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Post by terminatornerd on Feb 14, 2009 13:12:49 GMT -5
The show was much better this time around...
However, I still must say that they need to drop to one or two stories per episode. Four or five at once is pushing it! A LOT!
It doesn't allow for real meat for the central story or the characters. You get the table scraps, but not the full course meal.
However, Season 3 seems to be a very remote possibility now, so no chance for improvement.
Sorry.
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Post by driftlight23 on Feb 14, 2009 13:34:01 GMT -5
I've written a little more at Dekker Daily, but the short version for here is that that episode was a quality piece of television drama - thoughtful, moving, excellent acting and writing, and some great action.
America, your ratings system is utter frelling dren. Scapers will need no translation.
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Post by potomac79 on Feb 14, 2009 13:39:24 GMT -5
That was one interesting episode. It's so great when one of our terminators gets to zen out and touch on their inner unstoppable killer machine. Gives their life meaning. (Yes, I know that sounds bloodthirsty, but somehow it just doesn't work if they are handing out hugs and puppies instead.) As I droned on about in my blog and podcast, I think this was a very good reset for Sarah. Josh pulling out the non-canonical deleted scene from T2 and making it canonical here for the same reason: getting Sarah's head back into the game. She needs to get back on mission: John, then Skynet. Cameron is there to protect him, but Sarah's job is to teach him everything he needs to know to become this great leader. The time is nigh. Like a few other have mentioned, I so didn't buy Riley trying to set up John. I think she was tossing something out there so Jesse wouldn't get mad at her and was fortunate that Jesse took the bait. And a quick formula: Cameron + Leather Jacket & Jeans = Awesome (Had to be said) As for John Henry...I'm not sure hooking him up to the 'net is such a good thing. Before you know it he'll actually start believing it. Worse, he'll retreat into himself and spend all his time playing games on Facebook. I wonder who he'd put on his friends list? Once again, that warehouse massacre with Cat in all of her mimetic poly-alloy glory. I just hope she got the coltan out of the warehouse before she cratered it. It's an interesting through point. Here we have two "mothers" who are doing it all for their sons, "John". It's all kind of sweet, actually. A perfect gift for valentine's day. Mostly, though, it's about bullets, guns, and stabbing weapons.
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Post by littleb on Feb 14, 2009 16:03:47 GMT -5
I don’t know what else this show can do to gain viewers. It certainly can’t get any better. After all the build-up, spoilers, hype and breathless anticipation, this was a great back 9 opener and it delivered on all fronts. I’ve said it before about the writing team of Ashley Miller and Zack Stentz; I have no idea how they manage to fit so much into 43 minutes but they consistently pull great characterisation and plotting out of the hat and make it seem so damn effortless. First things first, with Alpine Fields, Earthlings… and The Good Wound all on a roll, can we put aside the doubts about Sarah not being the focus of her own show? The writers certainly seem to be doing their utmost to do just that. In an ep that centred on Sarah, most of the other characters got a fair enough crack of the whip although a necessarily truncated one. The Riley subplot gave John an interesting quandary, first manning up to Derek with his “I made the call, live with it,” and then having it thrown back in his face when the most important female in his life is stuck in the middle of nowhere with a bullet in her leg. Derek, back playing on Team Connor (thank you, thank you!!) brutal as ever, “the bullet in her leg sounds real enough” and then just a little softer with John as he reassures him that his mum will “be fine.” Derek may be a bad ass, but he does genuinely care about his surrogate family. Cameron, looking at Riley like a wolf eyeing up a nice rare steak “I’m worried about you,” was just too funny. As for Jesse, it says a lot about her character and life, that she has an easy-access first aid kit sequestered in her antique coffee table. The cyborgs got all the funnies in this one. John Henry – sounding awfully like Cartman which didn’t help – had me LMAO demonstrating his hinge joints and was a walking advertisement of the dangers of allowing developing AIs to Google. Meanwhile, Weaver lets slip what her favourite, bestest ever movie is by channelling Bryan Adams… Then she went on a killing