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Post by jcm on Dec 9, 2008 21:35:16 GMT -5
That wouldn't prevent her from having various fantasies involving Riley's demise. <g>
Of course if she were to videotape Jesse and Riley talking about Judgement Day, etc....well, I think it would be safe to say that (1) both Derek and John would be pissed and (2) Cameron could derive some personal satisfaction (without it being too obvious) of not having to deal with Riley anytime soon afterwards. <g>
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Post by terrasj on Dec 9, 2008 22:34:41 GMT -5
Hmm, 2x12, Lauren and the lesbian remark, now a Riley/Jesse possibility? Ok, I'm amused now Could be the writers are just having a bit of fun with us there. Then again, who knows how early back Jesse came back to the present, how long she's had / been in contact with Riley, and how did Jesse get Riley to dupe John for her? Jesse's enjoying spending money on herself, maybe too much to dote some onto Riley. I don't wanna go offtopic here, so I guess its best left til we watch the episode and all will be revealed I'd like to see how this Cameron Riley confrontation pans out... With our luck, it'll be a mid-season cliffhanger, leaving the resolve after the holiday break...
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Post by allergygal on Dec 11, 2008 14:20:27 GMT -5
I'm quite intrigued by the "are they dreams or memories" comment from the promo. It would be so cool if the 3-dots thing somehow ties into Sarah's past, specifically her time in Pescadero. That could certainly be a time she's got some fuzzy or blocked memories about. Interesting that John just mentioned his foster parents to Riley in Self Made Man. The last time that was brought up was in the pivotal Demon Hand, where we also learned about Sarah giving up her parental rights. In Complications, we got the dreams that seemed to show her concern over John being cared for by others. I feel like it all fits.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 11, 2008 22:21:34 GMT -5
The "dreams or memories" bit relates to the UFO abduction phenomena. A lot of UFO abductees don't even realize they've had the experience until they start remembering things they never thought they knew. Or they start having weird dreams - like Sarah. So that's almost certainly what the UFO enthusiast in the promo is asking Sarah. I doubt Sarah will buy into the UFO concept - she's a bit hardheaded about some things.
OTOH, one of the theories about UFOs is that they are indeed time travelers. So maybe Sarah is going to get suckered into thinking that UFOs are a Skynet plot from the future. That would lead directly to her going off the deep end because there is so much weird stuff going on in UFOlogy that an already slightly deranged person like her really shouldn't get involved. John Keel used to tell me that once you get into this stuff, if you're a suggestible person, it's not hard to get totally paranoid and lose it completely - which Sarah already is.
The promo suggests that Cameron is starting to get suspicious of Riley - which is great, I've been wondering when and how that would happen. John warns her off. That's going to be ignored, since Cameron doesn't obey John's orders and definitely will follow her own will on that score. That could lead to Cameron and/or Sarah's becoming aware of Jesse.
And that might lead to the confrontation we see where Sarah is asking "Who are you?" which might be with Jesse.
And that will bode major ill for Derek, who's kept Jesse a secret from the Connors all this time - for no known reason, by the way. I can understand why he never revealed to Jesse that he was with the Connors, but why he never revealed Jesse to the Connors has never been explained.
In any event, once Sarah finds out about Jesse, Derek is in really big trouble - unless somehow Sarah never discovers Jesse's name and links it to Moishe's comment and Derek's previous lie about the name Jesse.
Which also makes me wonder. If Cameron knew where Derek's safe house was, why wouldn't she know who the members of Derek's team were? She knew every detail of Derek when asked in season one. She knew his team had "seen her before". Why wouldn't she know their names and specialties? And thus know that there was no "Jesse" at the safehouse.
Re-watching the promo, Riley explicitly says to Jesse, "I need you. We can be together." That REALLY sounds like either some desperate play by Riley for Jesse to be a "mother figure" - or they're in a lesbian relationship. If the latter, that really is going to play hob with John's head. If the former, it sort of explains how Jesse was able to turn Riley into her asset.
