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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 6, 2009 15:28:15 GMT -5
www.pizzahut.com/terminatorsalvation/?WT.mc_id=032009Terminator_Salvation_Current_Site_Wild_CardWay to show your true colors McG. The fact that this has a deal with Pizza Hurt further proves that this movie is just looking to make whatever bank that they can. I'm an idiot and feel betrayed for buying into this asshole's hype. For about a year now we seen and heard McG hyping and R rating and trying to push as hard as possible for one... I call shenanigans. He said everything the fans wanted to hear just so he could look like he truly cared. I guarantee that he shot a PG-13 movie all along and just fed the fans a bunch of bullshit to escape the backlash. Terminator WAS NEVER AND IS NEVER supposed to be PG-13!!! There's no argument that will make me think otherwise. McG is nothing but a studio's bitch. The guy is a plant and nothing more. Not even the superb acting from both Bale and Worthington can save this movie. The rating of this movie will forever overshadow the cast and performances from the actors in this movie. Plus, it doesn't help that all of the previews show no indication of plot development... it's just explosions and SFX all throughout (aside from the trailer that featured NIN's "The Day The World Went Away", the rest of them have been lackluster). And it doesn't help that the SFX and explosions look shaky at best. They said the SFX in this movie were supposed to 'revolutionize' action movies, but I've yet to see anything special. I bought into McG's lies, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, and at one point I even thought this looked promising. But all this movie is going to be is a summer blockbuster with no substance. This is not Terminator... it will never be Terminator... not with a PG-13 rating, anyway. The only hope McG has is that Pizza Hut's website is banking on a PG-13 rating, but it actually turns out to be rated R. But as of right now... McG and WB are only looking at dollar signs and nothing else.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 8, 2009 17:28:19 GMT -5
The PG-13 is NOT confirmed. Though turned in for rating the film has not even been rated YET. However after a LOT of study I've been able to discern this. IF the rating is PG-13 this is what will most likely happen. Have you even seen the descriptions of ratings...probably not.
The only thing that we'll really loose that I even barely care about is blood.
The thing is The one ironically with the most gruesome display of blood is T3 and that was barely enough to get it a damned R.
I never cared much for the language and there can be plenty of damned violence in a PG-13 movie.
In fact there can even be nudity in a PG-13 movie if it's not done in a manner leading to sex so even that boobie scene could, in fact, be intact.
Now that the film is set in the Future War that opens another loophole...that of it being called a Fantasy movie.
Using a PG-13 and calling the film fantasy leads to the following possibility. Yes I looked it up.
"Continuous Sci-Fi and fantasy violence. Some language, nudity and adult elements or thematic elements."
Right now IF since this rating has NOT been confirmed by the MPAA the film is PG-13 it's because by rating it as such they can ironically enough possibly get away with MORE than they could with an R.
I'm done here .
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 8, 2009 17:52:55 GMT -5
Dude... I'm sorry, but no.
Terminator CAN NEVER BE PG-13!!! This is going to be a disaster if it is.
Pizza Hut is going to give out free medium pizzas to anyone named Sarah Connor or John Connor. Come on now.
Ross, even you shouldn't be blind to this. They're just trying to make a buck, I'm telling you.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 8, 2009 18:42:03 GMT -5
Dude... I'm sorry, but no. Terminator CAN NEVER BE PG-13!!! This is going to be a disaster if it is. Pizza Hut is going to give out free medium pizzas to anyone named Sarah Connor or John Connor. Come on now. Ross, even you shouldn't be blind to this. They're just trying to make a buck, I'm telling you. If a rating to you determines how great a film is....then you're already lost. What matters in the film is internal consistency, plot, look, drama, script, music and direction/actors and acting. Just because a film is Rated R doesn't automatically make it brilliant. In Germany Salvation has been given the equivalent of an R rating.
No one under 16 admitted.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 8, 2009 18:54:30 GMT -5
Of course an R rating doesn't guarantee a good movie, but look at Live Free or Die Hard, AVP, and other franchises that have been ruined by PG-13.
I guarantee you this movie will suck if it's PG-13. They're definitely going to compromise the film. A report even came out today that WB demanded the acion be scaled back for a PG-13 rating, if you'd like to see it I can provide it. All McG did was lie to people... he know all along that this would be a PG movie, he just didn't want to take the backlash.