spree. Fabulous. And OMG, the girl has a long range with those spears! It’s already been mentioned a few times but it was lovely direction from Jeff Woolnough in the bathroom scene, as we all sat and expected Weaver to morph out the urinal or the mirror or oh, hey there she is and what awesome synchronised blood-splatter it was too. Her walking unscathed and emotionless out of the fire was a thing of beauty. And was that Ellison, doubting himself for the first time? “Still, it seems unwise.” Yes, Ellison it does, but then it has done ever since you dug up Cromartie. Great also to see the little details taken care of; the evidence Sarah had left all over the place, the fingerprints, the jeep, the paper trail. The sort of loose ends that drive fans mad when they’re just swept under the carpet. Not here, not when Uncle Derek is on the case. Who else was in this ep… oh yeah, Sarah Sarah, who ripped my heart to shreds in Earthlings, took it out again and obliterated it in this one. I was afraid that the use of hallucination-Kyle might be hokey, that it might not work but it worked beautifully. The dialogue from T1 was blended so seamlessly into the script that people who don’t know the movies probably didn’t even spot where the joins were. Kyle was not so much a motivator as a guide, tempering Sarah’s crazy and enabling her to find the help she needed. The scene in the motel was just awesome; Sarah vulnerable to the point of breaking, desperately trying to maintain her defenses and hold onto her edge, finally gives in and lets the barriers tumble. The doc sees her as a fellow abuse victim, truth is, she may as well be. She has been hurt and they do always find her, she has the scars to attest to that. So unused to letting herself be helped, she whimpers when the doc reaches for her hand and then finally, finally tells the stranger her name. It’s a big step for one so accustomed to her circumstances. “Women have a higher pain threshold than men.” Oh, I concur. And Sarah certainly needed one, using alcohol wipes on a bullet wound that nasty, those hurt like a bitch on a paper cut! Doctor Felicia’s bedside manner left a lot to be desired; “Second, this is really going to hurt.” I did a lot of wincing in this ep. But Sarah’s not-so-subtle advice re: her femoral artery did make me laugh; “so don’t nick it.” Couldn’t have said it better myself. I don’t know which was more wrenching to watch, the motel scene or Sarah’s second phone call to Derek. “I got a problem with this leg” (I think I’m going to die) “I can tell. You called me. Twice.” Those huge pauses while everything and nothing got said and then finally, exactly what she needed to hear; “don’t worry about John.” No emotions because that’s not what Sarah wanted, she wanted to know her role would be filled if the worst happened to her and Derek got it spot on. Enough waffling, there’s probably loads more to say but every time I switch my PC on some damn episode distracts me
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Post by cyadon on Feb 14, 2009 17:42:56 GMT -5
Quick Mod Note: I know it's a downer, but let's keep any mention of the ratings out of this thread and keep them in the ratings thread. Keep your thoughts on how awesome the episode itself was here. Happy thoughts, folks.
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Post by schmacky on Feb 14, 2009 18:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by wb5 on Feb 14, 2009 21:05:35 GMT -5
I loved the scene in which they were toying with the audience, as you expect Weaver to come out, no, to be the urinal, than the basin, then to come up in the mirror,... and in the end she just does a "walk-by killing". The T1001 is truly a menace, and with style.
So, the factory (still no word on whether they make any kind of flying machines, though, or just process Coltan for other purposes) was owned by Weaver. And everything she does, she does for John Henry (Skynet?). Just what is her goal, at first sight she is doing everything to make the machines/Skynet stronger for the war, but then why does she have Ellison teaching him? Or is she counting on Ellison's religion backfiring?
Was Riley just giving an excuse when she said that the suicide attempt was calculated? It seems that way to me. I wonder how long it will take John to figure out she is from the future; I don't think it will take much longer though.
All in all, it was an enjoyable episode (loved Derek's parts in it). I really like the writing/atmosphere in this show. The BSG episode this time around was more annoying that entertaining at times; I now like TSCC much better overall.
Sarah was good as well; she managed to hide her identity completely (other than that some agents can recognise her), and I gues we haven't seen the last of this county.
