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Post by stealthgear on Nov 11, 2008 0:11:52 GMT -5
OK. So best episode in awhile. They used multiple POV to create a singlular puzzle, instead of a mash of seperate stories.
I loved it when Chromartie started shooting everyone in the police station. Ohhh yeaaa! I was waiting for the mexican guy to ask "Beast Wizard?" and get his head blown off LOL. Oh well.
Bed scene + Jacuzzi scene with female characters. Who wouldn't want to go on vacation if they had that one chance in their lifetime? You can't blame him. Cmon Mom, its okay.
I liked Chromartie in this one. I'm sad that he's gone though...from the glowing eyes in the bathtub scene, and the first episode classroom, it doesn't seem so long ago now. Don't forget the whole ski mask leather jacket thing either.
I had some dread in the first moments of the show, with the title "Sarah's POV" I thought they were going back to the Sarkissian junk, but it was great instead. Even if they edited this episode down to not repeat timeline segments it would have been okay, because its kind of like total mayhem w/ a chase scene.
Okay, so what would be more crazy? A John and Riley sex episode or maybe Cameron allowing John to have a physical relationship with her? I am pretty sure John & Riley haven't done anything, I don't want this show to be like X-files where you go back later and the writers are like oh yea they did it that one time, we just didn't show it. They should create a weird love story in another episode maybe. They just have the beginnings of it now.
If I had to rate this one, I'd say...88% Points off for killing Chromartie, Derek just being around to shoot him, and it needed an Ellison revelation at the end...where he would be like "yea guys I'm going to fight with you now."
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Post by terrasj on Nov 11, 2008 0:27:28 GMT -5
22) And we get a Desperado style shootout that ends with Cromartie's death. I knew that was gonna be the character that died. He couldn't keep failing or he'd get to be Wile E. Terminator, Supah Geneyus. But I have to wonder what the hell type of weapon Cameron used to smash open his skull. Something very high powered. Why do I have a feeling this isn't the last we'll see of Cromartie? Even if he is just a rusted wreck next time. Franchi SPAS-12 Shotgun - Wiki articleBut I've no clue if the shells/slugs are that powerful or what... (or were the shells home-brewed by Connors & co) Or if the FX guys are making this Coltran high heat resistant but softer than the standard metal alloys in the previous T-800's ... I quote & correct myself  Ok, I managed to catch a 2nd viewing on the Fox Spokane station (on digital cable)... visual quality was poorer, but I think I made an error in identifying the correct model of shotgun. There was like all of 5 seconds worth to show it... I think it was closer to a Remington 1100 Tactical Shotgun or a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 Might've been a more common 870.... A screen capture would be helpful. Cookie goes to the person who can grab that screenshot  |
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Post by jdub87 on Nov 11, 2008 0:33:31 GMT -5
I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's show. Not much to say beyond 10/10!
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Post by metroid13 on Nov 11, 2008 0:36:12 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed that he has some sort of mental illness that prevents him from perceiving the consequences of his actions. I really wouldn't.
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Post by stealthgear on Nov 11, 2008 0:49:59 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed that he has some sort of mental illness that prevents him from perceiving the consequences of his actions. I really wouldn't. He might have PTSD resulting from events in T2 or earlier episodes. Other than that he is just a teen. Kids really don't perceive consequences of their actions when the opposite sex is involved. |
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Post by aceplace57 on Nov 11, 2008 1:17:29 GMT -5
R.I.P. Cromartie
The show won't be the same without it's best villain.
I wonder who will chase John Connor around now?
Weaver seems to have bigger fish to fry than Johnny boy.
to quote Ricky Ricardo -- John, you got some 'splainin' to do.
Sarah and Riley both have lots of questions for Johnny boy.
I'm probably in the minority, but I love Riley/John together. John needs someone in his life that sees him as a person and not the great savior of mankind. Riley has seen the danger. She can decide if it's worth being in John's life. I hope their relationship continues.
Overall, a very good episode.
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Post by vicheron on Nov 11, 2008 1:23:18 GMT -5
John really fraked things up this time. Not telling anyone about Cromartie's visit was just incredibly irresponsible. A little talk from Cameron is clearly not enough. They need to smack the stupid out of him.
Cromartie isn't dead. They just smashed up his chip, it's not completely destroyed. A little duck tape and some crazy glue and it'll be as good as new. Miles Dyson managed to invent the neural net processor with only half of the original Terminator's chip as a template, Catherine could probably do a lot with just some of those pieces.