Hey, PIZZA HUT HAS A TASTE THAT CANNOT BE MEASURED LOLOLOLOL.
frak McG. The dude is a liar.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 8, 2009 19:13:46 GMT -5
Of course an R rating doesn't guarantee a good movie, but look at Live Free or Die Hard, AVP, and other franchises that have been ruined by PG-13. I guarantee you this movie will suck if it's PG-13. They're definitely going to compromise the film. A report even came out today that WB demanded the acion be scaled back for a PG-13 rating, if you'd like to see it I can provide it. All McG did was lie to people... he know all along that this would be a PG movie, he just didn't want to take the backlash. Hey, PIZZA HUT HAS A TASTE THAT CANNOT BE MEASURED LOLOLOLOL. frak McG. The dude is a liar. Feel free to link me because I've never seen any such article not that it would matters since...it's already been sent in to the MPAA for review. The movie can be PG-13 and be just damn fine. IF a rating is asll it takes to sway you even with these fantastic trailers on TV...then WOW is all I can say.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 8, 2009 20:53:20 GMT -5
Dude, when are you going to realize that this movie isn't "The Dark Knight" and McG isn't Christopher Nolan. I'm sick of seeing people saying this movie can still be great if it's rated PG-13. Yeah, that could be the case had McG been aiming for a dark PG-13 from the start, but once filming was about finished up he started talking about how he was pushing for an R rating. He not only mentioned this at conventions, but he recently stated in an interview that he's now in a battle with WB to get an R rating. I'm telling you right now, that guy is just saying that so he won't be the scapegoat once it is rated PG-13. This guy said time and time again that he would shoot this with no compromise, but at the end of the day... that's exactly what happened... the film has been comprimised due to the violence and langauge being scaled down. If you go see this movie then you guarantee the watering down of other R rated films. The reason a PG-13 rating doesn't work for this movie is because there's nothing PG about a post-apocalyptic future war. I'll tell you what they're going to do... they're going to show the humans that the robots are aiming their explosions and artillery at, but they won't show anything drastic, they'll just allow to acknowledge a body count. However, that doesn't work in the Terminator universe... this isn't 'Transformers' or some kiddie shit, THIS IS TERMINATOR. Seriously, you mean to tell me that a nude scene is being cut? Yeah, 'cause sexual activities is the last thing humans want to do at a time like that, give me a break. Humans would be sexing it up as it would be one of the few pleasures left in a world like that. If anything, it'd be one of the very few things that would allow you to feel alive. Oh, and as for you not being a fan of profanity, who cares? This film isn't just catering to you. Let me put it this way, if you took away all of Sarah's 18 F-bombs in T2 then you're taking away that intense and insane element of her character, which was VERY important for that movie. Now where am I going with this? I'll tell you... in a war like this... people would be using profanity at an all time high, John Connor would harness that type of mental mind state that his Mother was in. Anderson, Kubieck, McG, and everyone at WB are nothing but money grubbing studio plants. They could care less about this franchise, they're just looking to make as much money as possible off of something a legendary filmmaker created. I can't believe I ever bought into this... to think the writers of "Catwoman" and the director of "Charlie's Angels" could deliver a legit Terminator movie was a hopeless dream on my part. I'm almost lookin' forward to the reviews on this movie, 'cause I guarantee the feeble minded people who have no idea how to grasp anything with true substance will eat this shit up. Come on, a toy line? A cross promotion with Pizza Hut? All this movie was from the get go was to get as much revenue as possible. This movie is nothing more than a Michael Bay-esque film with nothing but explosions and eye candy. But atleast Bay isn't in denial about his films. Anyway, here's a quote "The fourth film in the Terminator franchise will debut in theaters in just under two months, yet there is still no official rating for the film…or is there? Director McG has lobbied hard for an "R" rating in the past, citing the original films as precedent, but the producers of the film have been pressuring McG to cut certain scenes so that the film could receive a "PG-13" rating, which, they hope, will help broaden the fan base for the film." From here: www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/3061/terminator-salvation-toned-down-for-pg-13-ratingI can't find the one that specifically said the action and violence is scaled down, but yes, it has been confirmed and trust me, I'll post it the second I find it. McG, Halycon, and WB better hope this is R rated. I guarantee the movie won't do jack shit if it's PG-13. I'll start a lobby to buy a ticket to R rated films and just sneak into the PG-13, kid friendly T4 if I have to.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 9, 2009 0:31:04 GMT -5
Actually Hollow Crown McG has been filming without a rating in mind in other words with no pressure to deliver a rating since the early days of the Production Blog. In fact the only person who had a problem with an R-Rating was at the Comic-Con presentation and he even said he was okay with an R rating.