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Post by allergygal on Feb 15, 2009 15:54:45 GMT -5
I'm done dwelling on ratings. It's been taking me away from talking about this episode. And I so loved this episode. It just gets better and better with each rewatch too. I think my favorite part was in the motel room when Sarah tells the doctor about John. The use of the T1 dialog is so perfect and makes that first true emotional connection between Sarah and Kyle. Also, I think I'm in love with Jonathan Jackson. He seriously, won me over. it's not that I didn't like him before, I just couldn't really think of him as Kyle. He was more future war Derek's brother. But now, he's really Kyle Some of the morgue stuff was just as good. That bit about whether it was Reese that hurt her... "No. God no. Reese is John's father and he's dead." Can Lena Headey get any better? I was choked up. And the call to Derek when she thought the 4-minute clock could start counting down any time was awesome. I loved how she and Derek understood each other so perfectly without really saying it. Derek was so damn likable in this episode, too. Being a hard-ass to John was totally warranted, but he didn't leave him hanging either. I think the thought of Sarah being seriously wounded brought out Derek's paternal instincts — something we haven't seen in a while since he's been so consumed with Jesse and so disgruntled about John's behavior. Maybe Kyle being away during his teen years is why Derek has been at such a loss about teen John. Heh. This might have been the first episode where I wasn't a little bit bored with an Ellison / John Henry scene. The Bionicles stuff was gold and his question for God about ball joints is one of the best lines ever. Oh and Catherine's "Everything I do, I do for you" line was so very Sarah, wasn't it? I sense an eventual showdown between these two sons: John Henry and John Connor. And probably a showdown between the two mothers: Catherine and Sarah. I wonder if that leaves pseudo dads Ellison and Derek to have a showdown as well? And then Cameron and Savannah fight to the death (okay maybe not). Catherine's slaughter at the warehouse was, well, awesome. Starting in the bathroom, I was like "she's going to be a urinal again? How boring." But no. Hee. Oh, she's a sink this time. Nope. Ah, she's the mirror. Wrong again! Instead, she's just hanging out in the hallway ready to slice. That was fun. Even the classic villain walk-while-victims-are-running didn't bother me because I was enjoying the bloodbath too much. That explosion was a little cheesy-looking though. I think Riley was playing Jesse about the high school jumper. I don't really think that's why she slit her wrists, but I guess I have to give her a little credit for being sly enough to think of that when confronted by Jesse. I don't generally think of Riley as being that bright, though. And this thing she has for Jesse... I think she's just desperate for a mother figure (just like John is desperate for a father figure). Riley wants someone to care about her like a mom would because she's never had that. (her cutesy "hi mom" to Sarah back in Automatic gets a little more meaning now). Things didn't work out with the foster family because it was too normal and happy — too much of a contrast to the post-apocalyptic memories in her head. But the Connor house, well, she kind of fits right in there really even though no one but John wants her around. Okay, so, back to Sarah and Kyle (and Derek)... Kyle's disembodied voice at the very beginning was cheesy, but once he appeared it was all good and I liked the clear distinction between hallucination Kyle and dream Kyle. Sarah referring to both he and Derek as "Reese" was obviously meant to blur the two brothers, which led into the visual at the end of Derek turning into hallucination Kyle and back to Derek again. I'm not completely settled on what that means yet, but I don't think (as k8tie suggested) that Kyle ships Sarah/Derek. LOL. I think it's probably Sarah coming to the realization that she can't always do it all on her own. And as much as she wants to kill Derek sometimes ("he's certainly on the list" ), she needs to let him shoulder some of the burden (especially since he'd be the one to protect John if she died). I'm not sure if I like that, though. Sure, John and Sarah are all he's got and he's all they've got in the way of family, but he's still sneaking around with Jesse (and he revealed John's father to her!) and he still believes in killing. I'm so glad all this Kyle stuff wasn't basically the cut dream from T2. I never liked the idea of Sarah needing motivation to take care of John. Also, we've kind of already been there done that with the parental rights story. She lost all hope and gave up once (brief as it was) already. But this was about keeping herself going no matter how much it hurt and no matter how difficult it was. And I really like thinking now that Kyle is sort of always with her. I don't mean she's always talking to hallucination Kyle, but that he's always there in her heart and mind giving her that extra bit of strength she needs to keep going. It was fun that he was trying to keep her in check the whole time too. "Ease up!" Sarah tends to go to far when she's desperate. John is often the voice of reason in her life, but when he's not there and she has to cool herself down, I guess it's sort of Kyle that does it for her. Sarah played that doctor beautifully. And "I got shot" was such an awesome moment as she was leaving. But it was cool of Sarah to give the doctor an out for shooting the abusive ex-boyfriend cop. "They'll think I did this. All you have to do is let them." I guess that was in lieu of a "hey, thanks for saving my life under the duress of having a gun pointed at you." I'm glad Sarah now knows that Derek knows Kyle was John's father. So what's John going to do about Riley? Derek was pissed at him (and he and Sarah both see Riley as a problem). Cameron basically told him he has more important things to do. Oh and her refusal to help look for Riley was awesome. Heh. So I guess all that is either going to make John give up Riley or make him more determined to be with her to prove them all wrong. Given how John's been this season, I'm leaning towards the latter. Okay, I think that's it. I had a lot more to say about this episode than I thought.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Feb 15, 2009 15:59:51 GMT -5
