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Post by thecolours on Mar 15, 2009 23:02:15 GMT -5
I'm 90% certain it's a terminator in the box. But, it's not Cameron, nor is it Weaver. In the preview, Jesse said, "It has a message for John Connor." Jesse refers to terminators as "IT" She said this to Cameron, which rules her out.
And, I don't think it's Catherine Weaver in the box, either. Weaver strikes me as the leader type. She wouldn't put herself in a box to deliver a message to John Connor. She would find a terminator lackey to do that.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 16, 2009 0:04:16 GMT -5
Maybe its a clown head on a spring. LOL
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Post by terrasj on Mar 16, 2009 0:46:00 GMT -5
Well, technically, T1K's are liquid metal, in a semi-solid state, only their limbs actually harden when they form those into deadly melee weapons. Perhaps thats the metal on metal we're hearing, couple crew men fighting it, ducking the blows and attacks, and the metal clanging is the T1K's solid parts of itself hitting the metal walls... Just a thought there
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Post by aceplace57 on Mar 16, 2009 10:37:47 GMT -5
Wasn't the original T1000 a prototype sent back on a mission in T2? I always had the impression it was one of a kind, At least until TSCC created the Weaver character.
I don't think the resistance fighters know anything about liquid metal terminators. I'm not even sure Cameron does. It depends on when she was manufactured. She may have come online before they were developed.
Jesse and the crew will be in for quite a shock if a T-1000 is in the box.
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Post by timstuff on Mar 16, 2009 13:18:09 GMT -5
The T-1000 was a prototype, which would mean that Weaver (a T-1001) is the production model. The purpose of a prototype is to produce a preliminary model of what you expect to be able to manufacture. Since the T-1000 was a prototype, it means that Skynet had not yet begun full production of the 1000 series, but by the time we get to TSCC it looks like production on the 1000 series has gone underway. However, I imagine that the units are EXTREMELY resource demanding, since they not only utilize a specialized alloy but also have a much more complicated neural network. A T-1000 (or 1001, in Weaver's case) is essentially millions of tiny machines controlling liquid metal, and functioning together as a computer. The 1000 series terminators truly are more advanced than their mechanical counterparts in virtually every way, as I'm pretty sure that such a processing system is only in its infancy in real life. They are a truly revolutionary piece of technology.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 16, 2009 13:42:45 GMT -5
More like a near-magical piece of technology, much like time travel and warpdrive.
But anyway, the metal scraping sound could simply be the sounds from the crew opening the box - would be metal on metal too, presumably.
Weaver could easily be in the box, as we are supposed to learn her origin/backstory this season. Weaver is acting quite different from regular Terminators, and it may be she is neither (fully) Skynet controlled ("crossing against the light", remember?) nor doing anything for the resistance. What if Weaver was the result of an attempt by the resistance, or resistance-programmed Terminators, to produce a T1000 model programmed "right out of the box" (so to speak) to fight for the humans? Only, in that case it clearly went wrong, as it seems clear whatever is in the box will kill most of the crew of the Jimmy Carter (probably all but Jesse). Maybe the result of Resistance attempts to mess with a T1000 resulted in a self-directing Terminator, independant of both humans and Skynet, with its own views and goals. And maybe its goal is to make a new, improved and better Skynet.
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Post by t101 on Mar 16, 2009 14:14:35 GMT -5
And Skynet could actually be controlled by a malevolent alien invader so what's your point? We're dealing with what has already been shown in the movies and TSCC. We have never seen a Skynet controlled Terminator go against its programming. The Terminator in T1 suffered way more damage than Cameron and his programming wasn't corrupted. The T-1000 was frozen by liquid nitrogen and began glitching but it still continued its mission. Cromartie had his head blown off and he continued his mission. Stark was around for over 80 years and all he did was prepare for his mission. The only Terminators that have gone against their programming are the ones reprogrammed by the Resistance. 1) Cromartie went directly against Skynet's plans when it saved Ellison from another machine. It's rather ironic for something that you say is in such perfect control over its creations to end up defeating itself so. One failure right there. Who's to say another machine wont overthink its instructions in ways Skynet never imagined? 2) In at least one interpretation of T2 Skynet was preventing its terminators from learning too much and at the same time they did have the integral ability for it. A clear presence of the potential risk of a terminator developing beyond its programming. 3) Skynet can never know every single variable that a terminator may encounter. And therefore it will never be able to predict every single variation of how its creations may end up developing. As long as Skeynets terminators DO have the ability to learn and adapt the risk will always be there. I'm 90% certain it's a terminator in the box. But, it's not Cameron, nor is it Weaver. In the preview, Jesse said, " It has a message for John Connor." Jesse refers to terminators as " IT" She said this to Cameron, which rules her out. She said this to someone. And from how they usually edit scenes in the promo, it's not a fact she said this to Cameron.
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Post by wb5 on Mar 16, 2009 14:41:34 GMT -5
It is very likely not Cameron in the box though, because in the video that was shown by Ausiello, one of the sub crewmen is seen talking to Jesse, about "that little metal bitch that follows Connor everywhere". So, it looks like Cameron is already well-known to the resistance at this point, and she has been reprogrammed (or is with John, in any case).
I agree though that the "hell came out" was not necessarily spoken to Cameron in the future, though it could be so. To Derek or even John in the present is a good possibility as well, I think.
