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Post by hobs202 on Oct 25, 2008 19:41:55 GMT -5
Have we already deduced that in the "Brothers of Nablus" Ellison breaks into Weaver's basement and sees what's going on? Weaver catches him, reveals her T-1001ish nature to him and tries to kill him, but Ellison escapes which is why he's meeting with Sarah in this episode. I'm sort of behind with what the board's current theories are.
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Post by rossbondreturns on Oct 25, 2008 20:52:00 GMT -5
First time I'd heard that possibility myself but it's interesting nonetheless.
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Post by ga5speed02 on Oct 25, 2008 22:44:30 GMT -5
everyone has posted good theories. but i have a question. if some of you think Cromartie is going to die in this episode, then in reading the Brothers of Nablus spoiler thread, who dies in that one lol?
im not much inot spoilers but this forum has got me hooked, wondering and excited
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Post by wb5 on Oct 26, 2008 5:16:54 GMT -5
everyone has posted good theories. but i have a question. if some of you think Cromartie is going to die in this episode, then in reading the Brothers of Nablus spoiler thread, who dies in that one lol? No one needs to die in "Brothers of Nablus". There is supposed to be a big character dying this season, and the recently released promo "promises" a death in the next 4 episodes, but nothing says this has to happen in the first of those 4. Going by the description of the episode "John and Riley's impromptu trip to Mexico leads to deadly consequences", the death may well be in "Mr Ferguson is ill today". Allthough one wonders what the climax of those 4 episodes is supposed to be then - Weaver may come in here. If it is Cromartie that "dies", Weaver may still be able to get some use out of him, as it appears he may not get destroyed in a very thorough matter. IIRC Shirley Manson said in an interview that she has a scene with Ellison and Chromartie in it, later in the season (and she does something nasty in that scene, apparently). Possibly, Ellison decides to bring her the result of his robothunt on instructions of the Connors, if they have any inkling about Weaver's T1001 nature by then. The "impromptu" part seems to give the impression that John and Riley indeed need to run from danger, not that they are just running away. In "Brothers of Nablus", Sarah and co are supposed to go after the thieves that stole things from their house; I'm guessing that John stays home and gets surprised by Chromartie. Xone93; thanks for the link to the missing pic. |
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Post by chrisimo on Oct 26, 2008 12:21:48 GMT -5
Cromartie looks odd in the t-shirt promo shot. Cromartie always stands ramrod straight with perfect posture. He's slouching in this promo. I wonder if he's already damaged? The Virgin 1footage revealed a Cromartie FX dummy that was buried in straw covered dirt. Perhaps it was a dirt stable floor or a stock pen? That would fit nicely with these rural Mexico shots. This shot looks like if fits with this episode. But Cromartie is dressed differently.  This fits perfectly with the church shootout that is shown in the trailer for november. He wears the same clothes there. Regarding a death in EP7: imdb.com shows every major character to be involved in EP8 so if imdb is to be trusted then no one is going to die in EP7. |
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Post by ga5speed02 on Oct 26, 2008 21:58:02 GMT -5
No one needs to die in "Brothers of Nablus". There is supposed to be a big character dying this season, and the recently released promo "promises" a death in the next 4 episodes, but nothing says this has to happen in the first of those 4. oh ok. i guess i misunderstood the promo. thanks for clearing that up  |
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Post by richardstevenhack on Oct 31, 2008 4:41:23 GMT -5
The theory that Cromartie gets either destroyed or resurrected has a problem I just noticed. I don't see any significant damage on that dummy they made - other than it's just from the waist up. And that could be because they didn't need to show the entire dummy because it's half buried - so they didn't build a full one. I think they may have even said that in the video.
And if that's true, where's the damage that destroyed Cromartie? He got his entire flesh and his head blown off in the pilot and he still came back. So what puts him down almost fully intact?
If the Connors get his chip out, fine. But then, what about the "leave no piece intact" SOP they follow? They had to leave the nuclear plant Terminator in a barrel because they couldn't get him out of there (theoretically I don't see why not, but whatever), but if they start leaving these things lying around, somebody's going to find one.