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Post by sarah on Nov 11, 2008 1:53:23 GMT -5
Everybody's angry at John for his actions in this episode --which kinda surprises me. Was it irresponsible to runaway? Yes! But I'm not sure it did backfire, frankly. Sulking obediently in his room while Mommy's doing her thing downstairs and Cameron went off on a supply run would've gotten him killed by Cromartie in the first 5 minutes of the episode. Sarah and the others mighta gotten killed too if Chrome was in the mood but definitely we'd say goodbye to the last hope of mankind. :/ Then there'd be nicer things to say on his epitaph "good kid" being one of them but what'd be the point? John has been impulsive several times in the series so far. Each time has had its dangers but he's pulled through everytime. S1: John running off to get Charley saved Derek's life and Sarah from blowing their cover. John jumping onto the coltan truck allowed them to destroy a supply that could build 500 or so terminators. John inserting Vick's chip into Cameron allowed them to undermine Skynet's future 'eyes'. S2: John saving/trusting Cameron resulted in her successful reprogramming (she's saved their lives since). John evading Cameron in episode 3 resulted in his escaping and successfully water-logging Cromartie all on his own, while the adults ineffeciently wasted a human life in their conviction that only they could protect him. John blowing his cover in front of the Ep5 Terminator saved Bedell's life. John getting restless and running for a break in this episode resulted in saving his (and the gang's) life and in the final destruction of Cromartie. It's been messy every time but he's learning something in the way of independance. A skill he'll desperately need as top leader, mythic figurehead, scrappy fighter against doomsday machines etc. I think John has been moving in the right direction and I hope he continues to prove that, although he's a teen with issues, he's not worthless and it is time for him to be allowed to make some decisions for himself. Finally, I'd like to congratulate John on being so fast to detect Cromartie's deception once again (imitation of Sarah). I'd also like to congratulate him on busting himself and Riley out of the jail on his own (not unlike Sarah escaping the asylum as they were coming for her) and having the upper hand in the rescue of Sarah from the trunk. He did not lose his cool and he seemed to show promise among the chaos IMO. (Vote John Connor ....'11 ) |
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Post by t101 on Nov 11, 2008 2:05:49 GMT -5
- Was John pushing it with Riley a little or what? He got them the honeymoon sweet and everything and she wasn't really that comfortable.
- Sarah knows now that Cameron messed more than previously thought. I wonder if she wont leave that be.
- The consequences of Sarah's mercy came back to bite her. Will that make her a little darker?
- John had a little more dimensions this time around. At least it seemed he was thinking even if he did do the wrong thing, at least something seemed to be clicking in his head.
- I suppose Cameron actually would feel heat since terminators can sweat and have bad breath, etc. And again we see hints that John is lonely in the future unlike she said in the pilot. Perhaps she's his only friend. Cameron stands for everything John has to face in the future and that scares him. Interesting to see her overconfident in her ability to influence him. And she seems to believe in him, "He always listens."
- I think Ellison will lead CW to Cromartie's body before the Connors can burn it. It seems like he isn't satisfied with just walking away. Sarah Connor promised him nothing more beyond the curtain. Notice how that contrasts with CW who offers him some sense of purpose.
- I will miss Cromartie he is by far the best nemesis on the show. This is really the kind of terminator we need more of.
- Riley... Alright she has a role to play I suppose. But please lets not have her take up arms and become some kind of bigger part of things. She the contrast to Cameron and Sarah, let her stay that. "I don't want to run away from you, John!" Boo...
I think it's just his deduction. Cameron made uncharacteristic mistakes therefore she must be damaged.
A happy coincidence. But how many can they afford to pull?
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Post by vicheron on Nov 11, 2008 2:07:43 GMT -5
John was irresponsible for not telling Sarah about Cromartie coming over for a visit. In previous situations, he risked his own life to help others. In T2, he went to Pescadero and Dyson's house to save Sarah. In "Heavy Metal," he risked his life to prevent Skynet from acquiring the materials it needs to build Terminators. In "Queen's Gambit," he went to Charlie in order to save Derek. This time, he took a risk to cover up his own ass. Not telling Sarah about Cromartie benefited no one except for himself and put everyone else in danger.