Pizza Hut had a promotion and they erroneously placed a rating for the film on their promotional website.
No one knows what the rating is, not even McG, because no one at all involved with the production knows what the rating is. Which in turn means no one at Pizza Hut knows what the rating is.
And once again we all have our own opinions on what fits in a PG-13 or R.
Here's the deal.
ANY repeat ANY of the Future War footage from T1 through T3 would not have received an R Rating. We have phased plasma blasts cauterizing wounds in darkness. Not giant fountains of blood and humans being turned to mush.
In my conversation with Jim Cameron he informed me that what pushed the Terminator films specifically T2 was LANGUAGE. The modern day violence was gruesome but not R-Rated gruesome although it was right on the borderline.
What is my point.
My point is that you don't need gallons of blood and limbs being blown away, that has NEVER been what Terminator is about and not what the Future War is about.
My other point is that we don't even have an official rating yet so there is a very good chance that in the end this conversation won't even matter.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 9, 2009 12:57:28 GMT -5
No offense man, but I don't even believe you've ever met James Cameron. I've even seen other people call you out on other forums about it. Don't take that personal, but that just my honest opinion, man.
I have a hard time believing Cameron would say something like that, considering that both of the T-1000s main kills are definitely NOT PG-13 material, and if you tone those kills down you take away that dark and scary atmosphere of his character. Sure, the violence didn't make for a hard R, but the action and violence in T2 would still constitute an R rating... just look at 'Taken.' The PG version doesn't show crap where as the European version has blood and head shots... there was a night and day difference.
Sometimes you can just see through people's lies... and people are starting to see through McG's. this guy is in it for the money just as much as the rest of WB and Halycon.
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Post by timstuff on Apr 9, 2009 14:13:06 GMT -5
You can see worse than the T-1000 deaths in most PG-13 horror movies these days. The T-1001's kill scenes on TSCC may not have been quite as graphic as the movies but they were pretty friggin' close, so I don't really see why you're worried about the violence being toned down from T2. T2 itself could have morked as a PG-13 movie pretty easily (although it wouldn't be quite a intense). Like rossbondreturns said, the real "R-factor" for T2 was the coarse language, and IMO losing that is hardly a dealbreaker.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 9, 2009 14:32:30 GMT -5
Wow, you're obviously uninformed. When the T-1000 stabs the security guard through the eye in T2 there was twitching involved. The MPAA considers 'twitching' too graphic and intense, so that's definitely not PG-13 material. When the T-1000 stabs Todd through the face it shows the blade through a milk cartoon and through Todd's face. The T-1000 even admires and examines what he has just done to Todd and you see blood mix in with the milk. That is definitely NOT PG-13! When Sarah shoots up Miles's house and then shoots him in the back, we get blood spurts. When the T-800 shoots all of those cops' kneecaps, we see blood spurts. When the T-800 cuts his skin off to showcase his endo-wrist, we get blood... in order to make that scene PG-13 you'd have to remove the blood, which takes away the intensity of that scene. If you take away Sarah's language you might as well take away the insane element of her character (this is becoming too comical now). I seriously can't believe any of you are advocating these adjustments, thank God you're not making these movies. Oh, and as for Shirley's kills in TSCC, they were quick and easy. There was nothing climatic or frightening about them, where as the T-1000's kills in T2 were very dark and terrifying. No matter what you try and say, T2 is far from PG-13, especially in this day and age. If you remove all those elements from that movie then it is no longer a masterpiece, guaranteed. And, since I'm so great and always informed... here you go: Terminator 2's MPAA guide. Violence & Gore: Some bloody violence. A man is thrown on to a grill in a bar, burning him. A man is killed by being stabbed through the mouth and out the back of his head with a large knife. A man is killed by having a knife-like object stabbed through his eye and out the back of his head. A man is beaten unconscious by a woman; He is hit in the face with a stick (blood spurts), and then punched repeatedly. A woman breaks a man's arm by hitting him with a stick; She then hits him in the leg. A woman threatens to kill a man by holding a syringe filled with a chemical to his neck. A man is shot in the shoulder; Blood spurts and he falls to the floor. Several SWAT team/police officers are wounded by being shot in the legs, with blood spurting from wounds. A man is shot several times and goes into shock; Blood is seen spurting out. When he dies, he drops a detonator which sets off the bombs that were all around him. Throughout