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Post by Alexis on Dec 12, 2008 1:46:13 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I'm new What do you think about Ellison teaching the 10 Commandments to John Henry? Am I the only one that thinks it's a VERY bad idea? Since I watched 'Strange Things Happen...' I started to imagine the consequences of teaching a machine the 10 Commandments as the primary rules to be universally followed, and I concluded that that might be the key to understand why John Henry turn into 'an avenging Angel', who punishes the mankind for their sins. What could happen if John Henry stop asking Ellison 'Am I a God's child?' and starts wandering 'Am I God?', 'should I punish them?'? So, I bet that's gonna be the beginning of the end: Judgment Day approaching!! Greetings!
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Post by schmacky on Dec 12, 2008 2:23:18 GMT -5
So I noticed that the 3 dots in Automatic for the People sarahconnorsociety.net/photogallery/displayimage.php?pid=37333&fullsize=1 are not the same dots in Complications sarahconnorsociety.net/photogallery/displayimage.php?pid=49000&fullsize=1At first I thought it was a continuity error. Maybe during AFTP they didn't yet think of the 3 dot theory but now I don't think so. I think Sarah is seriously losing it. She was seeing the 3 dots everywhere, obsessing over it, she's sleep walking.. she just perceived those 3 smudges as the "3 dots" It would make sense why both John and Derek aren't backing her up on the dots. When they look at the Bloody Wall, they see the 3 smudges from AFTP, not the 3 dots from Complications. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's either one of the two. and on a sidenote, the 3 dots from Complications.. I find it interesting that two out of the 3 dots are dripping. Maybe it means something, but then again, maybe it doesn't.
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 12, 2008 2:33:21 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I'm new What do you think about Ellison teaching the 10 Commandments to John Henry? Am I the only one that thinks it's a VERY bad idea? <snip> So, I bet that's gonna be the beginning of the end: Judgment Day approaching!! Greetings! Hi Alexis! Welcome to The Sarah Connor Society. ;D It's always great to see new members. I agree trying to teach John Henry almost anything is a risk. It's almost impossible to predict how an A.I. will comprehend the value of life, murder, lying and so forth. John Henry may interpret these rules very literally. How will he react if a human lies to him? John Henry is taught, "thou shall not kill". How will he react if a human breaks that rule and tries to shut him down? I think Humans will be responsible for making John Henry evil. Someone will try to shut him down (probably Ellison or possibly Sarah) and that will change John Henry forever. Computers evaluate things literally as True, False -- ones and zeros. Humans lie true. Human tries to kill true, Human is threat to A.I. true Must Eliminate threat to A.I. true That starts the events for J Day Ellison begins training John Henry in this Episode. I'm looking forward to seeing how the A.I. reacts. Ellison's attitude will certainly be shaped by his prior negative experiences with Cromartie. It will be hard for Ellison to push aside his distrust of Cromartie and see John Henry as a new A.I.