(What they SHOULD be doing is REVEALING these dead Terminators for the cops and the Feds to find, but that's just me. ;D It's Skynet that has more to lose than the Connors if that happens.)
I think the "impromptu" visit to Mexico indicates that John and Riley are just taking off to "get away from it all" - to quote Cameron in that other clip - although where John figures to get the money for a motel room when Sarah gave him a bag lunch instead of money for school lunch in season one is beyond me! ;D
But with Cromartie on their trail courtesy of Jody (I KNEW Cameron should have killed that slut!), that will bring the rest of the crew down. Since Cromartie is supposed to be getting close to John in the episode and another Terminator is threatening Ellison - that would be the Ellison clone we saw in the other clip - presumably Sarah and Derek and Cameron save Ellison, then they all find out about John taking off and go tearing after them. That would explain them all being together in Mexico.
The other problem with Cromartie being the one who "dies" is that Josh intimated that whoever dies would stay dead (although you can't trust him on that!) And if Cromartie is "dug up" for some purpose later, I suppose that is technically true while still leaving Garrett under contract - or at least a dummy of him!
But if Cromartie is the one who dies, that makes me feel better about the concept I had that Cameron would be the one delivered to Weaver to make Skynet. I don't know how Weaver could use Cromartie to make Skynet, but maybe that's the intention. Maybe she just needs a Terminator to make "The Turk" have less of a sense of humor and be more aggressive. At the moment, "The Turk" doesn't look much like a Skynet seed.
I also don't know what "something nasty" Weaver could do with Cromartie that anybody would really care about, given that Cromartie is one of the two main villains in the piece. You'd think it would have to be done to an innocent civilian or one of the Connor team to be really "nasty".
Unless we're talking "Terminator sex"! ;D ;D ;D How about them apples? Weaver and Cromartie hook up while John still can't get a date! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ga5speed02 on Oct 31, 2008 17:50:59 GMT -5
Unless we're talking "Terminator sex"! ;D ;D ;D How about them apples? Weaver and Cromartie hook up while John still can't get a date! ;D ;D ;D LOL |
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Post by richardstevenhack on Nov 4, 2008 5:46:27 GMT -5
Just saw the promo for episode 8 which is on YouTube here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Qkw_X8utwAm I wrong or is that Cameron and John lying on a bed together with her in hot pants and boots - her "seduction array" from the bar scene - saying, "Being John Connor can be lonely"! Looks like Cameron decided to repair their relationship a little sooner than I thought! I think Riley is going out the door pretty soon. She may have kissed John (on the cheek, heh) in this episode, but there's no way she's competing with a "pro" like Cameron! And somebody falls out of the back of a car - looked like Sarah - and that person appears to be wearing the same clothes as the person who falls during the gun battle. During the gun fight, Cameron comes in behind Cromartie with a shotgun. Is this a replay of the final gun fight in "Scarface" where Al Pacino gets gunned down from the back by an assassin's shotgun after being riddled with bullets from the front? I'd wonder how that works since we know guns pretty much are worthless against Terminators unless they are armor piercing explosive rounds of .50 caliber or higher. You can shoot Cromartie all day with an M-16 and you'd be wasting your ammo - although you would mess up his ability to "blend" for a couple days until he heals up. |
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Post by Ronnie on Nov 4, 2008 12:23:54 GMT -5
Just saw the promo for episode 8 which is on YouTube here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Qkw_X8utwAm I wrong or is that Cameron and John lying on a bed together with her in hot pants and boots - her "seduction array" from the bar scene - saying, "Being John Connor can be lonely"! Looks like Cameron decided to repair their relationship a little sooner than I thought! I think Riley is going out the door pretty soon. She may have kissed John (on the cheek, heh) in this episode, but there's no way she's competing with a "pro" like Cameron! Cameron is definitely trying to get John to warm up to her, but I don't think he will fall for it, at least that fast. You never know, "At least she didn't try to kill me.."  And somebody falls out of the back of a car - looked like Sarah - and that person appears to be wearing the same clothes as the person who falls during the gun battle. Sarah falls off the back of Cromartie's car, and later is shown rolling to the side of a window she was shooting through at the "chapel" or wherever they are, probably to avoid Cromartie's gun fire, as he has two automatics pointed to the upper level where they are shooting from. It definitely looks like Cromartie is the one that falls. He is being assaulted by Sarah, Derek, Cameron, and possibly even Ellison and John. |
