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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 9, 2009 22:55:30 GMT -5
Sarah is equally to blame. Her cold dismissal of anyone that wants to join the fight resulted in Ellison joining with Weaver and Derek's relationship with Jesse. Sarah seems to think Skynet is "her war" and her exclusive domain. That attitude bears fruit and bites her in the ass throughout these last episodes.
John (in the future) is the total opposite. He's a leader and organization builder. But, for now his momma is in charge.
Sarah's lone wolf approach worked when she was only trying to raise John and protect him. But, she's in a different fight and she has to work with other people. Finding the right person and putting him or her in the correct position is a key skill needed to build a fighting unit.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 9, 2009 23:07:08 GMT -5
Sarah is equally to blame. Her cold dismissal of anyone that wants to join the fight resulted in Ellison joining with Weaver and Derek's relationship with Jesse. Sarah seems to think Skynet is "her war" and her exclusive domain. That attitude bears fruit and will bite her in the ass throughout these last episodes. John (in the future) is the total opposite. He's a leader and organization builder. But, for now his momma is in charge. Sarah's lone wolf approach worked when she was only trying to raise John and protect him. But, she's in a different fight and she has to work with other people. First of all, I don't think it was a cold dismissal of Ellison. He didn't ask to join the fight, she didn't offer for him to join the fight. He asked what's next and she answered him. She is not the reason Ellison went to Weaver... those are his actions and he is responsible for them - not Sarah. Second of all, I can understand why Sarah would not invite Ellison to join the fight. If I was Sarah and was hunted by a man like Ellison and the rest of the FBI for two years... I wouldn't want to work with them. How would you know for sure you could trust them and they won't turn you in once you get back home? And third of all, Derek's relationship with Jesse has nothing to do with Sarah. Derek and Jesse had a relationship before Derek ever came back to the past and he is the one that pursued her and they picked up where they left off. It has nothing to do with Sarah except that Derek lied about who Jesse is to Sarah.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 9, 2009 23:21:23 GMT -5
Every character in this show is extremely dysfunctional. I see blame all around. Josh's commentary on the DVD is fascinating. There's a critical moment in What He Beheld where Charlie and Ellison had one chance to confide in each other. Josh explained that neither man could reach out to the other. Ellison led that team into a situation he wasn't prepared for. The consequences were the deaths of the FBI agents. Both men have to carry that guilt. Josh's commentary is fascinating to hear. TSCC is meticulously planned out. Josh is definitely steering the ship. I hope we get his commentary on the S2 dvd.
Josh has setup a similar dynamic in this season. These people are all off doing their own agendas. No ones talking or sharing information. There's no organization or structure. Josh recently said Skynet is going to strike back hard. It's obvious (to me) Jesse, Derek, Sarah and maybe even Weaver will pay the consequences.
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Post by schmacky on Mar 9, 2009 23:24:57 GMT -5
Every character in this show is extremely dysfunctional. I see blame all around. Josh's commentary on the DVD is fascinating. There's a critical moment in What He Beheld where Charlie and Ellison had one chance to confide in each other. Josh explained that neither man could reach out to the other. The consequences were the deaths of the FBI agents. Both men have to carry that guilt. Josh's commentary is fascinating to hear. Josh has setup a similar dynamic in this season. These people are all off doing their own agendas. No ones talking or sharing information. Josh recently said Skynet is going to strike back hard. It's obvious (to me) Jesse, Derek, Sarah and maybe even Weaver will pay the consequences. I agree that they all need to start talking to each other. But I don't think Sarah is responsible for Ellison going to Weaver. That was his sole decision. He lied and stole from Sarah & co. He back-stabbed them. She wasn't responsible for that. That is all on Ellison. And I don't see how Sarah is responsible for Derek and his relationship with Jesse. That one makes no sense. But you're right, every single person needs to share more information with each other.
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 9, 2009 23:36:30 GMT -5
Sarah is doing the best she can. She's managed to protect and train John all these years. That's a huge accomplishment. At some point, John will start leading and Sarah can focus on fighting. That's her destiny and what makes her a legend in the resistance.
Ellison has made a lot of mistakes and I'm sure there's consequences. Man, these final episodes are going to rock. ;D
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Post by schmacky on Mar 9, 2009 23:40:04 GMT -5
Sarah is doing the best she can. She's managed to protect and train John all these years. That's a huge accomplishment. At some point, John will start leading and Sarah can focus on fighting. That's her destiny and what makes her a legend in the resistance. Ellison has made a lot of mistakes and I'm sure there's consequences. Man, these final episodes are going to rock. ;D I really really really want John or Sarah or Derek or Cameron or whoever to find out that Ellison handed over Cromartie's body and I want an explanation from him. Ooh I want him to talk himself outta that. Because I don't think we really know the true reason he handed it over. Weaver said she was trying to reverse engineer so why would Ellison hand it over? And even if he did hand it over under false pretense, once he saw what was happening why didn't he saying anything? He's going along with it as if he doesn't know that in 4 years the world will blow up by a super computer. Grah! lol Maybe if *ahem* when we get a third season it'll focus more on John working more in a leadership role. Last season he was a kid. This season he "became a man." And next season maybe he'll start becoming that leader.