I'll make mine a little asier with two options. terminatornewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2009/02/15/%e2%80%9cpain-can-be-controlled-you-just-disconnect-it%e2%80%9d-a-review-of-the-good-wound/Well we are back watching all new episodes again and I know there are many of us whose “votes” don’t count, however that’s what my last Terminator blog was about and I’m not going there anymore after this line. This episode picks up later the very same day and is called “The Good Wound”. Last we left her Sarah was passing out beside a warehouse in the middle of the boondocks with a major league dangerous gunshot wound which I KNEW was going to end up being exceedingly deadly. Read life threatening. All those I discussed the episode with were like no no…it’s just a gunshot to the leg, nothing bad there, it’s only going to leave a good scar it’s a good wound. ;-) It’s a bad fraking wound. She ends up at the hospital, how we’re unsure of but they have her hooked up to a IV pole and there’s a deputy outside. “On your feet soldier.” Whoa! That was Kyle’s voice cool…and pretty darned effective. In fact IMHO it was more effective when it was just his voice and not voice and Vision!Kyle. Sarah escapes and takes a Doctor hostage and they go to a hotel room to try and get that bullet out because it’s right nestled up the her femoral artery. Bad news. And it’s moving, double bad news. Derek is off being a moron with Jessie again, because although he’s a Badass he’s a blind and often stupid badass. Sorry BAG you know it’s true, tell me you didn’t find her questions before you went to John at the hospital a little suspicious without looking away. “I didn’t fin-“ “You looked away LIAR!!”. So John and Cameron took Riley-poorus-sex to the hospital and John tells Derek “I made the call deal with it.” Later when Derek leaves to help his mother Derek gets to throw it back in his face: “You made the call this is what dealing with it is all about.” Zing! John Henry steals the show, the freaky nascent A.I. is first seen playing with Bionicles, and talks eloquently about the Metra Nui and all the Bionicle goodness. He then goes on about how his body was in New Mexico and then it tuned up in 1999, and how he got someone to give him a new body. And someone else to model him after BEASTWIZARD ALERT actor Lazslo. When Ellio’s goes, “John Henry how do you know all this?” “I logged onto the internet and ran a simple search using your name, James Ellison.” Ellison is not sure if it’s smart to let J.H. be hooked up to the internet. “…thought it was a good way to let him find answers on his own.” Says Weaver.
John and Cameron end up loosing track of Riley…because Jessie busts her out of the hospital. At Jessies room she explains to Jessie that she did it all for the benefit of John because of the Suicidal Girl in Season One.
No one believes her even though Jessie says she can hang for an hour. “That’s alright freaky John Connor destroyer I’m outta here.” In the hotel room they show a Scar on Sarah’s arm…while she’s talking about the T-1000. Many fans have griped “it’s on the wrong arm”- not if you just take it that they’re showing a simple scar as she’s talking about the T-1000. Hey…problem solved. But they can’t finish the job at the hotel and Sarah keeps pointing her damned gun at the lady Doc…they need to sneak back into the hospital. The Po-Po get to the hotel too late but find head Deputy’s ex’s Hybrid. This will not end well. They sneak Sarah into the hospital morgue on a gurney. John Henry tells Catherine she’s a machine and he’s made of Coltan. He picked up a communication over an unsecured line about Coltan from the Warehouse Sarah had found. “That’s not good.” “What are you going to do?” “Everything I do. I do for you.” Bathroom fake out…and die….DIE….DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!! My God what a slaughterhouse. Loved the arterial blood of the duo after the first kill. And the whole slaughter sequence was very nightmare inducing. Before I saw the episode I was a little concerned about that last kill people were saying she stabbed people from “across the room”. Guys…they were at most 5 feet from her….and she’s more advanced that the T-1000. The last kills were glorious and seeing her walking out of the Exploding warehouse was EPIC. Derek blows up Sarahs Jeep at the Po-Po station…and then burns her file while both Deputy’s are outside…and steals the Chief’s Laptop. Golden. Sarah finally gives up her gun and let’s herself be put under. It is here we have that treescape dream from the early podcast. And when she is about to wake Derek comes in. And then Head Deputy comes in. And then he verbally abuses his Ex- and she shoots him dead. A few mins later. “Is anything you told me real.” “I was shot.” Then we cut to Derek and Sarah driving out towards the Warehouse…and Sarah begins to explain to Derek about John. And being a class act in class act mode for once he stops her by saying. “There’s no explanation required.” They drive in silence and Derek sees a big plume of smoke behind a tall hill. “Whoa Sarah, what’s that?” “That’s where the warehouse was.” DUN- Dun-DUNNNNNNNN!!!