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Post by terrasj on Nov 11, 2008 2:20:21 GMT -5
John really fraked things up this time. Not telling anyone about Cromartie's visit was just incredibly irresponsible. A little talk from Cameron is clearly not enough. They need to smack the stupid out of him. Cromartie isn't dead. They just smashed up his chip, it's not completely destroyed. A little duck tape and some crazy glue and it'll be as good as new. Miles Dyson managed to invent the neural net processor with only half of the original Terminator's chip as a template, Catherine could probably do a lot with just some of those pieces. Sarah busted that chip into fragments, and didn't stop even after she long broke the rifle stock right off... The chip stores his memories and personality. I think the chip's busted up for good. Cromartie's no more... Its one thing to study and reverse engineer a primitive proto-type neural-net cpu from the partial remains of a cpu chip which wasn't nearly as busted up as the remains of Cromartie's chip. Thats all Dyson did. He didn't restore / revive / bring back to life the original Arnie T-800 killer. We'll need a good high-def or clear screen-cap to find out whats left of it. The physical end of the chip with the brass slot pins would be the peice that has to be plugged in to power it up. Even if some power can be applied to it, I'd think what would be left (if anything) of Cromartie's persona and memories would be like severely fragmented. Alot of shredded data files, like a ceramic dish smashed into a thousand pieces on the floor... The ceramic dish having an intricate pattern on it. There'd be a sliver of a petal, shard of a leaf, etc... But hey, thats only my take on it. If by chance Cromartie gets ressurected, I'll owe you a karma point, and the writers had better have a darned good excuse or reason how he was brought back. Next episode they go back to unburry and smelt the remains with thermite. If they don't toss in the chip's pieces into that fire then you'll have a fair chance of having a comeback. (or lemme guess, Cromartie backs himself up digitally into a storage device daily?) |
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Post by t101 on Nov 11, 2008 2:23:44 GMT -5
I have a feeling Riley may yet end up dead. She knows too much and Cameron has killed for less. She won't do it for fear it would turn john away. But what if they break up, would Cameron come to tie loose ends while no one is watching? It's like her to do that.
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Post by sarah on Nov 11, 2008 2:33:09 GMT -5
A happy coincidence. But how many can they afford to pull? Yes and No, IMO. I don't think keeping John locked up in a closet (no matter how many times the location of the closet is changed) is a good idea neither for preserving his safety nor for building his character towards leadership. vicheron, it's very true that John's risks were selfless to start off with but have become increasingly selfish as he matures.  otoh, that's the difference between childhood and teenhood in a nutshell. the struggle for one's identity is more than just a cliche. *shrug* t101, i agree both on Ellison and on the possibility of Cameron cleaning up loose ends (Riley) once John eventually tires of her. So many intriguinging directions for the characters to go.... aceplace57, minority is probably about right but count me in with those who are pro-John/Riley. i don't see love there but i think it's healthy for John to find companionship beyond assassin cyborg, protective mother, and PTSD uncle.  Love them all, though! ;D |
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Post by traitorsgate on Nov 11, 2008 2:41:44 GMT -5
There seems to be a common thread through much of these posts that boils down to the rather simplistic notion that TSCC should essentially be about John & Sarah Connor, Derek Reese and Cameron. Anybody else that dares intrude on this intimate little gathering is automatically deemed a security risk. Frankly as irresponsible as John Connor's actions may appear they pale into insignificance compared to the havoc the others have left behind all in the name of dramatic effect. Running off to Mexico with a girl is certainly fraught with risk but so to is visiting the parents of the young man you later shoot dead in a bowling alley. At what point is everybody going to wake up to the fact that in reality the Connors would by now either be in Prison or dead at the hands of the LAPD and or the FBI.
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Post by sarah on Nov 11, 2008 2:46:28 GMT -5
Happily, I don't think John buys into that theory, traitorsgate. On the other hand, I don't think fans can help thinking this way since Sarah, Derek, and mostly Cameron have been drilling this notion into our heads since the beginning. *wry* ...But please don't be so hard on dramatic effect.  Maybe our action comes cheap sometimes but it's still not (IMO) brainless. And the Connors have been in prison, including the Reese boy. It's just a matter of time and luck. |
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otoh, that's the difference between childhood and teenhood in a nutshell. the struggle for one's identity is more than just a cliche. *shrug* 
Love them all, though! ;D
Maybe our action comes cheap sometimes but it's still not (IMO) brainless. And the Connors have been in prison, including the Reese boy. It's just a matter of time and luck.