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Post by Hollow Crown on Mar 9, 2009 23:43:17 GMT -5
Sarah is doing the best she can. She's managed to protect and train John all these years. That's a huge accomplishment. At some point, John will start leading and Sarah can focus on fighting. That's her destiny and what makes her a legend in the resistance. Ellison has made a lot of mistakes and I'm sure there's consequences. Man, these final episodes are going to rock. ;D I really really really want John or Sarah or Derek or Cameron or whoever to find out that Ellison handed over Cromartie's body and I want an explanation from him. Ooh I want him to talk himself outta that. Because I don't think we really know the true reason he handed it over. Weaver said she was trying to reverse engineer so why would Ellison hand it over? And even if he did hand it over under false pretense, once he saw what was happening why didn't he saying anything? He's going along with it as if he doesn't know that in 4 years the world will blow up by a super computer. Grah! lol Maybe if *ahem* when we get a third season it'll focus more on John working more in a leadership role. Last season he was a kid. This season he "became a man." And next season maybe he'll start becoming that leader. Co-sign.
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Post by littleb on Mar 10, 2009 5:00:19 GMT -5
Sarah is doing the best she can. She's managed to protect and train John all these years. That's a huge accomplishment. She's also managed to track down a huge lead with the 3 dots. Yes, I know she got shot, then she got kidnapped and beat up because she headed out alone, but she's actively making progress. And she headed out alone because the rest of the gang dismissed her for chasing craziness. They now have a name: Kaliba, they know the company is foreign and making HK prototypes. They know it's related to something major because people don't go around kidnapping people, and murdering whole villages if they've got nothing to hide. I'm not sure what the rest of them have been doing, but it's not led to anything concrete. Her loop. Derek's now following up leads Sarah put into motion. That's when he's not in the shower with his duplicitious little frak-buddy. I hope John steps it up again. It was looking good for about a second there in Desert Cantos and then it went right back to square one when Riley popped back up. I hope this episode is more than him sitting about and moping, or tanting at Sarah. Wasn't he supposed to have some kind of retrospective master-plan? Something tells me humble pie and custard might be on the menu for the man. And not before time. What he did was beyond idiotic and continuing to play a part in it, just makes the man look daft. Maybe he can share a slice of pie with Derek when Jesse is revealed to be Evil. Hence the looking daft part. I reckon he's going to be looking to pull JH's plug just when JH has taken it out the socket himself and given a whole new meaning to the phrase "upwardly mobile." I'm still waiting to see the man. At the moment, I'm getting a lot of hormonal-teen vibes from John and not much in the way of manliness. "I made the call, live with it." Yeah, but you made the wrong call, doofus.
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Post by Erika on Mar 10, 2009 11:56:53 GMT -5
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Post by thecolours on Mar 10, 2009 12:07:47 GMT -5
Is it me, or are his eye white in that picture? Oh, and not a good thing to be shooting off plasama rifles in a submarine. lol
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Post by terrasj on Mar 10, 2009 17:06:26 GMT -5
Is it me, or are his eye white in that picture? Oh, and not a good thing to be shooting off plasama rifles in a submarine. lol Thats the white highlight / reflection of the eye lens. Theres obviously some bright set lighting nearby. He's got blue eyes actually. Nice pics Erika!
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Post by sgs on Mar 10, 2009 17:12:05 GMT -5
I posted this on the other Fox board:
Once again, I saw a preview for the upcoming episode, Today is the Day -- Part 1, on Canadian television station SPACE. Here's what I remember, because it happened so fast:
- starts with Weaver's daughter walking in on John Henry, who says "Would you like to play hide and seek?" - Cameron tells John that she didn't kill Riley, but John says something like "You've lied to me before", or "Sometimes you lie"...pretty much doubting her - you see Sarah in the shack looking at the parts Cameron has saved from previous T-888s, including an arm - Cameron appears to be looking in on Sarah and John's conversation in the same shack where Sarah is telling John that Cameron must have killed Riley and John responding "You don't know anything" - and here's the bit that took me aback at the very end of the commercial -- Cameron on a cell phone talking to John saying "I love you, John", but without an ounce of emotion. Just deadpan, very robot like.
If I see this again, I will add more.
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Post by Alexis on Mar 10, 2009 17:29:01 GMT -5
I posted this on the other Fox board: Once again, I saw a preview for the upcoming episode, Today is the Day -- Part 1, on Canadian television station SPACE. Here's what I remember, because it happened so fast: - starts with Weaver's daughter walking in on John Henry, who says "Would you like to play hide and seek?" - Cameron tells John that she didn't kill Riley, but John says something like "You've lied to me before", or "Sometimes you lie"...pretty much doubting her - you see Sarah in the shack looking at the parts Cameron has saved from previous T-888s, including an arm - Cameron appears to be looking in on Sarah and John's conversation in the same shack where Sarah is telling John that Cameron must have killed Riley and John responding "You don't know anything" - and here's the bit that took me aback at the very end of the commercial -- Cameron on a cell phone talking to John saying "I love you, John", but without an ounce of emotion. Just deadpan, very robot like. If I see this again, I will add more. OMFG!! Karma! and please, more details as soon as possible.
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Post by terrasj on Mar 10, 2009 17:43:02 GMT -5
Ditto that Alexis!
I've got the space channel also, but don't watch it much as I tune in on Fox for TSCC, argh, wish I had a video capture card so i could record it...
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Post by sgs on Mar 10, 2009 17:51:04 GMT -5
Ditto that Alexis!I've got the space channel also, but don't watch it much as I tune in on Fox for TSCC, argh, wish I had a video capture card so i could record it... I usually watch the show on FOX as well. SPACE is good for the show because they usually air a preview for the next episode right after the previous one airs. I miss that one, so I'm lucky if I catch it sometime on Tuesdays or Wednesdays. That's how I saw this one.
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