All in all a very good episode. I would have had more of Kyle Voice over Vision!Kyle but other than that and Derek totally ignoring Jessies rather obviously evil entreaties when he leaves to help John. I give it a solid A, a fantastic start to the second half of the season.
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Post by stealthgear on Feb 15, 2009 22:58:14 GMT -5
This tv show can't survive on the actors, characters, and high production values anymore. I need a reason to watch it. Do people care she has a bullet wound?? No, because her primary mission was muddy to the viewer. The new conflict and the only thing preventing her from getting care was her. What resolved that??? Nothing because she held a doctor at gunpoint. The abusive man thread was utter crap and sexist. It had no bearing on any of the main characters or their conflict. I was offended by it. I felt bad that one of my fave actors was put into that role (that star trek guy). I thought he could have become the new cop character because Ellison is boring as hell now. It would be interesting to see Ellison make a cup of coffee instead of him leaving the room because he is afraid of John Henry. He isnt even doing his job. Ellison could be pushing through to John Henry and really teaching him so he doesnt turn evil. Ellison is a coward. Also the warehouse expolosion was utterly confused. I haven't found anyone who fully understands it. I am not that interested in Weaver yet. Its painfully slow. Problems: 1. There is no evil force on this show anymore for characters to fight 2. They don't even get the mini-sodes right. Bullet wounds, cutting, abusing prisoners, lame symbology (3 points). 3. I JUST WANT TO SEE A T-800 FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!! WHERE ARE THE EXOs??? I actually like the characters in this show, and even this had good Kyle scenes but I hate the person in charge of the overall plot. Terminator of the week was working better than this. I mean, we need to have Exoskeletons and guns on this show. If they aren't going to have terminators on the show then they at least need to build up to it. Less agressiveness from Sarah, and less pent frustration with EMO cutting. John needs to dump her. This show is going to die because they strip its identity very often. Its hardly even scifi now 1/3rd of the time. Terminators exist to kill humans, but I guess not in this Universe. I don't respond well to emotional stories when Terminator is supposed to get us thinking about our relationships with machines and where the human race is going. If Season 2 and its poor writing is any consolation then the human race is screwed. MOD NOTE: Insulting comments about cast, crew or production staff are not permitted in these forums. Please review the Rules & Regs, particularly Rule 8, here.
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Post by k8ie on Feb 15, 2009 23:08:08 GMT -5
1. There is no evil force on this show anymore for characters to fight Funny, I seem to recall a terminator killing a whole warehouse full of people and then blowing it up. That struck me as fairly evil...
