course he's going to try and mask her behavior, but did you not remember what he told her @ the end of the episode in the truck? She said to him "that was my last get out of jail for free card" in which he responded with "you're damn right it was" and he said it with such conviction. He basically just told her "if you go screwed up one more time, that's it. Fin'" If she keeps going around choking people half dead, then duh. So it's a low point, but he's still there for her. I'm not buying any more than that. He is angry, but it's the same type of angry that he is towards his mother for whatever happened with Sarkissyan. Unless Cameron goes and needlessly hurts someone again he'll get over it. I'm definately looking at those ILYs in a different light now. Initially I just assumed that she was lying and manipulating. Well, she was still lying/manipulating, but now I'm not so sure that it was as out of the blue as I'd originally thought or that cameron was just using John's feelings against him w/no real basis. Now I'm thinking that she was repeating information she had gotten from Alison. IMO, it was her assessment of present John and that's why it struck home. |
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Post by rove3 on Sept 30, 2008 15:53:05 GMT -5
This is the way I saw it too. His very next line after the angry, "damn right it is" one was to ask her where she had gotten the necklace. His tone had changed already, his voice soft and lacking that hard edge. His facial reaction to her response pretty much echoed ours...he didn't know quite what to make of it.
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Post by viper2005 on Sept 30, 2008 15:54:37 GMT -5
t But I think SHE will kill someone big. A Connor. And I think there's a good reason the show is called Sarah Connor Chronicles. You might be right! I keep thinking back to that interview with Thomas and Summer, where he talks about the impending death this season: "The shock does not come out of necessarily whether they’re really dead or not. The shock comes because that death, in its own way, is what causes Judgement Day. I think he was hinting that this death may not be permanent, so it would be reasonable to consider that John could be the potential victim.. |
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 30, 2008 15:58:50 GMT -5
[ And because of that....he's playing right into her open arms. If she keeps going around choking people half dead, then duh. So it's a low point, but he's still there for her. I'm not buying any more than that. He is angry, but it's the same type of angry that he is towards his mother for whatever happened with Sarkissyan. Unless Cameron goes and needlessly hurts someone again he'll get over it. All I stated was that his tolerance of her has grown thin, which can't be disputed, because that's fact. You can't say he has the type of anger towards her that he does towards his mother, because it hasn't been revealed on wether or not Sarah killed Sarkissian.  |
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Post by rove3 on Sept 30, 2008 16:18:09 GMT -5
t But I think SHE will kill someone big. A Connor. And I think there's a good reason the show is called Sarah Connor Chronicles. You might be right! I keep thinking back to that interview with Thomas and Summer, where he talks about the impending death this season: "The shock does not come out of necessarily whether they’re really dead or not. The shock comes because that death, in its own way, is what causes Judgement Day. I think he was hinting that this death may not be permanent, so it would be reasonable to consider that John could be the potential victim.. I think I'm getting a little confused. So is the theory here that Cameron will kill John in the present? How would that work b/c then he can't exist in the future. |
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Post by t101 on Sept 30, 2008 16:19:52 GMT -5
You can't say he has the type of anger towards her that he does towards his mother, because it hasn't been revealed on wether or not Sarah killed Sarkissian. I meant whatever his anger is directed at, straight at his mother, himself, the world, his confrontational attitude is not deeply rooted. As for Cameron, you said, "I think his connection towards Cameron is completely gone... completely. I think if he had it his way, he'd pull the plug on her right now." *shrug* To me that seems far beyond, "his tolerance of her has grown thin." |
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Post by Deep Art Frummy on Sept 30, 2008 16:47:50 GMT -5
I thought it was the same thing. :shrug:
I don't know. It was just a really awesome episode that raised more questions than answers... I like that.
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Post by sandrinha on Sept 30, 2008 18:02:08 GMT -5
You might be right! I keep thinking back to that interview with Thomas and Summer, where he talks about the impending death this season: "The shock does not come out of necessarily whether they’re really dead or not. The shock comes because that death, in its own way, is what causes Judgement Day. I think he was hinting that this death may not be permanent, so it would be reasonable to consider that John could be the potential victim... The only ones that can die and come back are the Terminators, so if any of the Connors dies, they die for good. |
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Post by aceplace57 on Sept 30, 2008 18:38:33 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the evil Cameron posts. I can see how the clues could point to some master plan orchestrated by the machines. Dramatically it certainly would make a compelling story for Cameron to suddenly attack John. He'd be injured, and she'd (somehow) get defeated and destroyed in Thermite.
But, I think it would also destroy the show's fan base. It would be such a horrible betrayal by a popular character that I think most fans wouldn't watch anymore. Terminator has always been about hope. That somehow humanity will survive and emerge from darkness. I'd like to believe that Cameron will eventually overcome her current issues. She'll never become human, but she'll eventually find a way to coexist with humans.
We're really just beginning to learn about Cameron. Allison from Palmdale was a good start. I'm looking forward to more episodes that tell Cameron's story.
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Post by allergygal on Sept 30, 2008 18:57:31 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I'm convincing myself that Allison Young was John's love interest in this future timeline. That's why they say that John 'chose' her. That's why they specifically wanted to get her and to duplicate her. That's why they made a model that could mimic emotions so well this time. They needed someone who could fool John Connor himself and get close enough to terminate him. I think that's also how he knew her well enough to be able to spot the fake before the mission succeeded and why he decided to send her back of all things. John the commander, somewhere inside, might just be sentimental. I still say it's too pervy for a 30-year-old John to be gettin' it on with a 16, maybe 17-year-old Alison even in post-apocalyptic times. UNLESS future!John gets killed and current John jumps forward in time to take his place sometime soon. ;D |
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