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Post by VALIANT CHAMPION on Mar 16, 2009 17:57:17 GMT -5
Okay. I just got back from going out. I think the box contains a CAPTURED liquid terminator. The intention was for it to come into John's possession where he could then reprogram it under controlled conditions.
By opening the box early the liquid terminator came to life and pursued its skynet programming.
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Post by vicheron on Mar 16, 2009 19:40:53 GMT -5
And Skynet could actually be controlled by a malevolent alien invader so what's your point? We're dealing with what has already been shown in the movies and TSCC. We have never seen a Skynet controlled Terminator go against its programming. The Terminator in T1 suffered way more damage than Cameron and his programming wasn't corrupted. The T-1000 was frozen by liquid nitrogen and began glitching but it still continued its mission. Cromartie had his head blown off and he continued his mission. Stark was around for over 80 years and all he did was prepare for his mission. The only Terminators that have gone against their programming are the ones reprogrammed by the Resistance. 1) Cromartie went directly against Skynet's plans when it saved Ellison from another machine. It's rather ironic for something that you say is in such perfect control over its creations to end up defeating itself so. One failure right there. Who's to say another machine wont overthink its instructions in ways Skynet never imagined? But we don't know if Cromartie was programmed to never go against Skynet's plans. All we know is that he's programmed to kill John Connor and he didn't go against that directive. In fact, it actually shows just how effective Skynet's programming is. Cromartie wasn't able to think for himself at all. He was programmed to kill John Connor and he couldn't go against that programming even if it meant interfering in Skynet's other plans. There is a potential risk but that risk is mitigated or perhaps even eliminated with the restrictions Skynet puts on its Terminators. Notice how even in the deleted scene, nothing was said about even a single Skynet programmed Terminator ever turning rogue. Just because there's a risk doesn't mean it'll happen. There's a risk that your computer monitor will fizzle out ten seconds after you read this post but the chances of that happening is extremely small because there are tons of factors that are preventing that from happening. No one is saying that there won't be risks but consider the stringent manufacturing and quality assurance standards we have. Skynet will likely have something far more effective since it won't be under the pressure of political lobbies and business interests. It will make sure that its control over the Terminators will be as high as possible and it will have contingencies for possible errors if those errors occur at a more than acceptable frequency.
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Post by terrasj on Mar 16, 2009 20:15:29 GMT -5
But we don't know if Cromartie was programmed to never go against Skynet's plans. All we know is that he's programmed to kill John Connor and he didn't go against that directive. In fact, it actually shows just how effective Skynet's programming is. Cromartie wasn't able to think for himself at all. He was programmed to kill John Connor and he couldn't go against that programming even if it meant interfering in Skynet's other plans. Except that Cromartie did disable the Ellison Terminator that SkyNet sent back to kill Ellison, since Cromartie still saw value in Ellison. So that directly crossed and negated one of SkyNet's own orders - terminate Mr. Ellison. Thats a judgement call Cromartie made all by himself, just one of many actually. Thats what made him dengerous. However, this thread isn't about Cromartie... so... Simple law of time and physics - any new development in the Terminator franchise can't be added retrospectively into the previous films. Again, we're going off topic from the episode discussion here. Thats where SkyNet is constantly learning, improving from its failures and actively fixing its mistakes. SkyNet can't do anything about the older units that already were produced and subverted, all it can do is continually take new active measures to actively prevent any more of its Terminators falling into the opposition's hands. That also keeps in context of this episode's discussion, what I said about a possible rogue faction, wanting to ally with John, delivering an important parcel, and SkyNet replacing that contact group with its own units for a surprise Trojan Horse. Also supports RossBondReturns speculation about the rogue faction sending a test gesture of trust towards the Resistance, if the Resistance can be trusted or not. "We come in Peace if you do" with the box contents to be opened by John only.
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Post by Alexis on Mar 16, 2009 22:43:26 GMT -5
Weaver could easily be in the box, as we are supposed to learn her origin/backstory this season. Weaver is acting quite different from regular Terminators, and it may be she is neither (fully) Skynet controlled ("crossing against the light", remember?) nor doing anything for the resistance. What if Weaver was the result of an attempt by the resistance, or resistance-programmed Terminators, to produce a T1000 model programmed "right out of the box" (so to speak) to fight for the humans? Only, in that case it clearly went wrong, as it seems clear whatever is in the box will kill most of the crew of the Jimmy Carter (probably all but Jesse). Maybe the result of Resistance attempts to mess with a T1000 resulted in a self-directing Terminator, independant of both humans and Skynet, with its own views and goals. And maybe its goal is to make a new, improved and better Skynet. Brilliant speculation! You deserve the karma! of the day.
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Post by gothamite66 on Mar 17, 2009 14:41:47 GMT -5
A new preview has been posted at the Production Blog. Interesting, very interesting.
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Post by littleb on Mar 17, 2009 15:00:30 GMT -5
A new preview has been posted at the Production Blog. Interesting, very interesting. Anyone else get the feeling Sarah's in for Yet Another Throttling? This show really should have an acronym list...
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Post by gothamite66 on Mar 17, 2009 15:06:15 GMT -5
She does seem to be provoking twitchy Cameron in a wicked kind of way.
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