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Post by wb5 on Feb 16, 2009 9:29:50 GMT -5
Derek was so damn likable in this episode, too. Being a hard-ass to John was totally warranted, but he didn't leave him hanging either. I think the thought of Sarah being seriously wounded brought out Derek's paternal instincts — something we haven't seen in a while since he's been so consumed with Jesse and so disgruntled about John's behavior. I also noticed the more paternal role taken on by Derek in this episode - this may become a trend over the next 8 episodes. I expect Sarah and Derek to grow closer, now. So what's John going to do about Riley? Derek was pissed at him (and he and Sarah both see Riley as a problem). Cameron basically told him he has more important things to do. Oh and her refusal to help look for Riley was awesome. Heh. So I guess all that is either going to make John give up Riley or make him more determined to be with her to prove them all wrong. Given how John's been this season, I'm leaning towards the latter. I think Cameron missed a chance to get closer to John again, by being cold toward him in this episode; goes a bit against her "I feel" routine (though jealousy or frustration may be involved). It looks like John cares about Riley and he will not just let her go. I wonder when and how he will find out she is from the future; he may start to have an inkling after her disappearance from the hospital. Do people care she has a bullet wound?? No, because her primary mission was muddy to the viewer. The new conflict and the only thing preventing her from getting care was her. What was preventing her from getting care was the fear of her identity getting known to the cops, on top of her being a potential murder suspect already due to the circumstances in how she arrived at the hospital. She needed to get out of the hospital, soon. As for people caring, most do when the main character of a show is in danger of dying. I thought he could have become the new cop character because Ellison is boring as hell now. I sort-off agree; Ellison isn't the best man for the job of teaching John Henry morals anyway (lest he turns into a religious fanatic, and Ellison has a lot of baggage with Terminators anyway) and I would also have liked a competent local cop as a new (secondary) antagonist for the Connors. But maybe his deputy will still fill that role, as the Connors will come to investigate the factory, right in the neighbourhood. They did give enough hints though, that the doctor and "Trip" knew each other and the doctor indicated she didn't trust cops from the start. It certainly wasn't "offending". Also the warehouse explosion was utterly confused. I haven't found anyone who fully understands it. I am not that interested in Weaver yet. What is there to understand or to confuse? Her employees screwed up, or may have been planning to doublecross her, JH discovered this by accident and Weaver went to "restructure the company" (Terminator-style) and clean up the mess. She blew it all up to leave no traces for cops like "Trip" and his deputies, and for the FBI. And not interested in Weaver, after such a scene? Problems: 1. There is no evil force on this show anymore for characters to fight Do we need an "evil force"? There certainly is a major and interesting antagonist with Weaver, whose exact goals are unknown, but a confrontation with the Connors is likely at some point (I expect the ending of the show, on condition it doesn't get cancelled way before that). That we aren't certain Weaver's goals are wholly evil (that is, that she is preparing judgment day or not) only makes it more interesting. Her actions to reach this goal are "evil" enough, in themselves, as was demonstrated in this episode. That she wants to protect and teach JH is not necessarily evil, but then this may lead to machine/human peace at the end. Or not. Regarding exoskeletons, JH does use a T888 body, and Cameron was around. Action, Weaver provided plenty of that. Does it bother you that she doesn't have an exoskeleton? Terminators exist to kill humans, but I guess not in this Universe. I don't respond well to emotional stories when Terminator is supposed to get us thinking about our relationships with machines and where the human race is going. If Season 2 and its poor writing is any consolation then the human race is screwed. If you only want stories about Terminators hunting and killing humans, you should stick purely to T1. Even T2 and T3 had their emotional parts with Terminators that "found a hart" (and protected humans instead of killing them), and likely so will even T4. In my opinion, the writing for TSCC S2 was generally very good (a couple lesser episodes like "Alpine Fields" excepted) And I respond very well to the kind of AI/human relationship stories that TSCC is telling, both regarding Cameron and regarding JH. It sounds to me like you would prefer "terminator-of-the-week" stories, which in turn got the producers much criticism from other viewers when the first part of the season started to use a lot of timetravel with Terminators and resistance fighters alike. Guess the producers can't win, as so many people want so different things from this show. I appear to be one of few who love it just like it is.
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Post by allergygal on Feb 16, 2009 20:45:14 GMT -5
This tv show can't survive on the actors, characters, and high production values anymore. I need a reason to watch it. Do people care she has a bullet wound?? No, because her primary mission was muddy to the viewer. The new conflict and the only thing preventing her from getting care was her. What resolved that??? Nothing because she held a doctor at gunpoint. The abusive man thread was utter crap and sexist. It had no bearing on any of the main characters or their conflict. I was offended by it. I felt bad that one of my fave actors was put into that role (that star trek guy). I thought he could have become the new cop character because Ellison is boring as hell now. It would be interesting to see Ellison make a cup of coffee instead of him leaving the room because he is afraid of John Henry. He isnt even doing his job. Ellison could be pushing through to John Henry and really teaching him so he doesnt turn evil. Ellison is a coward. Also the warehouse expolosion was utterly confused. I haven't found anyone who fully understands it. I am not that interested in Weaver yet. Its painfully slow. Problems: 1. There is no evil force on this show anymore for characters to fight 2. They don't even get the mini-sodes right. Bullet wounds, cutting, abusing prisoners, lame symbology (3 points). 