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Post by richardstevenhack on Dec 12, 2008 8:22:28 GMT -5
I agree that having Ellison set there and try to teach religion - and just HIS own religion, not comparative religion - is a nightmare which once again establishes for me that Ellison is a complete idiot. Even as a Christian, he should know better than to try to push his faith on a machine. It's just outright stupid. I suspect that Josh has a bad end in mind for Ellison at some point - or at the very least a crisis in conscience if he realizes he's contributed to the coming of Judgment Day. By his own belief system, that will probably nearly destroy him to realize that he did in fact do "the Devil's Work". Not to mention being utterly suckered by Terminator Weaver. Personally, I look forward to Cameron or even Sarah blowing him away some day. But that's just me. I don't like FBI agents. ;D But remember, Josh just said we STILL haven't seen the death of a major character of the show that he told us would happen. He hinted in his recent statement that Cromartie's death was NOT the main death that would occur: The Connors will continue their fight against SkyNet on a new night, and creator Josh Friedman says “that a lot of the things revealed in the first 13 episodes will absolutely be paid off in the back nine.” That includes Cameron (Summer Glau) and her mechanical defects, the romance between John ( Thomas Dekker) and Riley ( Leven Rambin) and the death of a major character before season’s end. So I suspect Ellison is not going to survive this season. But I had the same concern about over-using religion in "Samson and Delilah" when Cameron asked Sarah about the Resurrection myth, and later when she established that she had memorized the Bible. However, I did notice that Cameron herself made no statement indicating she was capable of believing any of that stuff other than as contributions to her understanding of humans and their relationship with death - and possibly her own concerns about her own survival. In fact, I think the fact that she was glitched this season was done more to lead people to become aware of her concerns about her own survival more than merely to make her seem more dangerous in general. The glitches lead us to clues about her motivations and her personal agenda beyond merely protecting John Connor. They enabled some serious character development for her. But I do hope we've seen the last of any serious glitches in her performance and that we won't see her going off down some emotional pathway like Skynet might as a result of them. By the way, looking at that bloody wall picture above, anybody notice that those "three dots" are right next to the Greenway word? If I was Sarah, I'd be interested in what connection those dots might have to the Serrano Point nuclear incident, rather than treating them as something entirely separate. There's nothing else near them except Greenway. It sure looks to me like it has something to do with that incident, if they have any meaning at all.
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Post by t101 on Dec 12, 2008 9:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 12, 2008 12:09:42 GMT -5
More hints about the Riley / Jesse story. It seems almost certain that Riley is from the future. All that talk about never seeing autumn seems pretty conclusive. John has his Season 1 hair. I wonder why Riley waited a year to approach him? It's fortunate that Riley had a year to assimilate before approaching John. She was acting too strange in this clip. Kind of like Derek after he first time jumped. It takes awhile to shift from a post apocalyptic world to 2007 hmm, that motorcyclist seems very small framed. Perhaps a certain Aussie woman? ;D Haven't we seen this motorcyclist in black before? Maybe it was last August when fox was running preseason promos?
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Post by thecolours on Dec 12, 2008 12:32:54 GMT -5
I noticed how both them jumped when they heard the dog barking. Their still suffering from PTSD. I always held out the small possibility that Jesse might have been a gray, but I doubt that now.
One question I have been wondering since Complications. How did Jesse know which high school John was attending? Was she tracking Derek the whole time he was living at the safe house, and eventually that led her to John? Or was she tipped off by someone in the future to his whereabouts in 2007?
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Post by schmacky on Dec 12, 2008 12:38:03 GMT -5
More hints about the Riley / Jesse story. It seems almost certain that Riley is from the future. All that talk about never seeing autumn seems pretty conclusive. John has his Season 1 hair. I wonder why Riley waited a year to approach him? Actually, I believe it was only a month and a half from when John started HS to Riley talking to him.
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Post by aceplace57 on Dec 12, 2008 12:43:02 GMT -5
a month and a half? Riley wasn't in Season 1. Granted the timeline in this show is totally screwed up. We really don't know how much 'real' time passed in S1. Didn't John start a new school year Season 2? One question I have been wondering since Complications. How did Jesse know which high school John was attending? Was she tracking Derek the whole time he was living at the safe house, and eventually that led her to John? Or was she tipped off by someone in the future to his whereabouts in 2007? Very good point. Cromartie couldn't track John down (until Jody helped him). So how in the heck did Jesse do it? Unless, she followed Derek.
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Post by schmacky on Dec 12, 2008 14:05:12 GMT -5
a month and a half? Riley wasn't in Season 1. Granted the timeline in this show is totally screwed up. We really don't know how much 'real' time passed in S1. Didn't John start a new school year Season 2? I may be wrong but according to the preview clip, Riley was in season 1 but we just never saw her. John didn't start a new school year in S2. Season 2 started in the beginning of November.. that would be the same school year from S1.
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Post by theturk on Dec 12, 2008 15:43:44 GMT -5
Correct. The implication (made even more clear later when Riley refers to a particular incident at the school) is that Riley was actually in part of season one, watching John and waiting for the appropriate time to make her move.
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