the movie, two men are hit by bullets, but they do not die. One of them is a self-healing organism, and the other is a robot. In a dream sequence, a bomb hits a playground and many women and children are set on fire and blown up. A woman is stabbed through the shoulder with a blade. She is told another blade will go through her head if she doesn't co-operate. At the end of the film, the Terminator is beaten up badly, he is missing large chunks of his chest and half of his face is beaten. Metal can be seen through the damage. The Terminator's glowing red eye can be seen. Sex and Nudity:Brief male nudity (buttocks). Profanity: 18 F-words and its derivatives, d-ck, sh-t, h-ll, d-mn. At least 5 G-d-mns. Alcohol, Drugs, and Smoking:Some characters are seen smoking, while another shares from a bottle of tequila. Frightening/Intense Scenes:The nuclear-holocaust hallucination scenes are intense and realistic. Including children exploding into ashes.The T-800's in the future war sequence are very creepy. The fact that the film is essentially a long, relentless chase, with intense scenes of violence and menace (due to humans being chased by a seemingly unstoppable cyborg), may be unsettling to some viewers. The T-1000's death is possibly intense as it changes between all of its victims. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, that's so PG-13. If you scale down any of those scenes then you diminish the quality of the epic masterpiece known as T2. Game, set, and match.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 9, 2009 17:39:53 GMT -5
If you shot those scenes now-a-day you'd be getting a PG-13 IF the PROFANITY were removed.
I'll take the word of the DIRECTOR of the film who talked to the MPAA about it.
The main reason T2 got its R-Rating was profanity.
And you could EASILY take out a good number of those scenes anyway and the film would be just fine.
Game set and match.
Ofcourse you should realize by now that if the filmends up rated R we've had this discussion for no reason.
Not to mention the fact that we aren't going to sway each other, right now we're just posting to get the "Last word"...and therefore this could go on and on forever.
Warmest regards.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Apr 9, 2009 18:42:44 GMT -5
Dude, even if you remove all of the profanity that movie is rated R due to the violent scenes I listed. What don't you understand about the MPAA being completely against blood and twitching in PG-13 movies? As I mentioned yesterday, "Taken" is the perfect example of this. In the PG version you get your guns blastng and explosions, but you don't get your blood spurting or headshots. I'd bet cash money that the cameras would cut away every time the T-800 shot the cops in the kneecaps in T2... you'd see the gun being aimed and blasted, and that's it. I could keep going on with all of these scenes, but I've already got my point across.
And seriously man, I don't believe that you've ever met James Cameron, let alone speak with him. You can think I'm a prick for that, but hey... it is what it is. I don't believe you.
There's no way IN HELL that T2 would ever be PG-13 in this day and age, even if you remove the profanity.
This isn't about me gettng the last word, it's about me getting the point across that PG-13 films really don't allow that much violence. Just look at Die Hard 4 for crying out loud LOL. You get your guns and explosions in that, but you don't get full blown body or head shot or any blood, which really took away one of the best elements of the Die Hard series.
A PG-13 Terminator = automatic failure. Bank on it.
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Post by terrasj on Apr 9, 2009 19:11:39 GMT -5
Whats the big deal with Pizza Hut doing a T4 Salvation promo?
T4 isn't the first, nor will be the last movie to do a joint promotion for a food chain like Pizza Hut. Theres McDonalds, Burger King, KFC you name it.
Its generally good cross-promotional advertising for business. Promoting movies like T4 also helps attracts more buisiness.
I second about the ratings being a non issue here. Be it PG-13 or R.
Much like Rossbond said, sometimes an R rating is worse, as some directors see it as a chance to fill some spots with gratuitous nudity and sex scenes. If McG were heavily promoting T4 teaser scenes with Christian Bale going down on some chick, then I'd be worried about the entire movie's production value and quality.
Movies like Blackhawk Down I have trouble stomaching as the CG & FX is a little too good too much, giving up close visual gory detail of every other limb that's been blown off some soldier. Using an R rating for that seriously detracted from showcasing what the movie was about - which was one Blackhawk crew and patrol getting shot down and cornered in from all sides, with a rescue unit mounted & sent in, which escalated into a full blown brutal firefight.
From what I see in the trailers, T4 looks to be pretty promising to live up and continue the Terminator franchise. If the prequel book by Timothy Zahn is any indicator, T4's going to do just fine if not deliver better than ever.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Apr 9, 2009 19:37:03 GMT -5
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