02x21 Adam Raised a Cain

[allergygal]

Mar 30, 2009 12:37:12 GMT -5 aceplace57 said:

^ Oh yeah! I bet you're right about that being Weaver's house since they're protecting little Savannah. And that explains how they might run into Ellison and why Sarah ends up meeting with Weaver. But why do the Connors converge on Catherine's house in the first place? And why is Kaliba after her (I assume that's a Kaliba terminator since it's got that same khaki uniform)?

Wouldn't Ellison setup the Sarah/Weaver meeting first? They agree to work together (temporarily), and the Connors go to the house to protect Savannah.

I have a hard time believing the Connors would stumble across a connection to Savannah by accident. I guess the writers could find a way for the Connors to find Savannah on their own. But, it's going to be a little hard to swallow.

If Weaver knew or suspected an attack was coming, she wouldn't need any help protecting Savannah (if she even cared to!). Also, Ellison wouldn't even know how to find Sarah if he wanted to. I think the more likely scenario is that the Connors find some connection between Kaliba and Zeira Corp. Maybe one of the dead Kaliba guys has a hit list on him and it's got Catherine's address on it, they go to check it out and find a little girl all alone with Kaliba agents moving in for the kill. For whatever reason, Ellison shows up too (maybe Catherine sent him to pick up Savannah or something?). Big battle ensues, Sarah and Ellison talk afterwards and she finds out he works for Catherine Weaver. Sarah says "take me to see her," thinking if Weaver is also a target she must be an important player in all this.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Catherine attempts to get Sarah to align with her against Kaliba, but I don't see Sarah trusting Catherine, even thinking she's a human. Whatever happens in that meeting, it's not going to end well. John ends up very pissed off at Ellison (he probably finds out about Cromartie body) and somehow Sarah ends up in jail (?!).

[aceplace57]

Here's the Water Terminator in action. I wonder who the victim is?
These caps came from the wondercon video. The Terminator leaps onto the balcony and surprises her in the office.

So, what makes her so important? Why was a Terminator sent to kill her?
Jill Remez is credited as a Teacher
Austin Highsmith as Debbie are two new female credits in this episode

I'm not good with faces, but Jill Remez kind of looks like the lady that gets shot.
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Next screen cap, Derek comes into the same office moments later.
while Cameron deals with the Terminator.

This looks like the Zeira Corp bldg too me.

This guy could make a fortune in toothpaste commercials.

[wb5]

Mar 30, 2009 14:23:20 GMT -5 allergygal said:

Maybe one of the dead Kaliba guys has a hit list on him and it's got Catherine's address on it, they go to check it out and find a little girl all alone with Kaliba agents moving in for the kill. For whatever reason, Ellison shows up too (maybe Catherine sent him to pick up Savannah or something?). Big battle ensues, Sarah and Ellison talk afterwards and she finds out he works for Catherine Weaver. Sarah says "take me to see her," thinking if Weaver is also a target she must be an important player in all this.

Sounds good to me. Sarah may indeed not even suspect Weaver is not human when she meets her, this way. I hope it won't be Weaver who makes sure she gets busted by the cops; but then again, if she wanted to be rid of Sarah she'd probably just kill her.

[uncletobias]

I think Kaliba will tip off the cops to Sarah's location. It's the next best way to get her if they can't do it themselves. John will think Ellison did it and be pissed at him.

[littleb]

Mar 30, 2009 20:24:01 GMT -5 uncletobias said:

I think Kaliba will tip off the cops to Sarah's location. It's the next best way to get her if they can't do it themselves. John will think Ellison did it and be pissed at him.

One thing we don't know is exactly when Sarah gets arrested. John might be pissed at Ellison because he finds out about Ellison's Cromartie/JH betrayal, might be nothing to do with Sarah being nicked.

Wouldn't be surprised if the climax to this one is busting Sarah out of jail - looked like a lot of effort went into Cam shooting up the joint (if that's what she's doing on the spoiler reel) and she doesn't have the facial injuries in the clips with the water cooler dude. The meet between Sarah/Weaver might not be till the finale. If the Connors all head to save Savannah (possibly without even knowing about her Zeira connection) Sarah might be arrested as a result of that.

The trailer for this one could contain footage from the last two eps, it didn't seem as episode specific as previous ones have been.

[aceplace57]

I rewatched Mousetrap this week. Weaver's first interview with Ellison is very important. She mentions Sarah Connor and Cromartie's first attempt to kill John at his school in New Mexico eight years earlier. She reminds Ellison that it was his case. She also knows about the annihilation of Ellison's swat team.

The one thing we don't know for sure is whether Weaver knows about the time jump. Does she know Sarah and John are in 2008 LA? How surprised will she be when she finds out Ellison knows Sarah? How pissed off will she be at Ellison? You really don't want to make a T-1000 angry.

I think this episode will deal with the Water Terminator, Savannah, and the attack on Weaver's organization. There should be a side story about John Henry too that's not in the previews. Sarah's arrest will probably be in the closing scenes. It's just a guess. The show has surprised me before.

[knownbeforetime]

Sarah does get arrested in this ep per the promo pics. There one of John and Cam standing in front of an electronics store watching the breaking news story.

[Erika]

Spoiler clip....

[aceplace57]

I'd completely forgotten that John had seen Savannah before. I wonder what happens if he runs into Weaver? Will she ignore the kill "John Connor on sight" orders embedded in her programming?

[vicheron]

I think that Catherine Weaver knows or at least suspects that Ellison has had contact with the Connors. She can't really think that Ellison managed to kill Cromartie by himself.

[timstuff]

The question is, whether or not killing John would be of use to Weaver's ultimate agenda. Skynet wants John Connor dead at all costs, but the rogues have their own plans, and they don't necessarily include the extermination of humans, and that means that John is not necessarily an immediate threat to Weaver. If she decides that the Connors are useful, it's possible that she may form a loose alliance with them.

[allergygal]

Mar 31, 2009 22:53:20 GMT -5 timstuff said:

The question is, whether or not killing John would be of use to Weaver's ultimate agenda. Skynet wants John Connor dead at all costs, but the rogues have their own plans, and they don't necessarily include the extermination of humans, and that means that John is not necessarily an immediate threat to Weaver. If she decides that the Connors are useful, it's possible that she may form a loose alliance with them.

Well, Weaver may try to form an alliance. Whether or not the Connors would be open to that is another question entirely. I kind of think the answer would be no.

[rossbondreturns]

Which in turn might make Catherine reconsider her overall answer of Yes in helping to stop Skynet.

Which would once again mean Team Connor has once again (unknowingly) furthered the Assisted Suicide of the human race.

Go Team Connor!

Yay!

[allergygal]

I could see John thinking it's a good idea since he's got a soft spot for metal, but not Sarah.

[littleb]

Apr 1, 2009 13:18:15 GMT -5 allergygal said:

I could see John thinking it's a good idea since he's got a soft spot for metal, but not Sarah.

Sarah made me laugh in Desert Cantos with her "I hate Skynet" declaration. No grey areas with this issue. Skynet = Evil. Simplistic maybe, but she has no evidence -to date - to suggest they're anything other than evil, and they have tried to kill her and her kid quite a few times.