3. I JUST WANT TO SEE A T-800 FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!! WHERE ARE THE EXOs??? I actually like the characters in this show, and even this had good Kyle scenes but I hate the person in charge of the overall plot. Terminator of the week was working better than this. I mean, we need to have Exoskeletons and guns on this show. If they aren't going to have terminators on the show then they at least need to build up to it. Less agressiveness from Sarah, and less pent frustration with EMO cutting. John needs to dump her. This show is going to die because they strip its identity very often. Its hardly even scifi now 1/3rd of the time. Terminators exist to kill humans, but I guess not in this Universe. I don't respond well to emotional stories when Terminator is supposed to get us thinking about our relationships with machines and where the human race is going. If Season 2 and its poor writing is any consolation then the human race is screwed. Wow. I totally disagree with everything you said. I cared about the bullet wound and thought it was, not only a thought-provoking episode, but one in which we learn a lot about what goes on in Sarah's head. That was some intense character insight. Even if you're not much into character development, though, the story itself did advance. I think we'd all already guessed that Sarah wasn't crazy about the 3 dots and she really had found a secret factory. And we'd all guessed Catherine was behind it all. But not every viewer is a crazed message board speculator like we are. So having all those things were confirmed/revealed was pretty big. Ellison is on my list of who I hope gets killed before this season is over, but it's not because I want him replaced by a small town cop trying to solve a murder. Ellison's on my list because he stabbed Sarah Connor in the back! Also he's just plain stupid about Catherine. I'm not sure what confused you about the warehouse explosion. Maybe you missed Catherine asking the security guards at the warehouse where they keep their demolition explosives? She went there because John Henry told her he'd picked up the call about the coltan (and Winston being shot) on an unsecure line. Catherine's employees talking about her secret coltan operations on an unsecure line is a big no-no. It threatened the secrecy of the place. So to correct that problem, she not only killed all the employees, she blew up the warehouse. All evidence is now gone in case anyone else picked up that same unsecure call and might come snooping around (but she doesn't yet know that Sarah knows about it). The evil force being fought is Skynet. All their missions have been about trying to stop it or trying to help the resistance. They don't always succeed, but that's what they've been doing. Catherine and John Henry appear to be our main bad guys, but the Connors don't quite know it yet. Because of Sarah's 3-dots quest, they're getting close to finding out, though. Side note: You mean endos, not exos. Endoskeletons are inside. Exoskeletons are outside. How long have you been watching this show that you're still hoping it's going to be about the Connors fighting endos? You're probably only going to see those in future war sequences. Although with Catherine's factory, who knows what we might see in the next few eps. It seems pretty clear she's been building HKs (or an HK anyway). She might be trying her hand at endoskeletons too. Then again, if she was, why did she need Cromartie for The Turk? Okay, scratch that. I doubt she's building endos Terminators in future war exist to kill humans. In present day, they exist to carry out missions that support Skynet. And unless Skynet finds out that John Connor is residing in 2008 Los Angeles, they aren't any on missions to kill him. The only exception to that is if they find out who he is (Cameron explained all that back in the second episode of the series). As far as Skynet knows, John Connor died in a bank vault in 1999. Now, John getting picked up in Mexico and having his real name logged into an FBI computer could change that, but so far we have no indication that any terminators know where and when to find him. And lastly, the writing is NOT poor!
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k8ie
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Post by k8ie on Feb 16, 2009 20:51:06 GMT -5
I just watched the episode again and I am still blown away by Headey's performance - after playing the character for a year and a half she finds a new affect, expressions and physicality to the role, revealing a side of Sarah that is both fresh and revelatory, and completely in-character. Brilliant, brilliant work. I also want to kiss the writers (although that would be terribly, terribly, inappropriate). Not only do we get Sarah & Kyle, in all its tragic, romantic glory but the dialogue in this episode was a marvel of minimalism: especially the exchanges between Sarah and Derek and John Henry and Weaver - working on multiple levels with an absolute minimum of exposition. And if that weren't enough, Shirley Manson's catwalk strut through the warehouse is one of my all-time favourite images. Partly, true, because I always believed that it was implicit in Garbage's work that Shirley Manson would cut you if you ticked her off... Seeing, as they say, is believing. And lastly, the writing is NOT poor! Oh, hell, no.If anything the writing on this show is occasionally too smart for its own good. Scapers, alas, have been here before...
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schmacky
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Post by schmacky on Feb 16, 2009 23:23:02 GMT -5
I totally agree with everything k8ie and allergygal said. It's like they went into my head and wrote down exactly what I was thinking.. but in a much more articulate way than I ever could.
I am baffled when I hear complaints and moans about this episode. It truly was wonderful.
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