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Post by aceplace57 on Nov 4, 2008 13:53:37 GMT -5
Have we already deduced that in the "Brothers of Nablus" Ellison breaks into Weaver's basement and sees what's going on? Weaver catches him, reveals her T-1001ish nature to him and tries to kill him, but Ellison escapes which is why he's meeting with Sarah in this episode. I'm sort of behind with what the board's current theories are. Actually there's nothing to see in the basement. The Turk looks like any other mini computer. We had four clustered Vax VAX-11/785 mainframes running VMS that weren't much bigger in our operations center. I can't help but laugh at the shows handling of the Turk. It really shows little knowledge of computers or networking. Weaver would install the Turk in the middle of her corporations operations center. Let it blend in with the other mainframes, servers, drive racks, line printers etc. The guy doing the Turk's testing/training could be in a office anywhere in the building. That's the whole point in networking. Creating a basement center with special security does nothing except scream "I'm important, look at me!" to everyone that works in the building. The Turk can easily hide in plain sight. |
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Post by traitorsgate on Nov 4, 2008 15:44:02 GMT -5
"Being John Connor can be lonely."
How any self-respecting writer could possibly come up with such an appallingly naff line is beyond me. I can only hope that within the context of the episode that it doesn't come out as some sort of pithy Mills & Boon Clanger.
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Post by chrisimo on Nov 4, 2008 15:48:07 GMT -5
Am I wrong or is that Cameron and John lying on a bed together with her in hot pants and boots - her "seduction array" from the bar scene - saying, "Being John Connor can be lonely"! Looks like Cameron decided to repair their relationship a little sooner than I thought! Maybe she tries to get rid of Riley without killing her because she is a security risk as she puts it. |
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Post by notalwaysnice on Nov 4, 2008 17:46:15 GMT -5
Hello, everyone!
I sure hope-to-heavens that Riley is about to become a footnote to the Terminator tales. I don't care if John shares emotional conflicts with the teens of the world. He's John Connor, the leader of the revolution against The Machines! He broke his Mother out of an asylum at 12-years old. I don't need to be hearing a Beastie Boys anthem, or Fresh Prince lyrics, in my head, as he bitches to his cool girlfriend about his 'weird' Mom.
I'm sick to death of Emo John and his quest to just be a normal kid. Maybe when he sees his precious Riley's neck snapped by Cromartie, he'll begin to morph into his future self? It also bears the bonus fruit of driving him closer to Cameron. ("I love you, John...and you love me!") Lord knows that chemistry was 1,000 times more engaging than the One Tree Terminator direction, of John with his 'normal' girl. KILL RILEY NOW!
(We could certainly use more screen time for Summer Glau anyway. Lately, she has been little more than a prop...a weapon that speaks English, and looks amazing.)
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Post by airofina on Nov 4, 2008 21:30:29 GMT -5
In the scene where John is walking toward the camera and Cameron and Derek are in the background (picture's below)- it looks to me like John's crying or getting teary eyed.. I guess it could be the youtube video but his eyes look red to me.. Also in that same scene Cameron's holding something, my guess is that its a shovel. It looks like its made of wood and it has a hole through it. This could mean that they did bury Cromartie.. but why John looks like he's crying... maybe something happened to Riley.. If you listen about half way through the video isn't that John screaming Riley's name? The scene with Cameron and John in bed could be the end of the episode if something really did happen to Riley. This could explain the "Being John Connor can be lonely." Cameron could be trying to comfort him.. Anyways, thats my take on it  |
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